Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

59 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

With Cooper still in charge I believe we would be on a few more points. 16 or 17 total and goal difference better possibly. He did seem to know how to make something happen in the final third especially. 

 

Fine lines, the squad is shite regardless.

Who knows but we have to bear in mind Cooper had Hermanson, Fatawu and Ndidi available. I can’t help but think all three would make a difference. Also Ricardo, though he chose to never play him. 

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

I wouldn't no. There were zero tactics going on under Cooper.

Yet it yielded more points. Interesting.

 

Even like for like against Palace.

 

Listen, i'm not saying Coopers any better than RVN, he's not, we are undeniable playing better now but the reality is we were conceding less, scoring more and getting more points before RVN came in.

 

We're neither hard to beat (and never were) or clinical like we were despite creating more leaving us arguably worse off despite being easier on the eye.

 

You can't criticise one with the vitriol he got (Not saying you per se) whilst giving the other a free pass.

 

[orangecity23]

Cooper team without Hermansen takes zero points from any fixture. Mads was a one man wall preventing a total battering every week. Lest we forget the away game at Arsenal where he set a record for most saves in a game and we still conceeded 4. Cooper lost 4 of his last 5 games anyway, so acting like he would have taken points is a fantasy, the death spiral was already in motion.

[Finn Claw II]

He needs time and a chance to build a squad.  Don’t really see any point in anyone else right now assume he has the stomach for the Championship and doesn’t consider himself an ‘elite’ manager.

 

wasn’t a big fan of Enzo really but his signings and system was at least effective. 

[splinterdream]

1 minute ago, HesNotGudjonsonn2 said:

Who knows but we have to bear in mind Cooper had Hermanson, Fatawu and Ndidi available. I can’t help but think all three would make a difference. Also Ricardo, though he chose to never play him. 

Today, Vardy had chances, mavididi had the ball in dangerous positions and did nothing with it, fact is since ruud has come in, we’ve been deserving of points and haven’t got any, whereas complete opposite with cooper 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

7 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

How were they unhappy? We weren’t in the relegation zone. 

 

Vardy was screaming at him in his last game for Christ's sake, it was obvious they weren't pleased with Cooper

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Most of the goals/wins under Cooper were individual wonder goals....lucky goals....but luck also runs out eventually and now we've got nothing else

Edited 15 January by CrispinLA in Texas

[WoodyFox]

Sums it up when no one knows who’s taking corners. That comes from the manager. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

2 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Vardy was screaming at him in his last game for Christ's sake, it was obvious they weren't pleased with Cooper

And we’ve had 4 points since 

[fox in the sox]

19 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

I wouldn't no. There were zero tactics going on under Cooper.
 

 

 

The one who had no tactics was getting better results

[splinterdream]

4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

We do, but you have to find a way! 

 

The result and performance haven't been good enough.

 

 

 

We’re losing from individual errors, what can the manager do about that?  Facundo cost us when he tried to dribble out the box, fans still wanted him to play though, JJ had cost us, but who else you having, tonight vestegaard, Vardy not taking chances, what can the manager do about that?

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, The Horse's Mouth said:

And we’ve had 4 points since 

 

Didn't say otherwise

[Iwebema]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

We do, but you have to find a way! 

 

The result and performance haven't been good enough.

 

 

 

They haven't, but who else could of come in and fixed it, the only slight positive of RVN over Cooper for me is there is clearly a plan and a style rather than just cling on to games inviting pressure for 90 minutes and hoping.

 

Even if you come up with some left field names that could of come in, that would require having a director of football that would of even heard of them. It's pretty obvious to me they are just winging it appointment to appointment.

 

It doesn't absolve RVN, but he's had one hell of a bad pass and he's learning on the job, he may never be a good manager, but I don't think we were the club to really test if he was or wasn't we are hopeless.

 

My bigger worry is what the hell do the clown show operating it all do next? No one with any pedigree will come near us if we sack RVN, 3 managers in one season. Only the absolutely desperate will want it, It's just a proper mess.

 

[StriderHiryu]

Ruud was dealt an even worse hand than Cooper. Comes into a struggling side mid-season with no time to prepare the team or bring in any players he may have wanted.

 

6 losses in a row in the league is terrible, but any manager is going to struggle from his starting point. This is not the squad from 2022, it is considerably worse. He's lost Ndidi and Hermansen since he took over, who statistically were the ones that matched or beat players from the top half of the table.

