Rudkin

[Jimmy]

7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We have a huge gulf in what the majority of this squad will be on wages wise once back in the Prem and what a new wage structure needs to be. With our inability to sell, I don't see how this gets rectified quickly, so we have the issue of either continuing to pay our new recruits what the rest are on, or struggle to recruit because they have to sign on terms far less than players we have that we don't even want.

 

We've made our bed.

how many of the players we don't want are out of contract this summer? Just Praet? From memory Vardy, Albrighton, Iheanacho, Ndidi and Praet are out of contract with Hamza renewed and Smithies retired, Thomas has a club option we have yet to take up for next season too

[lcfcbluearmy]

58 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We have a huge gulf in what the majority of this squad will be on wages wise once back in the Prem and what a new wage structure needs to be. With our inability to sell, I don't see how this gets rectified quickly, so we have the issue of either continuing to pay our new recruits what the rest are on, or struggle to recruit because they have to sign on terms far less than players we have that we don't even want.

 

We've made our bed.

Surely they will have all taken a wage cut when we got relegated and won't automatically go back to what they were on previously when we get promoted.

 

I'm not disagreeing that we have a huge problem just think the extra income from promotion might soften the blow this summer. But if we still can't sell anyone the Jan and following summer are where we will see we are once again unable to buy and having to sell

[lcfc_forever]

Article by Tanner publishing why the Sensi deal didn't get agreed:

https://theathletic.com/5247333/2024/02/02/leicester-inter-stefano-sensi/

 

Quick summary

• Inter were reluctant to do a deal which meant they got no money when Sensi became a free agent, and looked into a contract extension with a sale to protect their interest (that was reported in the Italian media). We couldn't afford a payment due to FFP so couldn't just buy him. 
• Contract extension seemed to be the solution arrived at but meant the deal was more complicated
• We pushed to sign him as Maresca was keen, but we were being particularly careful to avoid FFP issues
• The deal then got bogged down with the lawyers, Inter took longer than expected but we gave them extra time
• Problem then was when we then got the term sheet, Leicester's document in response was longer due to EFL requirements 
• Their lawyers were surprised by the length of it and then had amendments but there wasn't enough time for Leicester's lawyers to review them 

Sounds like a mess but issues on both sides. Not a Rudkin fan by any means - he should have gone for what happened the previous season and the legacy of FFP issues is from his stewardship - but there was more to this. 

 

The big problem I think was our expectations were heightened by the likes of Romano when it's clear there wasn't a deal in place, and it took the deadline day for both parties to give ground and try to get this over the line. But then the legal issues scuppered it. 

Edited 2 February by lcfc_forever

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 minute ago, lcfc_forever said:

Article by Tanner publishing why the Sensi deal didn't get agreed:

https://theathletic.com/5247333/2024/02/02/leicester-inter-stefano-sensi/

 

Quick summary

• Inter were reluctant to do a deal which meant they got no money when Sensi became a free agent, and looked into a contract extension with a sale to protect their interest (that was reported in the Italian media). We couldn't afford a payment due to FFP so couldn't just buy him. 
• Contract extension seemed to be the solution arrived at but meant the deal was more complicated
• We pushed to sign him as Maresca was keen, but we were being particularly careful to avoid FFP issues
• The deal then got bogged down with the lawyers, Inter took longer than expected but we gave them extra time
• Problem then was when we then got the term sheet, Leicester's document in response was longer due to EFL requirements 
• Their lawyers were surprised by the length of it and then had amendments but there wasn't enough time for Leicester's lawyers to review them 

Sounds like a mess but issues on both sides. Not a Rudkin fan by any means - he should have gone for what happened the previous season - but there was more to this. 

 

The big problem I think was our expectations were heightened by the likes of Romano when it's clear there wasn't a deal in place, and it took the deadline day for both parties to give ground and try to get this over the line. But then the legal issues scuppered it. 

Or this is the narrative the club are peddling to Tanner to try and absolve blame. 

