Rodgers In/Out

[LestaAl]

It’s not like Sunday was the first time Brendan had failed to get the team ready mentally and indeed chosen the ‘correct’ players.

His failure to get us over the line for CL football -twice, has cost us millions and  poor performances are just draining the bank account further -result no money for new players and improved contracts.

 

If he leaves it will probably cost us £9-12 million in salary over the next 12 months. It will cost more if he stays and loses even more of the dressing room.

 

So it’s Out from  me and has been since the end of last season. The buck stops with the manager and he has had long enough now.

[LCCFox96]

I've calmed down from yesterday's shit show and I'm still Rodgers in, although I see his pre-match comments as a shit or bust move on his part. I'm in for the below:

 

- He's publicly identified something we all probably realised deep down - we need to freshen up the squad in the summer and make a few changes.

- He has credit in the bank from the FA Cup and Community Shield wins - although this credit is now depleted.

- He's had to contend with a horrific injury crisis and has not been able to name a first choice defence all season. 

- We are still in Europe (of sorts) and have a realistic enough chance of doing something there

- He's rolled the dice and called out the players in the media - unless there is massive dressing room unrest - so as a collective unit (manager and players) they get the opportunity to put that right.

 

I expect to see a response to the FA Cup exit in much better performances vs Liverpool and West Ham. Not great games to have but both are winnable and I want to feel a smidge of pride at what we turn out.

[Kilworthfox]

Still out. 

 

Have said it since Legia away. Yesterday was a continuation of all that's wrong with the first team. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

9 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

I suspect that while ManUre are sill looking for a new manager we wont get rid of BR for purely financial reasons as the potential compensation would outweigh the £20m pay off if we sacked him.

We are out of the cups and we are unlikely to finish Top6 so we wont gain much by firing him now....but we would save money if ManUre came in for him.

If Man U paid us anything to take him off our hands it would trump the Maguire deal. Would be hilarious.

[Lako42]

Man Utd will not touch him with a barge pole

[PhillippaT]

2 minutes ago, LCCFox96 said:

I've calmed down from yesterday's shit show and I'm still Rodgers in, although I see his pre-match comments as a shit or bust move on his part. I'm in for the below:

 

- He's publicly identified something we all probably realised deep down - we need to freshen up the squad in the summer and make a few changes.

- He has credit in the bank from the FA Cup and Community Shield wins - although this credit is now depleted.

- He's had to contend with a horrific injury crisis and has not been able to name a first choice defence all season. 

- We are still in Europe (of sorts) and have a realistic enough chance of doing something there

- He's rolled the dice and called out the players in the media - unless there is massive dressing room unrest - so as a collective unit (manager and players) they get the opportunity to put that right.

 

I expect to see a response to the FA Cup exit in much better performances vs Liverpool and West Ham. Not great games to have but both are winnable and I want to feel a smidge of pride at what we turn out.

This.  It's all about how they react to what just happened - yes, losing to Forest in the cup hurts, but the league is what matters more in the long run.  If they don't react, then it's obvious that Brendan has to go - he HAS to get a reaction from the players now to save his job, and I'm sure he'll be aware of that.  For this reason, I'm currently on the fence about him going or not atm, but will have a firm opinion after the next couple of matches at most...  He's basically on 'strike two' for me atm...

[Leicester_Loyal]

The reaction from the players was seemingly to go on the sesh last night, with a game coming up on Thursday

[sm1]

I've been out for a while, but that doesn't mean the players shouldn't come in for any criticism. I liked his post match comments, but now it's time to put his balls on the line. If Tielmans wont sign and is showing lack of desire, bench him. Hamza partying 4 days before a game, bring in Mendy and leave him out of the match squad. For me the team is a reflection of its manager. We're a cowardly team with no backbone. Now it's time for Brendan to show some courage. If he doesn't, then he's finished.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

It's time to go. 

[BlueSi13]

Yesterday was pure ego/reputation management from Rodgers with his post-match comments.

 

His reputation is sinking like a stone and nobody is knocking at the door anymore.  He needs someone else to blame.

 

Manchester United showed absolutely zero interest and instead went with a random German curveball.

 

Someone like Everton who are a bigger club with lots of money to spend didn't even leak his name to gauge fan reaction.  

 

The only reason he came here was to rebuild his managerial reputation in England and jump ship the first chance he got.  That ship has sailed.  

