EFL Officiating Abomination Journal 23/24

[Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

It is not in the EFL’s interests and indeed would massively mock the league if we were to romp it this season. Especially with the mass changes we’ve had and overhaul in style. 
 

This won’t be the last time this season the officials make SEVERAL decisions in one game that have impacts on the result. 
 

There is no doubt, whatsoever, that the officials yesterday managed that game with a clear agenda. Anyone saying otherwise is either a Hull fan or needs to give their head a wobble.

 

While we didn’t deserve to win it through our inept finishing and ability to create CLEAR CUT chances, we certainly didn’t deserve to lose it.

 

Hull were awful and unbelievably dirty. 

 

It should be investigated but I don’t think the club will push for it, what would we gain? 

If enough fuss is made publically it can trigger a change in future games.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

Been saying this too, it happens every time, although I think 3 minutes would've been mental even before these rules. One of those decisions that was so bad it's impossible.

This is it, even before that'd be at least 5 for 8 subs (4 minutes) and the head injury. There's no way that 3 minutes was anything other than the ref seeing them starting to just hang on and making sure they did so

[davieG]

36 minutes ago, Arkie Bennett said:

If we were weren't trying to score (see last season's Arsenal match) that point might have some mileage. If the ref doesn't allow the correct amount of time, and gets it significantly wrong as he did yesterday, then he absolutely does have an impact by limiting the time available to score. Hull are generally abysmal at playing out from the back, but he repeatedly allowed them all the time they wanted to get themselves organised and restrict our time with the ball.

We had plenty of time to score but didn't look like we were ever going to that wasn't down to the ref who was very poor.

[fazzyfox]

I would say that Premier League games factor in VAR checks too so are likely to be longer but it sounds like yesterday was deserving of so much more, every time he warns a Hull player for time wasting he’s admitting that they’re not within the threshold of reasonability so he can’t deny it wasn’t that sort of game where excessive time wasting occurred so he’s really contradicting himself there. I don’t know what the dialogue between our bench and the 4th official was throughout the game but you’d think he’d have been well aware of our frustration at the unravelling true narrative of the match beyond the score.

[Arkie Bennett]

42 minutes ago, davieG said:

We had plenty of time to score but didn't look like we were ever going to that wasn't down to the ref who was very poor.

We didn't look like scoring every time we attacked or anything, but we did have a couple of reasonable opportunities, including hitting the post. No-one can say with certainty that we would or wouldn't have scored had we not been denied a realistic period of additional time. By extension of your point, there's no need to add additional time if someone decides the scoreline won't change anyway.

[David Hankey]

I've been saying it for years. What the game needs is an independent Official Timekeeper and take the ludicrous situation that we see nowadays out of the hands of match officials.

[st albans fox]

There were five sub breaks during the second half ( one multiple ) 

it would seem that he added 30 seconds for each of these and a further 30 seconds for the head injury stoppage. 
 

and that’s it 

 

as I continue to muse, officials have likely been told not to add on time for time wasting to avoid added time reaching double figures (assuming there isn’t a prolonged injury issue) 

 

Yesterday’s 3 minutes confirmed that officials are automations with little in the way of common sense or brains - well mr bushby most certainly is 

[HitchinFox]

On 02/09/2023 at 20:26, Bert said:

The ref was an absolute disgrace today. You could tell just how arrogant he was. Wouldn’t speak to them just kept telling them to go away.
 

You gauge a lot from the players reactions as well. Winks was furious with him twice, nearly every single player went over at full time to complain and hardly any of them shook his hand. 

It was telling that the players with Premier League experience were either furious or stood there with a "wtf" face on them. Those who had spent their careers in Championship or below (Hull players) just walked away with a shrug when a decision didn't go their way. We've simply got to get used to this level of officiating. 

I blame George Elek. 

[Bert]

I just cannot stand how arrogant they all are. How protected they are and how they don’t have to come out and face the music. It’s pathetic. They’re an absolute disgrace and want to make it all about them. 

[jayfox26]

On 02/09/2023 at 21:00, Drink Water said:

Did anyone notice how that player dived when Winks was so far from him and then Winks went to the player and told him off and called him a liar for falling for no reason. Then the ref gave a yellow to Winks because he called the other guy a cheat for falling for no reason...

 

That yellow was ridiculous. If you can't give the opposition some verbal abuse when they are blatantly cheating then the games gone. Winks didn't touch him or anything just gave him a piece of his mind. Stupid yellow by a stupid referee 

[HighPeakFox]

You're all welcome to accuse the officials of being corrupt.

 

So long as you accept the equal right of others to suggest you might be a teensy weensy bit paranoid.

[jayfox26]

2 minutes ago, Bert said:

I just cannot stand how arrogant they all are. How protected they are and how they don’t have to come out and face the music. It’s pathetic. They’re an absolute disgrace and want to make it all about them. 

