Next Manager

[AyewJoking]

This is so boring, i cant wait til July 1st when Ruud is ditched and Dyche arrives with Danny Ings in his car boot.

[TonyN11]

Hey, how about we just close this thread?

[honeybradger]

                Ings Ayew

      Reid Ndidi Skipp Mcateer

Kristiansen Keane Coady Justin

                   Begovic

 

Sean Dyches dream team for the 25/26 championship season!

[Bob Weasel Fox]

9 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

                Ings Ayew

      Reid Ndidi Skipp Mcateer

Kristiansen Keane Coady Justin

                   Begovic

 

Sean Dyches dream team for the 25/26 championship season!

**** me that's horrific 

[orangecity23]

18 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

                Ings Ayew

      Reid Ndidi Skipp Mcateer

Kristiansen Keane Coady Justin

                   Begovic

 

Sean Dyches dream team for the 25/26 championship season!

What is even more worrying is that Ben Mee, Ashley Young and Ashley Barnes are all in the free transfer list as well this summer, so there's scope for him to make something even more horrific

 

           Ings Barnes

Reid  Ndidi Skipp   Ayew

Young  Mee  Keane  Justin

           Begovic

 

Got rid of all that horrible youth, and got a lot more much needed Experience(TM ) in there. Oh, and Tom Heaton on the bench as well.

[lcfcbluearmy]

2 hours ago, Guppys Love Child said:

OK

But I'd be interested in your reason why (genuine question)

Just to be clear I don't think Rohl is a bad option I just think dyche is better. 

 

I'm going to take the slightly controversial stance of partially ignoring his time at Everton and focusing on his time at Burnley, mainly because I think this relates more to the situation we find ourselves in now.

 

In his first year when he took over at Burnley they were struggling in the championship and in 15th after Eddie howe left them to join Bournemouth. Dyche comes in does a solid job they finish 11th.

 

In his first full season he makes just 1 permanent signing Ashley barnes for 400 k who is a young(ish) 24 year old striker who dosent come in until January. Despite this minimal spend they finish 2nd in the championship having lost only 5 games ( we lost 6 that season) scoring the 3rd highest amount of goals and conceding the least. In 1 full season in charge he turned a bottom half team into a promotion winning team.

 

They then spend minimally and get relegated ge next season however they then get promoted again next season after a 23 game undefeated streak with joint highest goals scored and second lowest goals conceded. In this time dyche has signed 23 year old tarkowski, 24 year old Andre gray and 22 year old michael Keane who were all young ish players with huge potential and resale value.

 

He then keeps Burnley up in 2016/17, whilst he does spend a bit more this season most of the players he brings in are 25 or younger with the most notable this year being 24 year old nick pope

 

In 17 / 18 Burnley make a net transfer profit. Dyche this year does bring in some older more experienced players in Cork and lennon but he also beings in 25 year old Chris wood from Leeds. Despite Burnley not spending hugely he takes Burnley and they finish 7 th that season. All on a shoe string budget

 

Over the next few years despite Burnley only having a shoe string budget compared to other teams who were finishing mid table (around 50 m total spend, compared to West ham who Burnley finished above twice in these next 3 years around 250 m total spend) they finished top half twice.

 

We need someone who can work with what he has and not need to spend loads to get success dyche showed he could do this fairly consistently over an extended period of time at Burnley whilst bringing in some promising younger players with resale value. 

 

Whilst Rohl has done a very good job at a basket case shefield Wednesday. They have finished 20th and 12th in his two seasons in both conceading  significantly more than they scored. Yes he has done a good job but it's only over a very short period and he hasn't made them especially defensively solid or especially potent atacking. He is also actively pushing to leave Sheffield Wednesday and this makes me worry he would do the same and throw his toys out the pram if we didn't give him money to spend which I don't think we will and we can't afford another manager that does that. ( yes I know some have been lied to and rudkin needs to go but that's not the point I'm making here)

[Sooper Steve's shin]

5 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

What baffles me most is why would you employ Ruud if you was going to sack him 6 months later, I know we had a terrible run under him no goals, wins and got relegated but we was favorites for relegation at the start of the season anyway, it's either he has upset the board with comments towards them in private or because he has fell out and put a few players in line, if its the latter then no manager stands a chance.

