Levi Colwill

[Lambert09]

31 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I wouldn’t call it stupidity, I’d call it a calculated gamble. There’s no guarantee he’ll fulfill his potential … could even get a serious injury or get in trouble with the law… be a disruptive influence…  anything can happen in 5 years. Chelsea have so many youngsters they can afford to sell a few to fund their first team  endeavors.

you know, i can see how this could be about colwill (as it is in his thread) but I was actually talking about barcelona selling their tv rights for the next 5 years 

[MPH]

12 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

you know, i can see how this could be about colwill (as it is in his thread) but I was actually talking about barcelona selling their tv rights for the next 5 years 

 Oh rightup haha .don’t mind me!

[jayfox26]

9 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I thought they’d effectively mortgaged the club?

As in, they are spending money NOW that they will accrue over the next few years.

Apparently they are being transparent over this. It’s no secret

The issue is more along the lines of whether you think this SHOULD happen in football? But then, a lot of things happen in football that blur the boundaries don’t they,

FFP rules are different in different leagues which doesn't really make it a fair playing field across Europe. There is no way we could get away with doing what Barce have done plus our owners would never take that risk anyway and nor should they given it puts the financial future of the club at huge risk. Clubs like Barce and Real can keep spending what they want and they will always get baled out. Makes me laugh that they have been slating PSG and Man City when they are the worst for dodgy finances. Not forgetting they were and still are the ones banging the drum for the ESL. Great clubs bur horrendous people running them! 

[notnow john]

Sorry not about Colwell, just to clarify the Barcelona situation,

Last week they sold a further fifteen per cent of their tv rights  for the next 25 years to U.S. company Sixth street.

This increases the investment house stake to 25%!

They seem to be banking on a renaissance of the European super league.

[Dahnsouff]

26 minutes ago, notnow john said:

Sorry not about Colwell, just to clarify the Barcelona situation,

Last week they sold a further fifteen per cent of their tv rights  for the next 25 years to U.S. company Sixth street.

This increases the investment house stake to 25%!

They seem to be banking on a renaissance of the European super league.

There is also talk of them pulling their third lever which involves selling a percentage of future merchandising. This is madness, and for a club run by socio's (Those are fans who buy tokens to own part of the club, not a bunch of nutters) it seems unbelievable that they would so readily sell their future to continue this disgusting push for big name transfers.

[JimJams]

1 hour ago, jayfox26 said:

...Real can keep spending what they want and they will always get baled out...

Nah, he's gone to the MLS now.

[JimJams]

1 hour ago, jayfox26 said:

 

Double post goodness...

Edited 25 July 2022 by JimJams

[StriderHiryu]

Regarding Colwill after seeing our preseason performances, I don't think we need him. He'd be nice to have sure, But with Fofana and Evans, and Soyuncu, Amartey and Vestergaard on the bench, it's enough cover, even if not the best. If we do sell any of the latter three then OK, let's make the move.

 

But as it stands would far rather we signed Borigeaud of Rennes or Madueke of PSV, those players have the potential to take the team to another level.

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, StriderHiryu said:

Regarding Colwill after seeing our preseason performances, I don't think we need him. He'd be nice to have sure, But with Fofana and Evans, and Soyuncu, Amartey and Vestergaard on the bench, it's enough cover, even if not the best. If we do sell any of the latter three then OK, let's make the move.

 

But as it stands would far rather we signed Borigeaud of Rennes or Madueke of PSV, those players have the potential to take the team to another level.

I’d be satisfied with this. 
 

Potentially let Praet go along with Soumare and Hamza. Keep Mendy and bring in BB as a central midfield cover, and then potentially sell Perez and go all out for Noni on deadline day. 

[Diffco]

If Vesty goes that may pay for Lookman potentially (need cover for Barnes). Madueke may be signed without selling anyone else (I have my fingers crossed Youri stays) 

 

However if for some reason no RW is signed then Callum Wright may do a good job there, he's looked pretty dangerous in preseason 

[StriderHiryu]

16 minutes ago, Diffco said:

If Vesty goes that may pay for Lookman potentially (need cover for Barnes). Madueke may be signed without selling anyone else (I have my fingers crossed Youri stays) 

 

However if for some reason no RW is signed then Callum Wright may do a good job there, he's looked pretty dangerous in preseason 

I feel it would be a mistake to not to bring in Lookman. Great squad option to have, especially with 5 subs allowed. 

