Buonanotte - joined on loan.

[filbertway]

53 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

100% but that's where we are. Is it better to use this strategy now to stay up, or to do nothing and definitely go down?

 

We are all massively upset and frsutrated at the club. But it doesn't mean that this is a bad move.

To be honest, I trust Brightons recruitment more than ours, so if this goes well then maybe we can be regular developers of their talent once we sink down to the champ

 

[Heskey2011]

He's not ready, 4 good games last season 2 vs Sheffield United.

If we're in the expected relegation scrap, he's got no skin in the game.

 

But then.....

2 minutes ago, Taffy (Glynn) said:

People do get awfully precious about "developing players for other teams".

 

That's the way football works unfortunately ; a fundamental part of our model is to develop players for others. 

Clearly when we sign/own those players we are hoping to turn a profit for our "efforts" ; however, it's simply a game of risk/reward (and seemingly a game we have been losing over the last 3-4 seasons.)

 

For every Fofana or Maddison, who we can bring in, develop and sell on. There is a Soumare or a Daka. By loaning a player, yes you don't stand to make the big profits, but you don't stand to stomach the losses either.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that the club needs to be very careful financially ; we all accept that we will need to end this window with 5/6/7/8 new players. If one or two of those can be brought in at essentially zero financial risk, whilst contributing to us staying up, that's a positive for me.

 

Clearly having an option would be nice, but Brighton are very shrewd - this is a 19 year old, creative, Argentinian international. If he has a good enough season for us (fingers crossed) that would make us want to sign him permanently, then you're looking at a price probably into the £30-50M range, based on that profile. By all accounts, we probably can't afford that anyway.

 

Instead, if he buys us 12 months to continue to refine Alves/Golding etc. so that they can step into the role permanently when he returns (and, particularly, if he helps us stay up), then I can only really see positives.

I also see the perspective that if he proves to be good and helps us stay up, then other players will see what he did for us / the role he played / the attention it brought him and will be excited to come and play for us to fill that role.

 

The last season Tielemens was here, all we were doing was developing him for someone else. Same with Soyuncu towards the end of that season. Regardless, you have to make use of the best players you have/you can get your hands on, particularly when you're in a difficult situation.

 

The last time we got promoted, we signed an Argentine midfielder for 12 months, who cost us nothing to sign, made us no profit when he left and I've no complaints about that deal!

 

 

Very good points. 

Gerrrimin 

 

 

[slymunn]

I'm just looking at this deal as a squad place swap with Souttar. A midfield who can chip in with goals and rotate is better than having a 5th or 6th choice centre back.

[AKCJ]

4 minutes ago, Taffy (Glynn) said:

Clearly having an option would be nice, but Brighton are very shrewd - this is a 19 year old, creative, Argentinian international. If he has a good enough season for us (fingers crossed) that would make us want to sign him permanently, then you're looking at a price probably into the £30-50M range, based on that profile. By all accounts, we probably can't afford that anyway.

 

Buonanotte isn't the creative type. 

 

Having the option is what we should be asking for in return for giving him a years worth of development.

A likely scenario this season is that he shows moments of brilliance and shows a real willingness and determination but ultimately he doesn't deliver on the pitch regularly enough to make a consistent difference but we'll be able to see his potential.

So even if that option is say £25m, it's worth negotiating because without it we take all the risk from having him but outside of 38 Premier League games worth, we get none of the reward.

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

Buonanotte is a 19year old attacking midfielder/winger.

 

Will Alves is a 19 year old attacking midfield/winger

 

Sure Buonanotte has more experience but how is Alves going to get his if we keep putting obstacles in his way?

 

Have I misunderstood their relative situations?

Whole heartedly agree.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Let's hope Facundo is fecundo!

[Mark]

Don't care if its a loan at this point, this is the type of player we're lacking and Brighton have done some great recruitment from South America. He's done more in the Premier league than Carvalho despite being two years younger too.

[themightyfin]

10 minutes ago, slymunn said:

I'm just looking at this deal as a squad place swap with Souttar. A midfield who can chip in with goals and rotate is better than having a 5th or 6th choice centre back.

He won't need to be counted in our squad because of his age . So just an extra body. 

[Vindaloo FOX]

Smart move and cheap 

[turtmcfly]

37 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Even if it's silly money, it's worth having the option. It's football. Stranger things have happened than him coming here and being our top scorer and best player.

 

With no buy option we have all of the risk but have no real option of getting the reward. It's a great deal for Brighton.

 

* could not happen in his year on loan. too strange

 

 

[slymunn]

2 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

He won't need to be counted in our squad because of his age . So just an extra body. 

I thought loans counted as squad players, regardless of age?

[Babylon]

Do we need to keep mentioning "how far we've dropped" every five minutes. Unless someone has been in a coma for two years, I'm fairly sure we're all aware that we aren't at the level we were and it's going to take a fair amount of time to get back there. 

[suffolk fox]

33 minutes ago, Heskey2011 said:

Where you got this from???

 

He scored 3 and got 1 assist.

 

In Argentina for Rosario he was on the wing, not a 10 same for Argentina.

And he's little we've got enough little players.

 

Look on the Brighton fans forum North Stand Chat.  He played 29 times for them last season in the premier league.  

[James_lcfc]

Just now, Babylon said:

Do we need to keep mentioning "how far we've dropped" every five minutes. Unless someone has been in a coma for two years, I'm fairly sure we're all aware that we aren't at the level we were and it's going to take a fair amount of time to get back there. 

We were Premier League Champions in 15/16.

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, James_lcfc said:

We were Premier League Champions in 15/16.

Sorry I was in a coma and missed it. 

[Number 6]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Apparently Brighton are also in for Ferdi Kadioglu as well as O'Riley so they're obviously happy to throw cash about. You'd have thought any DoF worth his salary would have asked about an option to buy given Brighton will have to fund these transfers somehow.

They posted £120m profit for 22/23. They can fund transfers.

[Mike Oxlong]

This is a decent option given we are shopping in Poundland these days 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

So basically he's a younger Jordan Ayew 

 

[Bettsj2]

2 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

So basically he's a younger Jordan Ayew 

 

Are you saying this puts the Ayew deal in jeopardy?? 

[MPH]

So the gist of this thread…

 

some people are delighted, some people are livid, some people are meh…

[Libertine]

Just now, MPH said:

So the gist of Foxestalk…

some people are delighted, some people are livid, some people are meh…

Corrected.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Loan is the best option for us while we find our feet 

[turtmcfly]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Well yeah, but that would be using the benefit of hindsight.

 

Right now you can't make a serious case to say that Buonanotte would be the difference between staying up or going down.

 

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Even if it's silly money, it's worth having the option. It's football. Stranger things have happened than him coming here and being our top scorer and best player.

 

With no buy option we have all of the risk but have no real option of getting the reward. It's a great deal for Brighton.

 

Really struggling to get my head around the 'without/with an option to buy' dissonance here.

 

 

[HankMarvin]

20 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

Look on the Brighton fans forum North Stand Chat.  He played 29 times for them last season in the premier league.  

1369 mins which works out about under half the game time of above. Still beggars can’t be choosers.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

We could just go to the source direct? 

 

Ie. Pick a player direct from South America - Buonanotte's initial fee was just £5.3million supposedly. 

 

Low wages, small fee, develop at our benefit 

 

Absolutely mad that we haven't signed anyone direct from that continent considering we spent a decade in the top-flight at its most moneyed. You've got Championship sides looking there / Asia now and pulling some really interesting names out of hats for relatively low-risk prices. Some might turn out to be absolute pony but if you snag a gem you're laughing regardless.