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2 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

That’s really not true though is it?

 

Haaland and Isak the top two “9’s” in the PL are there solely for goals.

 

Yet when you think of the best “10’s” they offer a great foil for the strikers and play between the lines.

 

Us not having a striker who’s going to get us 15+ goals is going to be the difference between this season and the Enzo one.

And tbh, it probably says more about Daka than anyone else

Posted
11 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think people refuse to see what he brings and cannot get past the weird belief that  he is here to score goals only

He does link play, he works hard, and maybe that is his job. :dunno:

 

Do like the new word @StriderHiryu - Ayew is a prime suffer of this “over hate”

 

 

And this is precisely why he divides opinion. He gives off the impression he’s an asset because he works hard, Ayew’s skillset lend him to a specific scenario. Oxford he was brilliant because all of that work you talk about helped us to gain a point from that game…… but today, he did nothing to help us offensively. He was as deep as ten yards in his own half today when the play was advancing. I don’t hate Ayew, he just frustrates me because I think a lot of his hard work, is actually causing us problems from an attacking sense. 
 

He simply has to start releasing the ball quicker, he was (as well as Mavididi) one of the main reasons play kept breaking down today. Working hard is all well and good, but you need a good end product to go with it, and he doesn’t provide that anywhere near enough. 

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1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

 

He simply has to start releasing the ball quicker, he was (as well as Mavididi) one of the main reasons play kept breaking down today. Working hard is all well and good, but you need a good end product to go with it, and he doesn’t provide that anywhere near enough. 

The one time he could, and should, have taken an extra touch today, he didn't.  :facepalm:

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7 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

And this is precisely why he divides opinion. He gives off the impression he’s an asset because he works hard, Ayew’s skillset lend him to a specific scenario. Oxford he was brilliant because all of that work you talk about helped us to gain a point from that game…… but today, he did nothing to help us offensively. He was as deep as ten yards in his own half today when the play was advancing. I don’t hate Ayew, he just frustrates me because I think a lot of his hard work, is actually causing us problems from an attacking sense. 
 

He simply has to start releasing the ball quicker, he was (as well as Mavididi) one of the main reasons play kept breaking down today. Working hard is all well and good, but you need a good end product to go with it, and he doesn’t provide that anywhere near enough. 

Didn’t he release Mav for his one-on-one cock up?

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Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Didn’t he release Mav for his one-on-one cock up?

it was a well worked move between the 2 of them, one of the few that involved Ayew

Posted
41 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think people refuse to see what he brings and cannot get past the weird belief that  he is here to score goals only

He does link play, he works hard, and maybe that is his job. :dunno:

 

Do like the new word @StriderHiryu - Ayew is a prime suffer of this “over hate”

 

He needs to be scoring goals too, but this is a fluid system where he's operating more like a Bobby Firmino than a standard number 9.

 

Ayew was excellent in preseason but he did drop a couple of stinkers against Preston and Charlton. He was good today, and should have gotten an assist. At the end of the day I can't think of many times where he's gad a gilt-edged opportunity to score which he's missed. So it's up to the team to give him more service, even if he is guilty of not getting into the box enough. In general the team needs to link up with him better, more one-twos and crashing the box to support him. 

 

His lack of pace lets him down which prevents him form sometimes rejoining a move he started. That's maybe where Carranza could step in. But put it this way, Ayew has done a lot of good stuff this season, whereas Daka looks totally lost when he comes on. He isn't the biggest problem. 

 

Overall the team is badly missing goals. Vardy was prolific, Daka and Ayew aren't. And none of Winks, Soumare or Skipp are known for getting good numbers from midfield. Add to this a misfiring Mavididi, and we can all see the area which needs improving. Ricardo has done well, 2 goals already despite limited appearances when he's the spare man. Hopefully we can see more from JJ and Ramsey, but even Luke Thomas who also inverts in at times. 

 

Against Coventry, it was the first time we had control of the game and sustained attacks for long periods of time. If we do that every week, I'd be fairly confident that multiple players in the team will start to hit the next frequently. 

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The trouble with the idea of Ayew playing the Firmino role is that role requires the two wingers to be driving into the box to play off and make opportunities for themselves AS WELL AS and probably more importantly, the fullbacks getting in on the attack with overlaps to create distractions, draw cover, provide crosses and on occasion be the man at the back stick for over hit crosses meant for the 3 forwards in the box.  Your midfield 3 is better comprised of a 6 and two 8's (which suits Winks most imo) to squeeze the opponents and cover laterally for the attacking fullback.  Then Ayew can play the more withdrawn role with the wing forwards and even fullbacks getting further forward than him.