 

I see a clear idea of what he's trying to do, but our squad is so far off what other teams have, it's hard to be able to pull it off. That's where criticism might be fair, because he might be doing a Kompany from Burnley last season. But in tonight's game, we went to a more direct 352 after 60 minutes as a clear Plan B) but it didn't work either. When your options off the bench are Kasey McAteer, Jordan Ayew, Patson Daka and Bobby Reid, well it's not really that hard to see why we are struggling.

 

Overall I'm ambivalent. I think that regardless of who was in charge, we needed one or two of our summer signings to be difference makers. Some players look good, but I am talking about players that make the difference every week. Ipswich right now might have a chance to stay up, because one of their signings in Delap is a difference maker. Wolves have Cunha. Even Everton have Ndiaye who is probably better than any of our forward players. If Vardy took one of his chances in the first half, it's a totally different game, but given his age, it's apparent he's no longer able to be the difference maker.

 

So unless some of our players suddenly hit form, or some new signings of real quality come in, relegation is inevitable.

 

 

[Ian Nacho]

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Ruud was dealt an even worse hand than Cooper. Comes into a struggling side mid-season with no time to prepare the team or bring in any players he may have wanted.

 

6 losses in a row in the league is terrible, but any manager is going to struggle from his starting point. This is not the squad from 2022, it is considerably worse. He's lost Ndidi and Hermansen since he took over, who statistically were the ones that matched or beat players from the top half of the table.

 

I see a clear idea of what he's trying to do, but our squad is so far off what other teams have, it's hard to be able to pull it off. That's where criticism might be fair, because he might be doing a Kompany from Burnley last season. But in tonight's game, we went to a more direct 352 after 60 minutes as a clear Plan B) but it didn't work either. When your options off the bench are Kasey McAteer, Jordan Ayew, Patson Daka and Bobby Reid, well it's not really that hard to see why we are struggling.

 

Overall I'm ambivalent. I think that regardless of who was in charge, we needed one or two of our summer signings to be difference makers. Some players look good, but I am talking about players that make the difference every week. Ipswich right now might have a chance to stay up, because one of their signings in Delap is a difference maker. Wolves have Cunha. Even Everton have Ndiaye who is probably better than any of our forward players. If Vardy took one of his chances in the first half, it's a totally different game, but given his age, it's apparent he's no longer able to be the difference maker.

 

So unless some of our players suddenly hit form, or some new signings of real quality come in, relegation is inevitable.

 

 

Perfect summary.

[lee7]

I feel sorry for Ruud. He has been dealt a fairly sh*t hand. 

Hermansen got injured shortly after he came in and to be fair to Mads he has single handedly won us some vital points this season with his incredible saves in certain fixtures. 

 

We have no right winger that is capable of going past his opponent...

Our CBs are too slow...

We have one decent striker...

Our bench is incredibly weak

 

His hands are pretty much tied at the moment however I do believe if we can make some decent signings and fast that he is capable of turning things around.

 

 

 

Edited 15 January by lee7

[Bluearmyfox28]

I fully stand by Ruud still and I stand by a previous statement that if we go down I hope we stick with Ruud and rebuild with him. 
 

Anyone that has the slightest understanding of football can see we’ve improved massively under Ruud compared to how we was under Cooper.

 

The fact Ruud has made us competitive in games with this group of players is impressive as far as I’m concerned.

[AKCJ]

I wouldn't be brave enough to make the decision myself yet but Dyche has to be tempting. 

 

Desperate for a manager that can organise this set of arseholes.

[fox_favourite]

4 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Ruud was dealt an even worse hand than Cooper. Comes into a struggling side mid-season with no time to prepare the team or bring in any players he may have wanted.

 

6 losses in a row in the league is terrible, but any manager is going to struggle from his starting point. This is not the squad from 2022, it is considerably worse. He's lost Ndidi and Hermansen since he took over, who statistically were the ones that matched or beat players from the top half of the table.

 

I see a clear idea of what he's trying to do, but our squad is so far off what other teams have, it's hard to be able to pull it off. That's where criticism might be fair, because he might be doing a Kompany from Burnley last season. But in tonight's game, we went to a more direct 352 after 60 minutes as a clear Plan B) but it didn't work either. When your options off the bench are Kasey McAteer, Jordan Ayew, Patson Daka and Bobby Reid, well it's not really that hard to see why we are struggling.

 

Overall I'm ambivalent. I think that regardless of who was in charge, we needed one or two of our summer signings to be difference makers. Some players look good, but I am talking about players that make the difference every week. Ipswich right now might have a chance to stay up, because one of their signings in Delap is a difference maker. Wolves have Cunha. Even Everton have Ndiaye who is probably better than any of our forward players. If Vardy took one of his chances in the first half, it's a totally different game, but given his age, it's apparent he's no longer able to be the difference maker.