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Regarding Colwill after seeing our preseason performances, I don't think we need him. He'd be nice to have sure, But with Fofana and Evans, and Soyuncu, Amartey and Vestergaard on the bench, it's enough cover, even if not the best. If we do sell any of the latter three then OK, let's make the move.

 

But as it stands would far rather we signed Borigeaud of Rennes or Madueke of PSV, those players have the potential to take the team to another level.

What about when he's not available next year and we lose Evans and Soy. Surely we need to get back to being proactive and not getting ourselves into tough situations and constantly trying to correct?

[RowlattsFox]

With no European football I think we need to sell 2 Centre backs to make this move. Probably Soyuncu and Vestergaard, leaving Amartey as 4th choice. 

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

I feel it would be a mistake to not to bring in Lookman. Great squad option to have, especially with 5 subs allowed. 

 

He'd be something like my fourth or fifth choice signing, if not lower, to be honest.

 

There's a little bit of just loyalty and sentiment attached to the prospect of signing Lookman, really, isn't there? It feels partially like he's "one of ours" because he's already done a season here. I'm not sure he adds a great deal to the team, especially given the manager isn't even entirely sold on him. When he spent large parts of last year unable to dislodge Albrighton and Perez from the starting line up then you do have to question what the point of bringing him back is if we're keeping the same manager (which is the assumption.)

 

He was better than Under, definitely, and I agree he'd be a good "squad option." As I've said before, he's definitely the calibre of player that a club of our size SHOULD have on the bench. But when we lack a first choice right winger, have very little depth in the centre of the park, have questionable depth at centre back with players due to leave and the need to find a starting goalkeeper at some point in the next year, having backup to Barnes (which is definitely where Lookman is best served) doesn't feel like a high priority.

 

If we find ourselves having some cash spare to pad out the bench then I'd probably rather 8m went on Bourigeaud than potentially double that went on Lookman, to be honest. Not that I feel a club ever SHOULD be signing players to fill the bench but I accept a certain amount of pragmatism is important for a club in our financial situation, we clearly can't afford for every signing to be an improvement on the starting eleven right now.

[Diffco]

14 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

He'd be something like my fourth or fifth choice signing, if not lower, to be honest.

 

There's a little bit of just loyalty and sentiment attached to the prospect of signing Lookman, really, isn't there? It feels partially like he's "one of ours" because he's already done a season here. I'm not sure he adds a great deal to the team, especially given the manager isn't even entirely sold on him. When he spent large parts of last year unable to dislodge Albrighton and Perez from the starting line up then you do have to question what the point of bringing him back is if we're keeping the same manager (which is the assumption.)

 

He was better than Under, definitely, and I agree he'd be a good "squad option." As I've said before, he's definitely the calibre of player that a club of our size SHOULD have on the bench. But when we lack a first choice right winger, have very little depth in the centre of the park, have questionable depth at centre back with players due to leave and the need to find a starting goalkeeper at some point in the next year, having backup to Barnes (which is definitely where Lookman is best served) doesn't feel like a high priority.

 

If we find ourselves having some cash spare to pad out the bench then I'd probably rather 8m went on Bourigeaud than potentially double that went on Lookman, to be honest. Not that I feel a club ever SHOULD be signing players to fill the bench but I accept a certain amount of pragmatism is important for a club in our financial situation, we clearly can't afford for every signing to be an improvement on the starting eleven right now.

Yeah but he's not a RW, clearly he was awful in that position. He's LW, effective there too and a good relatively cheap alternative to rotate with Barnes. We only have Barnes as LW at present 

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Regarding Colwill after seeing our preseason performances, I don't think we need him. He'd be nice to have sure, But with Fofana and Evans, and Soyuncu, Amartey and Vestergaard on the bench, it's enough cover, even if not the best. If we do sell any of the latter three then OK, let's make the move.

 

But as it stands would far rather we signed Borigeaud of Rennes or Madueke of PSV, those players have the potential to take the team to another level.