Yeh its got worse. The fa and pgmol are always banging on about respect for refs but it works both ways. I don't condone the likes of Fernandes screaming in refs faces for every tiny decision but players should be able to have a word with the ref, especially the captain but now, like you say, they are so arrogant and won't consider talking or listening to any players. The ref yesterday was a joke. I don't think he really had a huge influence on the result as we were poor but what seem like small decisions like yellow cards or failing to produce yellows, clamping down on cheating/diving and time wasting can have a huge impact over the course of a game. Winks could easily have ended up sent off yesterday as he lost his head through sheer incompetence from the referee

[Wymsey]

Think clubs should club together and make a stance on bad refereeing situations against them somehow towards the FA.

[Lillehamring]

On 02/09/2023 at 21:35, The Doctor said:

Nah, 2, 3 and 5 booked from the backline, plus 20 in midfield before that. 

 

Honestly though, how 5 didn't get a second yellow for every single goal kick wasting 30 seconds makes a mockery of the whole "yellow for timewasting" rule

But he definitely carded someone after Greaves committed a foul, who/what was that?

[Lillehamring]

23 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

There were 8 players substituted but not separately. I don’t believe they just allocate 30 seconds now, it’s meant to be the time actually taken.

The ref may have been shite but do you seriously think he should add 90 seconds when we subbed three at the same time?

But three coming on don't all come on at once, they do one at a time because of the board, so it could easily have been a minute and a half.

[Lillehamring]

8 hours ago, davieG said:

Corrupt or not we lost that game through inability to score the ref had very little if any impact on that. If he was corrupt, by us not scoring gave him the chance to be corrupt. 

Whilst there is an element of truth in this, we've seen 9+ minutes added in games this season, given how strong we've been in the closing parts of games, denying us that time has a significant impact on our legitimate opportunity to have got something.

 

It's not like it was 7 or 8 minutes, it was 3, it's so obviously erroneous, that even had it been all square and both teams settled for a point, it should be looked at.

[Lillehamring]

7 hours ago, davieG said:

We had plenty of time to score but didn't look like we were ever going to that wasn't down to the ref who was very poor.

We had 7 shots after the 80 minute mark, had we had another, say 6 minutes, we could conceivably have generated a 2 or 3 more shots, and they were weakening by the minute, so there was always a chance. 

 

[marbles]

4 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

That yellow was ridiculous. If you can't give the opposition some verbal abuse when they are blatantly cheating then the games gone. Winks didn't touch him or anything just gave him a piece of his mind. Stupid yellow by a stupid referee 

Could be wrong, but I think the yellow was for the abuse Winks have the ref - not what was said to the opposing player.

[cruzFOX]

Refs really have lost the plot. No clue what they are doing out there imo.every day there is some drama

[The Doctor]

5 hours ago, Lillehamring said:

But he definitely carded someone after Greaves committed a foul, who/what was that?

When? He carded #5 for pulling down Iheanacho, Coyle for pulling down McAteer, Delap for a tackle from behind on Nacho in the first half, then second half Vinagre was booked (for what I can't remember), then Greaves was booked. 

[Winchesterfox]

The decision to only add on three minutes was incompetent rather than corrupt.  These things even themselves out over a season, and at least we don't have VAR ruining every goal celebration.   

[davieG]

8 hours ago, Lillehamring said:

Whilst there is an element of truth in this, we've seen 9+ minutes added in games this season, given how strong we've been in the closing parts of games, denying us that time has a significant impact on our legitimate opportunity to have got something.

 

It's not like it was 7 or 8 minutes, it was 3, it's so obviously erroneous, that even had it been all square and both teams settled for a point, it should be looked at.

 

8 hours ago, Lillehamring said:

We had 7 shots after the 80 minute mark, had we had another, say 6 minutes, we could conceivably have generated a 2 or 3 more shots, and they were weakening by the minute, so there was always a chance. 

 

This is all true but we still had 93 minutes to score and didn't. We can't go on relying on last minute goals and sufficient time added on to allow us a chance to do that. We an slate the ref all we like and it's is legitimate but we need to look at our selves first and our own faults / shortcomings.

[jayfox26]

7 hours ago, marbles said:

Could be wrong, but I think the yellow was for the abuse Winks have the ref - not what was said to the opposing player.

Doubt it as Winks was nowhere near the ref at the time. Winks was shouting at Seri and the ref booked him. He hadn't said anything to the ref at that point from what i could see 

[Free Falling Foxes]

3 hours ago, Winchesterfox said:

The decision to only add on three minutes was incompetent rather than corrupt.  These things even themselves out over a season, and at least we don't have VAR ruining every goal celebration.   

I heard it was because of faulty equipment. Apparently, the electronic board the 4th official uses was damaged. 13 minutes should have been added. I zoomed in on a screen grab from the highlights and it is indeed the case - the No 1 button was missing

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

 

This is all true but we still had 93 minutes to score and didn't. We can't go on relying on last minute goals and sufficient time added on to allow us a chance to do that. We an slate the ref all we like and it's is legitimate but we need to look at our selves first and our own faults / shortcomings.

The point is we didn't have 93 minutes because the ball wasn't in play for a huge amount of that with the timewasting. Can hardly score when the ball isn't in play, and the late goals are scored in time that should be played for the match under the rules of the game.