 

Trouble is our fullbacks stay at home.  Ricardo is the only one with any attacking nouse.  So defences only need to worry about being beaten 1v1, and so they can double up on the wingers, crowd them out, and there's no ball on to play with Ayew.  Or any other striker in that instance.

 

Cifuentes at present isn't getting attacking impetus from the fullbacks nor the midfielders.  He needs to get one set of them contributing going forward.  Given the midfield options we've had don't have goals (or even assists) in them, then we need to be getting the fullbacks going up.  They don't even need to be scoring and assisting.  If they just provide options and draw defenders to them we can turn our wingers into goalscorers, or at least give them the opportunity to exploit the space.

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it might be a fluid system but I don't think Ayew is ever meant to be stood at right back whilst the ball is around their box, needs to be more selfish in his positioning when attacking get in the danger area as he's a decent finisher

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Said it in the post match thread that we cannot persist with him whilst the wingers are streets ahead of him on the pitch. We need a mobile forward, he cannot influence the way we need up front.

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1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

He needs to be scoring goals too, but this is a fluid system where he's operating more like a Bobby Firmino than a standard number 9.

 

Ayew was excellent in preseason but he did drop a couple of stinkers against Preston and Charlton. He was good today, and should have gotten an assist. At the end of the day I can't think of many times where he's gad a gilt-edged opportunity to score which he's missed. So it's up to the team to give him more service, even if he is guilty of not getting into the box enough. In general the team needs to link up with him better, more one-twos and crashing the box to support him. 

 

His lack of pace lets him down which prevents him form sometimes rejoining a move he started. That's maybe where Carranza could step in. But put it this way, Ayew has done a lot of good stuff this season, whereas Daka looks totally lost when he comes on. He isn't the biggest problem. 

 

Overall the team is badly missing goals. Vardy was prolific, Daka and Ayew aren't. And none of Winks, Soumare or Skipp are known for getting good numbers from midfield. Add to this a misfiring Mavididi, and we can all see the area which needs improving. Ricardo has done well, 2 goals already despite limited appearances when he's the spare man. Hopefully we can see more from JJ and Ramsey, but even Luke Thomas who also inverts in at times. 

 

Against Coventry, it was the first time we had control of the game and sustained attacks for long periods of time. If we do that every week, I'd be fairly confident that multiple players in the team will start to hit the next frequently. 

The problem is teams that operate with a cf like that tend to have wingers/inside forwards who predominantly are just left to attack with limited defensive duties…. That’s not the case with us as we seem to be expecting to defend and attack in equal measure which is leaving us with the square root of f all up top at times lol

 

For the record I do rate Ayew when he plays deeper but as our sole st… nope not for me! 

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I don't mind when strikers drop deep to link up the play

 

We saw Carranza doing it a couple of times when he came on and it was more similar to when Vardy used to do it - a quick little 5-10 yard run back to drop the ball off and straight back into position to lead the line

 

The problem with Ayew is that he comes really really deep - he was literally down at right back a couple of times today - and he doesn't have the pace to get back up into position so it meant that it was usually either no one or JJ in the middle if we were managing to attack their box

 

Going forward if he is playing he needs to be behind the striker (until Ramsey is back)

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Posted

His strengths are very rarely of any real benefit to us (which admittedly isn't entirely his fault) and his weaknesses essentially hamstring our entire attack. If we persist with him as our striker I think it's going to be a real slog of a season.

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Forget this “false 9” talk, you either do or don’t have a strikers instinct.

 

Ayew whilst a technically better footballer than I realised before he joined, clearly is not a natural striker and considering that we don’t have goals in the majority of our other positions, it means that we’re going to end up with a lot of results like today.

 

Frustrated and confused as to how we haven’t punished a pretty average Championship side.

 

Daka is never the answer but imagine him playing the same amount of minutes and offering the same end product, it would be wild on here, why does Ayew not get the same vitriol? 

Posted (edited)

Shouldn't really get the hate he does.

He is what he is, we bought him at the age he is.

Lovely ball to Mavadidi yday, but hopefully some of his experience can help the youngsters like Fatawu, Monga,Mavadidi 

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