[lcfc_forever]

Just now, Claudio Fannieri said:

Or this is the narrative the club are peddling to Tanner to try and absolve blame. 

Yeah, I suspect there's a bit of that. But even in this narrative, the club don't come out this particularly well. 

 

And the FFP problems are a legacy of Rudkin's stewardship. 

[Jimmy]

they had an entire month so running out of time is not an excuse

[Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Or this is the narrative the club are peddling to Tanner to try and absolve blame. 

Or just do the deal earlier to allow for more time?

[lcfc_forever]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

they had an entire month so running out of time is not an excuse

But Inter preferred a deal with a transfer fee that we couldn't afford, and it wasn't until deadline day there was no other option. 

 

The question is whether they should have switched to a different target where a deal was more likely. 

Edited 2 February by lcfc_forever

[Unabomber]

Anyone defending him is either related to him or insane 

[Jimmy]

7 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

But Inter preferred a deal with a transfer fee that we couldn't afford, and it wasn't until deadline day there was no other option. 

 

The question is whether they should have switched to a different target where a deal was more likely. 

they were clearly willing to alter the deal so the club should have assume we wouldn't sell anyone and got it done that way, iv we then sold someone great

[lcfc_forever]

1 minute ago, Jimmy said:

they were clearly willing to alter the deal so the club should have assume we wouldn't sell anyone and got it done that way, iv we then sold someone great

Not while they thought they could get a transfer fee. 

 

There is so much to hammer Rudkin on - there is no excuse for what happened the previous season - but not sure the mess here is at his door. 

[JimmyC74]

The Sensi deal was embarrassing but I think the bigger concern is perhaps our ability in the Summer to prepare properly for a season in the Premier.  

 

We have struggled to sell the fringe players we don't want, we have a number out of contract who need replacing and we don't seem to have a lot of elbow room to manoeuvre with FFP.  

 

Rudders, Glover and Co will need to earn their salaries this Summer, wheel and deal, find a few gems and give Enzo a squad he wants.  But this month doesn't fill you with confidence.

 

Anyway time to focus on the here and now to winning promotion. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

Article by Tanner publishing why the Sensi deal didn't get agreed:

https://theathletic.com/5247333/2024/02/02/leicester-inter-stefano-sensi/

 

Quick summary

• Inter were reluctant to do a deal which meant they got no money when Sensi became a free agent, and looked into a contract extension with a sale to protect their interest (that was reported in the Italian media). We couldn't afford a payment due to FFP so couldn't just buy him. 
• Contract extension seemed to be the solution arrived at but meant the deal was more complicated
• We pushed to sign him as Maresca was keen, but we were being particularly careful to avoid FFP issues
• The deal then got bogged down with the lawyers, Inter took longer than expected but we gave them extra time
• Problem then was when we then got the term sheet, Leicester's document in response was longer due to EFL requirements 
• Their lawyers were surprised by the length of it and then had amendments but there wasn't enough time for Leicester's lawyers to review them 

Sounds like a mess but issues on both sides. Not a Rudkin fan by any means - he should have gone for what happened the previous season and the legacy of FFP issues is from his stewardship - but there was more to this. 

 

The big problem I think was our expectations were heightened by the likes of Romano when it's clear there wasn't a deal in place, and it took the deadline day for both parties to give ground and try to get this over the line. But then the legal issues scuppered it. 

Yes complicated but why did we leave it until the last day if we knew there were going to be more complications.

 

Or even if we didn't know for sure we should have assumed there might be when we knew they were having to do a contract extension

[An Away Move]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

Article by Tanner publishing why the Sensi deal didn't get agreed:

https://theathletic.com/5247333/2024/02/02/leicester-inter-stefano-sensi/

 

Quick summary

• Inter were reluctant to do a deal which meant they got no money when Sensi became a free agent, and looked into a contract extension with a sale to protect their interest (that was reported in the Italian media). We couldn't afford a payment due to FFP so couldn't just buy him. 
• Contract extension seemed to be the solution arrived at but meant the deal was more complicated
• We pushed to sign him as Maresca was keen, but we were being particularly careful to avoid FFP issues
• The deal then got bogged down with the lawyers, Inter took longer than expected but we gave them extra time
• Problem then was when we then got the term sheet, Leicester's document in response was longer due to EFL requirements 
• Their lawyers were surprised by the length of it and then had amendments but there wasn't enough time for Leicester's lawyers to review them 

Sounds like a mess but issues on both sides. Not a Rudkin fan by any means - he should have gone for what happened the previous season and the legacy of FFP issues is from his stewardship - but there was more to this. 