 

So unless some of our players suddenly hit form, or some new signings of real quality come in, relegation is inevitable.

 

 

Well said that man. I agree. My anger isn't at RVN, it's the board that let this happen in the summer. 

 

12-15m isn't getting you the quality we lack. We should have competed Ipswich for some of the best championship player. And why didn't we get a striker in the summer! £25m with good scouting could have found that quality. But cooper went for Skipp. 

 

Honestly we're a basket case, and I don't see it improving. 

[filbertway]

20 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Sure, but losing 2 two of your relegation rivals at home, conceding 5, scoring 0......

 

3 home games on the spin without a goal!

To be fair, if his 100+k a week striker could score then we would have had at least a couple.

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I fully stand by Ruud still and I stand by a previous statement that if we go down I hope we stick with Ruud and rebuild with him. 
 

Anyone that has the slightest understanding of football can see we’ve improved massively under Ruud compared to how we was under Cooper.

 

The fact Ruud has made us competitive in games with this group of players is impressive as far as I’m concerned.

For me he needs to be brave. He cannot rely on some of these players and he needs to take a strong stand like Enzo did.

 

I'd be telling 5-10 of them they no longer have a future here and to find other clubs this month. 

 

We are all but down, time to build our team around Ben Nelson (when back fit), Alves, Monga and Evans.

[GingerrrFox]

Honestly lads, lasses and all in between. We are ****ed, we’re going down and it’s not gonna be pretty. This team isn’t good enough, the clubs been mismanaged for a long time now and it’s finally caught up with us. It would take a miracle.

[teblin]

They didn’t make the wrong decision sacking cooper, it was appointment of cooper. But not sure ruud is up to it either.

[Supergray22]

5 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Ruud was dealt an even worse hand than Cooper. Comes into a struggling side mid-season with no time to prepare the team or bring in any players he may have wanted.

 

6 losses in a row in the league is terrible, but any manager is going to struggle from his starting point. This is not the squad from 2022, it is considerably worse. He's lost Ndidi and Hermansen since he took over, who statistically were the ones that matched or beat players from the top half of the table.

 

I see a clear idea of what he's trying to do, but our squad is so far off what other teams have, it's hard to be able to pull it off. That's where criticism might be fair, because he might be doing a Kompany from Burnley last season. But in tonight's game, we went to a more direct 352 after 60 minutes as a clear Plan B) but it didn't work either. When your options off the bench are Kasey McAteer, Jordan Ayew, Patson Daka and Bobby Reid, well it's not really that hard to see why we are struggling.

 

Overall I'm ambivalent. I think that regardless of who was in charge, we needed one or two of our summer signings to be difference makers. Some players look good, but I am talking about players that make the difference every week. Ipswich right now might have a chance to stay up, because one of their signings in Delap is a difference maker. Wolves have Cunha. Even Everton have Ndiaye who is probably better than any of our forward players. If Vardy took one of his chances in the first half, it's a totally different game, but given his age, it's apparent he's no longer able to be the difference maker.

 

So unless some of our players suddenly hit form, or some new signings of real quality come in, relegation is inevitable.

 

 

At times buonanotte BEK and possibly even fatawu mavs and soumare have shown varying potential to be difference makers but none have gone on to show that consistently. I agree unless our player start to shine bright on a consistent basis both individual and collectively we aren’t going to see the upturn in results that is going to be needed at this stage. This is probably true no matter who is the manager or the tactics and strategy they employ. 

[foxtillidrop]

From what I've seen, this current group at LCFC seem more interested in build-up play than getting results. The first team is the first team - it isn't the development squad. We are in a relegation scrap where performances and style of play will ultimately count for very little. Its as though we are aiming for perfection in terms of style rather than points. This is where I actually think Cooper was hard done by as he at least had us above the relegation zone. 

 

We seem to need prolonged spells of possession to carve open a chance - this is all well and good at nil - nil, easy to play with a swagger and feel as though we are on top at nil - nil (i.e. the first half tonight), but as soon as we concede it feels like a mountain to climb, because there is simply no urgency to get the ball into the final third and get the team at the right end of the pitch. 

 

We end up looking complacent, careless and nonchalant, lacking the killer instinct, or any kind of winning mentality. We look way off the mark at the moment and the manager needs to share some of the responsibility. Why play Danny Ward against Wolves for example - the whole of the King Power knew it was a bad decision as soon as the team sheet came out. 

Edited 15 January by foxtillidrop