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[leicsmac]

And they didn't even twist your arm a little by getting you to admit that these storms are driven to be more frequent and extreme by the climate change you deny before offering the dough,  Matt.

[Lionator]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Anyone else thinking that banning the head of the organisation designed to represent equally diplomatic relationships and greater understanding between nations isn't the best look for Tel Aviv?

They seem to be working from the position than anything but unequivocal support for their actions, is siding with anti-semites and people that want the complete destruction of Israel. It’s also this attitude that has basically given them free rein to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians across the region while increasingly occupying Palestinian lands. 
 

And no that is not dismissing the heinous acts of October 7th and the IRGC. 

[Parafox]

22 hours ago, Tuna said:

Laura Winham: Family will 'never forget' finding body after years - BBC News

 

Sad

 

20 hours ago, Wymsey said:

I just worry that there are other vulnerable people like that, in a flat that hasn't been touched for years etc with possibly no next of kin, who are even more forgotten about..

That's scary reading for me as it almost mirrors the life of my daughter, without the death and I doubt it will come that, at least not in similar circumstances, as we do try to maintain some contact, and if non-contact went on for more than a couple of months we'd be on the case.

 

She has repeatedly accused us of trying to ruin her life, she has repeatedly "disowned us", she's once again in hospital under MHA section 3. She has refused to take her meds, she has gone without food for days at times as she feels unable to go out but is able to do online shops when she is functioning reasonably well. She won't leave her flat to take out rubbish to the bins as she thinks people will get in and damage her things.

 

Her constant horrible, abusive and hostile messages to us are, in a strange way, reassuring as we know she is at least in contact.

 

The concern now is that because of her MH issues and conflicts with her neighbours in the flats, the MH and Social Services want to move her to a new address to be discharged to. That's potentially going to bring a whole new set of problems and concerns both for us and our daughter as she has already said she won't tell us where she moves to and it seems no one is obliged to as she has capacity and is over 18. 

 

Sorry, I'm offloading again.

[Zear0]

6 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

That's scary reading for me as it almost mirrors the life of my daughter, without the death and I doubt it will come that, at least not in similar circumstances, as we do try to maintain some contact, and if non-contact went on for more than a couple of months we'd be on the case.

 

She has repeatedly accused us of trying to ruin her life, she has repeatedly "disowned us", she's once again in hospital under MHA section 3. She has refused to take her meds, she has gone without food for days at times as she feels unable to go out but is able to do online shops when she is functioning reasonably well. She won't leave her flat to take out rubbish to the bins as she thinks people will get in and damage her things.

 

Her constant horrible, abusive and hostile messages to us are, in a strange way, reassuring as we know she is at least in contact.

 

The concern now is that because of her MH issues and conflicts with her neighbours in the flats, the MH and Social Services want to move her to a new address to be discharged to. That's potentially going to bring a whole new set of problems and concerns both for us and our daughter as she has already said she won't tell us where she moves to and it seems no one is obliged to as she has capacity and is over 18. 

 

Sorry, I'm offloading again.

Don't apologise, your continuing persistence to help her is outstanding. Hope one day you make it through. 

[Wymsey]

18 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

That's scary reading for me as it almost mirrors the life of my daughter, without the death and I doubt it will come that, at least not in similar circumstances, as we do try to maintain some contact, and if non-contact went on for more than a couple of months we'd be on the case.

 

She has repeatedly accused us of trying to ruin her life, she has repeatedly "disowned us", she's once again in hospital under MHA section 3. She has refused to take her meds, she has gone without food for days at times as she feels unable to go out but is able to do online shops when she is functioning reasonably well. She won't leave her flat to take out rubbish to the bins as she thinks people will get in and damage her things.

 

Her constant horrible, abusive and hostile messages to us are, in a strange way, reassuring as we know she is at least in contact.

 

The concern now is that because of her MH issues and conflicts with her neighbours in the flats, the MH and Social Services want to move her to a new address to be discharged to. That's potentially going to bring a whole new set of problems and concerns both for us and our daughter as she has already said she won't tell us where she moves to and it seems no one is obliged to as she has capacity and is over 18. 

 

Sorry, I'm offloading again.

That's awful.

 

I know it's a bit of a cliché to say, but mental illness is horrible to go through for both the 'victim' and family.

 

You have every right to offload; this section of the forum is quite chilled with regards to mental challenges (see the Depression thread as an example) and has very understanding fellow members who won't judge you for stating what you're going through with your daughter.

 

If you feel more comfortable PM'ing someone you can trust regarding your daughter, by all means do so - plenty of genuine people on here would give an emphatic ear to your family situation.

Edited 2 October 2024 by Wymsey

[Parafox]

6 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

That's awful.

 

I know it's a bit of a cliché to say, but mental illness is horrible to go through for both the 'victim' and family.

 

You have every right to offload; this section of the forum is quite chilled with regards to mental challenges (see the Depression thread as an example) and has very understanding fellow members who won't judge you for stating what you're going through with your daughter.