Personally disagree. We’ve seen them three at times last season and their errors.
 

Evans won’t have a season injury free. Colwill represents giving a young player chance to bed in for a season and then eventually take Fofana/Evans place next season. 
 

That said I don’t think the move happens without us letting go one of the back up three. 
 

We need to go back to long term strategy when signing players

Edited 25 July 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[Richard]

We need to get rid of 2 of Vestergaard, Amartey and Soyuncu for this to happen most likely. 

[An Sionnach]

13 minutes ago, Richard said:

We need to get rid of 2 of Vestergaard, Amartey and Soyuncu for this to happen most likely. 

We won't be exchanging three experienced PL defenders to fund the purchase of a 19 y. o. inexperienced player. We have Lewis Brunt if we want to give a younger player a chance.

[Finnegan]

28 minutes ago, Diffco said:

Yeah but he's not a RW, clearly he was awful in that position. He's LW, effective there too and a good relatively cheap alternative to rotate with Barnes. We only have Barnes as LW at present 

 

I don't disagree with any of that. 

 

I'm saying that a back up left winger is a low priority for us when you consider the rest of the squad and the fact that we aren't likely to see many new signings this year. 

 

Especially given that, when we first signed Lookman, most of us thought potential fee of about 15m sounded cheap. Where as now I think the context has changed slightly and, to be honest, I'd say that now sounds a little bit more than he's probably worth given fees have dropped in general this window, lots of players are moving around for free, we don't have a great deal to spend and we're really having to juggle the assets we already have under contract. 

 

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

We won't be exchanging three experienced PL defenders to fund the purchase of a 19 y. o. inexperienced player. We have Lewis Brunt if we want to give a younger player a chance.

That’s 21 yr old Lewis Brunt who couldn’t get a game for Gloucester compared to Levi Colwill whose England under 21 capped and had a season of second tier football. Throw in Brunt counts to the PL squad as erll

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Regarding Colwill after seeing our preseason performances, I don't think we need him. He'd be nice to have sure, But with Fofana and Evans, and Soyuncu, Amartey and Vestergaard on the bench, it's enough cover, even if not the best. If we do sell any of the latter three then OK, let's make the move.

 

But as it stands would far rather we signed Borigeaud of Rennes or Madueke of PSV, those players have the potential to take the team to another level.

Numbers wise we don't really need another CB, especially as we don't have Europe this year. Though I'd very happily ship out Vestergaard for Colwill as he is certainly one for the future.

 

We are forgetting a bit that JJ is very capable of playing in a back 3 as is Castagne.

[Dan]

Palace's summer 2021 might be talked about the way we talk about the summer of 2018 in terms of transfer business. It took a while for ours to bear real fruit too but it did do and theirs looks promising. It's not that they're a better team than us right now. More the direction of travel.

 

I'm not actually totally sold on Vieira yet. Hasn't done badly but nothing too special.

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

We are forgetting a bit that JJ is very capable of playing in a back 3 as is Castagne.

 

Yeah but unfortunately Rodgers is utterly abysmal at coaching an attacking 352. He's shown no evidence of understanding the patterns of play necessary to make that work in a creative sense.

[Dan]

13 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

It’s not corruption, it’s just stupidity. 

 

in theory what they are selling something that is worth 10m today for 10m. But the catch is that this is for something 5-7 years in the future, where with the expected inflation the product will actually be worth 35m. 

 

Essentially giving away tomorrows money for a fraction of what it’s worth because they need cash now. 

 

yes it’s transparent…. but it’s borderline insane. If they don’t get these deals correct (and they won’t) they will be the first super power to go bust. 

I'm convinced they'll never fully go bust. There's always a safety net once you hit a certain size.

 

What is quite something though is that the signings they've made hardly look like a side planning for the future. It's just more short-termism.

 

Quite incredible what a joke of a club they are now mind. Mes que un club  

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Looked at the Chelsea forum at the Levi thread and they say he's been injured in2 of the 3 pre-season games and was also injured the majority of the time he was on loan.

He's 19 years old and even if he was at Leicester he still needs another loan spell in the championship for 2 years at least to gain valuable experience as a defender.