 

I don't even think Celtic would have him back so he can pad his record again.

 

The club needs an overhaul in coaching and playing personal, Rodgers needs to get out ASAP to salvage his big league career.  A parting of the ways would suit both parties splendidly.

 

[Tommy G]

Does anyone realistically think a Pep Guardiola for want of a better example could churn out better performances having Amartey and Soyunchu at the back? We have had a horrendous run of injuries including Justin and Fofana all season, our talisman Vardy also out for long periods. We are bedding in players like Daka with arguably our best player Tielemans not wanting to be here anymore. 

 

This all falls under the realms of a manager to ''manage'' but he isnt Harry Potter. He's won us the fa cup and weve been in eurpoe for the past two seasons. I'm not sure who is the best option out there at present to come into the club and do better. If someone can explain that whilst spuffing £15m on the exit packages of him and his team then please do. 

[SecretPro]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Does anyone realistically think a Pep Guardiola for want of a better example could churn out better performances having Amartey and Soyunchu at the back? We have had a horrendous run of injuries including Justin and Fofana all season, our talisman Vardy also out for long periods. We are bedding in players like Daka with arguably our best player Tielemans not wanting to be here anymore. 

 

This all falls under the realms of a manager to ''manage'' but he isnt Harry Potter. He's won us the fa cup and weve been in eurpoe for the past two seasons. I'm not sure who is the best option out there at present to come into the club and do better. If someone can explain that whilst spuffing £15m on the exit packages of him and his team then please do. 

Yes.

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, SecretPro said:

Yes.

Well thats just a matter of opinion, I personally don't think so and we arent swimming in the pool of Pep/Klopp/Tunchel anyway.

 

So give me a realistic alternative....

[lcfcsnow]

5 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Does anyone realistically think a Pep Guardiola for want of a better example could churn out better performances having Amartey and Soyunchu at the back?

He wouldn't keep persisting with the chuckle brothers. When they had injuries you often saw Fernandinho and Rodri at centre back, we should be doing the same with Ndidi.

[whetstonefox]

I think I’m still just about in, my biggest worry is that a new manager won’t get a bounce as the squad is lacking and too many want out. I’ll wait until we have something resembling a first choice defence. I think the last 2 years have sort of caught up with us, just hope this is a one off poor season rather than the start of a decline that’s ends up back in the middle of the championship

[Tommy G]

3 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said:

He wouldn't keep persisting with the chuckle brothers. When they had injuries you often saw Fernandinho and Rodri at centre back, we should be doing the same with Ndidi.

And who plays in Ndidi's position? He can do that at Man City becuase they have world class replacements for every position.

[Gubbins]

Part of me thinks that replacing him with almost anyone half competent at this point could turn the season around. Shakespeare is no manager at all but he at least got the team going again for a few months which is what we need really. Unfortunately I don't see an obvious candidate from amongst the current backroom staff. Absolutely no way we achieve anything in the euro comp or finish higher than 12th if we keep Rodgers though. Most of our points if we do will come purely through the opposition having off days.

[Royston.]

1 hour ago, Foxy-Lady said:

I suspect that while ManUre are sill looking for a new manager we wont get rid of BR for purely financial reasons as the potential compensation would outweigh the £20m pay off if we sacked him.

We are out of the cups and we are unlikely to finish Top6 so we wont gain much by firing him now....but we would save money if ManUre came in for him.

 

Its only an opinion and i might be massively wrong (I usually am!!) but in this instance, the timing of his departure might have huge financial implications for us......and i cant think of anyone available who we would want to replace him right now either which would present another compensation issue

This could cause more harm, we won't sack him for financial reasons but he has criticised his players (quite fairly) and if they weren't playing for him before it may give them reason not to.

[Number 6]

Yesterday showed a pattern that has been apparent under Rodgers time here. First 20 we looked neat and tidy and were dominating possession - I think at that point I was feeling confident that we would win. Then we concede a goal, not great but happens. What doesn't need to happen is the absolute brain fart for the next 10 minutes which effectively ends the game for us. There is a mental weakness which has underpinned us and prevented a really talented squad achieving even more remarkable things.

 

I am still on the fence however. I think he has showed sustained good performances over a long enough period of time for me to accept writing this season off. But he does need to demonstrate that he can turn the ship around before the end of the season. He said it himself, we have a rebuild to do - we need to be sure he is the right man to do it given that he seems to have been given a fair bit of power.