 

If you feel more comfortable PM'ing someone you can trust regarding your daughter, by all means do so - plenty of genuine people on here would give an emphatic ear to your family situation.

 

Thanks pal. I have posted several times on the Depression topic, as you probably know.

 

Responses have been reassuring, understanding and sympathetic and I appreciate each one.

 

We battle on and as you say, MH is a very difficult field for all concerned. We're not the only ones struggling with the lack of support, treatments, understanding. And especially reasonable funding by the Gov.

[FoxesDeb]

2 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

That's scary reading for me as it almost mirrors the life of my daughter, without the death and I doubt it will come that, at least not in similar circumstances, as we do try to maintain some contact, and if non-contact went on for more than a couple of months we'd be on the case.

 

She has repeatedly accused us of trying to ruin her life, she has repeatedly "disowned us", she's once again in hospital under MHA section 3. She has refused to take her meds, she has gone without food for days at times as she feels unable to go out but is able to do online shops when she is functioning reasonably well. She won't leave her flat to take out rubbish to the bins as she thinks people will get in and damage her things.

 

Her constant horrible, abusive and hostile messages to us are, in a strange way, reassuring as we know she is at least in contact.

 

The concern now is that because of her MH issues and conflicts with her neighbours in the flats, the MH and Social Services want to move her to a new address to be discharged to. That's potentially going to bring a whole new set of problems and concerns both for us and our daughter as she has already said she won't tell us where she moves to and it seems no one is obliged to as she has capacity and is over 18. 

 

Sorry, I'm offloading again.

Absolutely no need to apologise, you have so much patience and your dedication to both your daughters is something you should be very proud of, I admire you and your wife for your selflessness and your compassion through what must have been, and continue to be such challenging times for you both ❤️ 

[Super_horns]

Oops !

 

How awkward .

 

https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/02/embarrassed-laura-keunssberg-forced-cancel-boris-johnson-bbc-interview-huge-blunder-21724381/

 

If true and it's not a red herring for something else. 

Edited 2 October 2024 by Super_horns

[foxile5]

Oh gosh this situation in the middle east. 

 

How far does this escalate? Where does the outcome lie? 

 

I'm so nervous of it all 

[spacemunky]

2 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Oh gosh this situation in the middle east. 

 

How far does this escalate? Where does the outcome lie? 

 

I'm so nervous of it all 

Can't imagine Israel won't retaliate.

 

Too many nutters calling the shots.

 

Definitely a scary situation.

 

 

[Jattdogg]

Netanwacko is his new name. War criminal IMO. Unpopular,  maybe but don't care as I'm tired of him slaughtering innocents just like the knobs who did the same to the Israelis.

 

Wish he along with hezbollah and hamas would all fook off

 

 

Edited 3 October 2024 by Jattdogg

[Jon the Hat]

I don't see frankly any alternative now to Israel / the US taking out Iran's missile and indeed nuclear materials production sites.  They have now basically lost their Hezbollah and Hamas frontline, and if that doesn't lead to them developing nuclear weapons it would be a miracle.

[leicsmac]

57 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I don't see frankly any alternative now to Israel / the US taking out Iran's missile and indeed nuclear materials production sites.  They have now basically lost their Hezbollah and Hamas frontline, and if that doesn't lead to them developing nuclear weapons it would be a miracle.

The US are on record as saying that Israel are on their own if they do this.

 

Of course, off record may be different.

[leicsmac]

And good to see the "establishment" press still favour escalation and likely all-out war, then. Must sell papers and clicks.

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And good to see the "establishment" press still favour escalation and likely all-out war, then. Must sell papers and clicks.

Yes I did see that Times article.  Only one of a number they published recently with different opinions mind you.  I am still surprised they are talking about will War break out as if there has not been war for a year already.  Weird.

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Yes I did see that Times article.  Only one of a number they published recently with different opinions mind you.  I am still surprised they are talking about will War break out as if there has not been war for a year already.  Weird.

There's other pieces, too.

 

It's just rather ridiculous to me that they'd come down on the one side just because it's the done thing.

 

It's like that bit in Good Omens where Aziraphale says to Gabriel "There doesn't have to be a war!" and Gabriel looks at him like he's stupid and replies "Of course there does! Otherwise how would we win it?"

 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

The US are on record as saying that Israel are on their own if they do this.

 

Of course, off record may be different.

I can only think that the us think that Iran’s nuclear program is leverage in general negotiations around the region.(eg. Allowing that to proceed gives the USA some leverage over Iran geo politically). 

 

if Israel were to destroy it then Iran has way less to lose in future discussions about global issues.  

 

Saudi would surely be delighted if it were gone. 

However, surely the USA aren’t keen for Iran to actually have nuclear weapon capability - up to this point, hezbollah has been the insurance policy against Israel attempting to blow it to pieces. If Israel are really dismantling hezbollah then whilst they may frame that as protecting their northern borders and removing the threat of missiles so close by, my guess is that it’s related to a move to push back Iran’s nukes by a decade.  

the take out from this is that whilst the G7 might publicly say that an attack on the nuclear sites is off limits, privately they won’t be. 