 

The big problem I think was our expectations were heightened by the likes of Romano when it's clear there wasn't a deal in place, and it took the deadline day for both parties to give ground and try to get this over the line. But then the legal issues scuppered it. 

A rational person would say that the collapse of the deal was not Rudkin’s fault then. 

[Pita]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

Article by Tanner publishing why the Sensi deal didn't get agreed:

https://theathletic.com/5247333/2024/02/02/leicester-inter-stefano-sensi/

 

Quick summary

• Inter were reluctant to do a deal which meant they got no money when Sensi became a free agent, and looked into a contract extension with a sale to protect their interest (that was reported in the Italian media). We couldn't afford a payment due to FFP so couldn't just buy him. 
• Contract extension seemed to be the solution arrived at but meant the deal was more complicated
• We pushed to sign him as Maresca was keen, but we were being particularly careful to avoid FFP issues
• The deal then got bogged down with the lawyers, Inter took longer than expected but we gave them extra time
• Problem then was when we then got the term sheet, Leicester's document in response was longer due to EFL requirements 
• Their lawyers were surprised by the length of it and then had amendments but there wasn't enough time for Leicester's lawyers to review them 

Sounds like a mess but issues on both sides. Not a Rudkin fan by any means - he should have gone for what happened the previous season and the legacy of FFP issues is from his stewardship - but there was more to this. 

 

The big problem I think was our expectations were heightened by the likes of Romano when it's clear there wasn't a deal in place, and it took the deadline day for both parties to give ground and try to get this over the line. But then the legal issues scuppered it. 

But this has been going on for 10 days running out of time is no excuse just poor management 

[majaco]

Any toxicity in this thread?

 

I can't be bothered to search for it but @Finneganposted a bit of common sense about this.

 

We have had some poor windows under Rudkin.  But he was around around when we won the league.   And the cup.

 

Some of  the opinions are so over the top.  It's uncomfortable to read.   Imo, not signing Sensi and a backup player returning to their club is not a disaster. 

 

Perhaps Rudkin should move on.  Any replacement would have an element of risk.   Our season is going well.   Our top of the league team is being heckled by some fans. 

 

Bit of over reaction imo

 

 

[iancognito]

It needs a line drawing under it.

 

Is Rudkin a clown? Yes. Out of his depth? Also yes? Does protesting, moaning or holding up banners get us anywhere? No.

We need to be fully focused on backing the team and Enzo and getting us over the line. That's all that matters for the next 4 months. Rudkin - protests or not - is going nowhere so it's a waste of effort to try and get that to change.

[moseeds]

5 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

 

Before relegation we were on the brink re FFP/PSR weren't we. Victims of having to pay over the odds to attract players and compete with bigger clubs who can afford better players but also pay less for similar targets.

 

Sorting out that mess upon relegation was always going to be a huge job and it isn't complete yet. We still have a number of players who are drawing decent wages but are surplus to requirements: Ward, Iversen, Thomas, Souttar for starters. Then there are other big earners who could end up leaving in the summer, including Vardy, Albrighton, Iheanacho, Ndidi, Daka.

 

The summer should be another reset and help us meet those FFP/PSR objectives, but we're also going to need to take some sort of risks paying relatively high transfer fees and wages to be competitive and help avoid relegation. Even if we keep some of the high earners (those who aren't deadwood) above, we're still going to need to spend.