 

Also I look back at the last day defeat against Utd which prevented us getting top 4 - was their 11 better than ours? Really? I think there were obvious talents in their squad we lacked (Fernandes) but at the same time I think our team matched theirs on paper. And so it's easy to look at two 5ths and an FA Cup as overachieving, but it is without a doubt the best squad of players we have had in terms of talent.

 

Not knowing who would best take us forward also probably stops me voting Out. Gerrard is early days but looking like he would have been a great fit. Potter is often mooted and I'd be interested to see him with a better squad of players but Brighton are hardly tearing the league up. And my knowledge on up and coming foreign managers is probably lacking. Which leaves me in "better the devil you know" territory.

 

I don't think we will get dragged into a relegation scrap, and I don't think the top 7 spots will be there for us, but I just want to see a righting of the ship in the remaining months. Some passion, aggression, will to win, and mental strength. If we continue on this path then the league position will be irrelevant, he will have to go.

[SheppyFox]

There’s no need to justify why you want him out, he’s done that work for you. Nothing beyond reaching the conclusion that he is an idiot is necessary.

[Nalis]

2 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Out for the first time 

Same here

[Collibosher70]

31 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Does anyone realistically think a Pep Guardiola for want of a better example could churn out better performances having Amartey and Soyunchu at the back? We have had a horrendous run of injuries including Justin and Fofana all season, our talisman Vardy also out for long periods. We are bedding in players like Daka with arguably our best player Tielemans not wanting to be here anymore. 

 

This all falls under the realms of a manager to ''manage'' but he isnt Harry Potter. He's won us the fa cup and weve been in eurpoe for the past two seasons. I'm not sure who is the best option out there at present to come into the club and do better. If someone can explain that whilst spuffing £15m on the exit packages of him and his team then please do. 

I wish he was potter....sellus perezus...wooshhh and gone

[Ricey]

Out for me, whether it's now or the summer.

 

For me too many of our biggest problems are engrained. We have real psychological problems within this team (lack of mental resilience, lack of aggression, constant ability to panic when things get tense etc) and then some more tactical issues (lack of off-the-ball movement, disorganised defence, slow passing in possession, set-piece shit-show etc) that all come from the manager and his staff. They are reflections on him whether he likes it or not. The reason I can say that with confidence is because he's had plenty of time to resolve or improve those issues, but instead they are getting worse. There are some that have also followed him around at other clubs.

 

Can I see him turning this team in to a mentally resilient, hard-working, tough, aggressive team? No. Can I see him investing in the right players in the summer? Not based on the last couple of windows. Can I see him kicking life into slow passing, low pressing, disorganised team of individuals? No.

 

He's not a bad manager, but I do think the worst of him has really come to fore over the last 12 months. There will be a rebuild of sorts in the summer, so perhaps it's the perfect time for a new management team to come in and see if they can build on what Rodgers has done. 

 

It's went flat, it went stale and now it feels like it's turning toxic. The end feels near.

Edited 7 February 2022 by Ricey

[CosbehFox]

42 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Does anyone realistically think a Pep Guardiola for want of a better example could churn out better performances having Amartey and Soyunchu at the back? We have had a horrendous run of injuries including Justin and Fofana all season, our talisman Vardy also out for long periods. We are bedding in players like Daka with arguably our best player Tielemans not wanting to be here anymore. 

 

This all falls under the realms of a manager to ''manage'' but he isnt Harry Potter. He's won us the fa cup and weve been in eurpoe for the past two seasons. I'm not sure who is the best option out there at present to come into the club and do better. If someone can explain that whilst spuffing £15m on the exit packages of him and his team then please do. 

Guardiola would have sorted the set pieces issues. 

 

There's no defence for that oversight. Weirdly despite playing so poorly yesterday we'd have still be in the game with the ability to defend set pieces and crosses. 

 

As John Percy has pointed out, Forest's manager was questioned if they targeted LCFC pre-match on set pieces and the interviewer didn't even finish the question because of he was nodding like Churchill the Dog. 

 

He has a major blot on his career where he gets rid of personalities within squads. When he digs at players like he did yesterday, that's the squad he's built. That defence situation is partly his creation with the signing of Vestergaard

Edited 7 February 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[st albans fox]

Seems to have turned full circle ………