[leicsmac]

30 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I can only think that the us think that Iran’s nuclear program is leverage in general negotiations around the region.(eg. Allowing that to proceed gives the USA some leverage over Iran geo politically). 

 

if Israel were to destroy it then Iran has way less to lose in future discussions about global issues.  

 

Saudi would surely be delighted if it were gone. 

However, surely the USA aren’t keen for Iran to actually have nuclear weapon capability - up to this point, hezbollah has been the insurance policy against Israel attempting to blow it to pieces. If Israel are really dismantling hezbollah then whilst they may frame that as protecting their northern borders and removing the threat of missiles so close by, my guess is that it’s related to a move to push back Iran’s nukes by a decade.  

the take out from this is that whilst the G7 might publicly say that an attack on the nuclear sites is off limits, privately they won’t be. 

That seems pretty accurate to me.

 

Here's hoping we don't have to find out.

[Nalis]

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/03/graves-could-be-reused-under-proposals-to-tackle-lack-of-space-for-the-dead

 

In grave danger 

[StanSP]

11 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Oops !

 

How awkward .

 

https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/02/embarrassed-laura-keunssberg-forced-cancel-boris-johnson-bbc-interview-huge-blunder-21724381/

 

If true and it's not a red herring for something else. 

I'm with Tom Freeman on this one. 

[StanSP]

59 minutes ago, Nalis said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/03/graves-could-be-reused-under-proposals-to-tackle-lack-of-space-for-the-dead

 

In grave danger 

Everyone be turning in their graves. 

[MPH]

So I’m a little confused as to how/why in 2006 Israel seemed to struggle with Hezbollah and their ‘confrontation’ pretty much ended in a stalemate. Yet here we are 18 years later  and despite some moderate damage by missiles from them, it appears the Israelis been able to cut through them  ( Hezbollah) like a hot knife through butter.. There is not a stalemate right now, just Israel making advances and scoring some victories. 

 

Iran must be seething.  In the Conext of change, their billions have bore no fruit for either Hamas/Palestine/Hezbollah. 
 

 if I was Iranian, I’d feel highly embarrassed with how badly things have gone for them since Hamas’ initial attack.  And if I was Hamas, I’d be raging at Iran for  egging them on to do that and with how it’s effected their country at the moment. I would also wonder if Iran even cared about the Palestians at all…

[SecretPro]

9 minutes ago, MPH said:

So I’m a little confused as to how/why in 2006 Israel seemed to struggle with Hezbollah and their ‘confrontation’ pretty much ended in a stalemate. Yet here we are 18 years later  and despite some moderate damage by missiles from them, it appears the Israelis been able to cut through them  ( Hezbollah) like a hot knife through butter.. There is not a stalemate right now, just Israel making advances and scoring some victories. 

 

Iran must be seething.  In the Conext of change, their billions have bore no fruit for either Hamas/Palestine/Hezbollah. 
 

 if I was Iranian, I’d feel highly embarrassed with how badly things have gone for them since Hamas’ initial attack.  And if I was Hamas, I’d be raging at Iran for  egging them on to do that and with how it’s effected their country at the moment. I would also wonder if Iran even cared about the Palestians at all…

Lots of Western help, lots of Western finance and munitions, the development of Iron Dome and an instance by Major Western powers that Israel can basically do what they want, when they want and that invading several countries and territories in the space of a year, plus assassinating people in several other countries is not in any way provocation. (Let alone wiping 45,000 women and children off the map and subjecting an entire population to illegal and increasing occupation for 70 years).

Edited 3 October 2024 by SecretPro

[urban.spaceman]

On 01/10/2024 at 10:20, Daggers said:

 

Reported for offensive content.

[LiberalFox]

16 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

That's scary reading for me as it almost mirrors the life of my daughter, without the death and I doubt it will come that, at least not in similar circumstances, as we do try to maintain some contact, and if non-contact went on for more than a couple of months we'd be on the case.

 

She has repeatedly accused us of trying to ruin her life, she has repeatedly "disowned us", she's once again in hospital under MHA section 3. She has refused to take her meds, she has gone without food for days at times as she feels unable to go out but is able to do online shops when she is functioning reasonably well. She won't leave her flat to take out rubbish to the bins as she thinks people will get in and damage her things.

 

Her constant horrible, abusive and hostile messages to us are, in a strange way, reassuring as we know she is at least in contact.

 

The concern now is that because of her MH issues and conflicts with her neighbours in the flats, the MH and Social Services want to move her to a new address to be discharged to. That's potentially going to bring a whole new set of problems and concerns both for us and our daughter as she has already said she won't tell us where she moves to and it seems no one is obliged to as she has capacity and is over 18. 

 

Sorry, I'm offloading again.

Don't be sorry. I can't imagine what that's like to love someone who is so unwell and can't love you back for so long. 

 

It must be frustrating when services are professionally bound to represent your daughter's wishes and perspective when they're so clearly not grounded in reality. 

 

Hoping for the best for you and your family.