 

So, there should be more wriggle room and we'll be able to spend in the summer, but we may still be in a similar position as now next Jan - that's my prediction anyway 

Unfortunately the conditions that lead to flying too close to the FFP Sun haven't changed. Tottenham have tripled their revenues without dramatically changing their wage to revenue percentage. Leicester will increase their wage to revenue percentage again without any hope of dramatically boosting revenue since the last PL season.

 

Either FFP becomes very 'dynamic' and therefore meaningless or causes several lawsuits from mid-tier prem teams. There are a lot of wealthy egos out there quite happy to bleed the Premier League legal department dry. The premier league won't allow brand PL to be tainted like Series A did for example. So fully expect FFP to become diluted in the next few seasons.

[FoxFossil]

As H said on the BSLB pod, if Rudkin is so great, and we won the league and Cup under him, why has no one tried to sign him?? A serious number of senior technical staff have been head hunted and left, but not Rudkin. 

Perhaps if he hadn't been away for days at Tops wedding then the Sensi deal would have got done. No wonder Enzo is pissed off, and will piss off. The question is when.

[Dan LCFC]

8 hours ago, AjcW said:

It’s actually the exact opposite crowd to the style of play…. They’ll be the ones supporting Rudkin….

I genuinely don't think a lot of them could point him out in a photo.

[iancognito]

6 hours ago, FoxFossil said:

As H said on the BSLB pod, if Rudkin is so great, and we won the league and Cup under him, why has no one tried to sign him?? A serious number of senior technical staff have been head hunted and left, but not Rudkin. 

Perhaps if he hadn't been away for days at Tops wedding then the Sensi deal would have got done. No wonder Enzo is pissed off, and will piss off. The question is when.

Probably gave himself a massive pay rise at the same time as he was sorting out contracts for our deadwood. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's on a better deal than some Championship managers.

[Daggers]

13 hours ago, An Away Move said:

99% of the people calling for Rudkin’s head have no idea what he does or the restrictions the club faces. It’s just a rabid mob with no clue. Same crowd who are unhappy with Enzo’s style of play whilst we top the league and break records on our way back to the Prem. 

Thank you for your comment, Mrs Rudkin, but you are completely wrong. 
 

I love Enzo’s style of play and yet think your husband is some kind of special moron to be able to consistently achieve a sub50% success rate on signings and below value on sales. 
 

He is to the football side what Big Sooz is to alienating and ripping off fans on the business side. 
 

Bet you were warning everyone to be careful what they wished for and wanted Rodgers to stay. 
 

Yours,

Rudki Nout

[Daggers]

7 hours ago, An Away Move said:

A rational person would say that the collapse of the deal was not Rudkin’s fault then. 

A rational person would say that (at the very best) flying to Thailand and back during the window looks incredibly bad for a DoF who massively fvcked up last season and would have been booted from any other club. 
 

It’s almost like it was done on purpose because the attitude was “You’re at the top of the league with this squad, we don’t need to replace the midfielder we lost”.

[Aus Fox]

7 hours ago, majaco said:

Any toxicity in this thread?

 

I can't be bothered to search for it but @Finneganposted a bit of common sense about this.

 

We have had some poor windows under Rudkin.  But he was around around when we won the league.   And the cup.

 

Some of  the opinions are so over the top.  It's uncomfortable to read.   Imo, not signing Sensi and a backup player returning to their club is not a disaster. 

 

Perhaps Rudkin should move on.  Any replacement would have an element of risk.   Our season is going well.   Our top of the league team is being heckled by some fans. 

 

Bit of over reaction imo

 

 

Time will tell if this window was a disaster or not, what I do know is twice in the PL when we were in the position to get Champions League football, we failed to strengthen the side in January and we missed out.

We’ve again failed to strengthen, and with Ndidi injured and Casadei returning we are weaker in a critical area. 
I get money isn’t available due to FFP, but again we come back to the failure to move on players who are not required or who could be replaced cheaper. 
It’s disappointing and it’s a regular occurrence in the transfer market.

[5waller5]

I’m left speechless by the increasingly bizarre defence offered for Rudkin. 
 

The latest being: We ran out of time so that’s not his fault!!!!