 

 

If we had put up any sort of fight, he would be our manager going into the season. It’s not relegation that’s done for him (and you have to think he must also have assumed it could have been on the cards when he started with us, so he was presumably prepared to manage us in the Championship). It was the fact he didn’t show any signs of motivating players or fans, seemed to have little to no clue on team selection, and let things slide the way that they did. In any normal circumstances, he would have been sacked long before the end of the season on that showing. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Dyche just makes too much sense I just can’t see it 

[iancognito]

6 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

What baffles me most is why would you employ Ruud if you was going to sack him 6 months later, I know we had a terrible run under him no goals, wins and got relegated but we was favorites for relegation at the start of the season anyway, it's either he has upset the board with comments towards them in private or because he has fell out and put a few players in line, if its the latter then no manager stands a chance.

 

 

You can't just pass off that run as "I know we had a terrible run.....but" as if it was a month of poor results or an unlucky streak. It was the worst run in ours and top flight history. It may never be beaten for shitness. Take off the Ipswich and Saints games where we turned up after relegation, he inherited a team low on confidence needing an attitude adjustment and turned them into abject losers with no style or pattern of play evident and that conceded goals with predictable ease for 4 months.

 

We didn't hire him to fire him, we hired him believing he was an undiscovered managerial talent, made a horrendous error and got David Van Pleatelrooy.

[Claudio Fannieri]

7 hours ago, Leicesterpool said:

Some saying on the social media announcement tomorrow... like we havent that before.

Where have you seen this? 

[Groby_Blue]

1 hour ago, iancognito said:

You can't just pass off that run as "I know we had a terrible run.....but" as if it was a month of poor results or an unlucky streak. It was the worst run in ours and top flight history. It may never be beaten for shitness. Take off the Ipswich and Saints games where we turned up after relegation, he inherited a team low on confidence needing an attitude adjustment and turned them into abject losers with no style or pattern of play evident and that conceded goals with predictable ease for 4 months.

 

We didn't hire him to fire him, we hired him believing he was an undiscovered managerial talent, made a horrendous error and got David Van Pleatelrooy.

Remember the interview he did on the pitch after the West Ham game - he was charismatic, he looked happy and confident, he talked a really good game and he sounded like he knew what he was doing and gave the impression that he was going to get us on the right track. Most of us were impressed and got a bit of hope back after Cooper. 

 

Compare that RvN to the one a month or so later, after defeat, defeat, defeat. Just walking off the pitch, no interaction with his own players. No rapport with the fans. Clearly not wanting to be there. A different person to the one interviewed for the job. 

 

It's like taking a girl out, she gives you the best night you've had for ages and you think, this one's a keeper and a month later, she's just sat slobbing on your sofa, eating chips and farting all the while. You'd soon be looking for a replacement too. 

[Holly B]

Damian Duff anyone ?

[Nick]

Carsley?

[Chelmofox]

3 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Dyche just makes too much sense I just can’t see it 

Dyche makes such little sense, and i can see it happening in about 8 days time

[coolhandfox]

3 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Dyche just makes too much sense I just can’t see it 

It's make no sense........

[OntarioFox]

9 hours ago, honeybradger said:

                Ings Ayew

      Reid Ndidi Skipp Mcateer

Kristiansen Keane Coady Justin

                   Begovic

 

Sean Dyches dream team for the 25/26 championship season!

No Faes? Build the Dyche statue now 

[The Horse's Mouth]

17 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

It's make no sense........

Our owners are on the brink on bankruptcy and the club has been hemorrhaging money for years  and you think appointing one of the best managers at working with a shoe string makes no sense?

[Trav Le Bleu]

9 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

What is even more worrying is that Ben Mee, Ashley Young and Ashley Barnes are all in the free transfer list as well this summer, so there's scope for him to make something even more horrific

 

           Ings Barnes

Reid  Ndidi Skipp   Ayew

Young  Mee  Keane  Justin

           Begovic

 

Got rid of all that horrible youth, and got a lot more much needed Experience(TM ) in there. Oh, and Tom Heaton on the bench as well.

I understand David Seaman is available.

[Raj]

Dyche and Rudkin did some training together years ago and are good mates.

 

Dyche without Rudkin would be acceptable but with not with Rudkin at the helm.

[coolhandfox]

47 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Our owners are on the brink on bankruptcy and the club has been hemorrhaging money for years  and you think appointing one of the best managers at working with a shoe string makes no sense?

What metrics do you have to prove that? 

 

 

[FrankieADZ]

7 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Just to be clear I don't think Rohl is a bad option I just think dyche is better. 

 

I'm going to take the slightly controversial stance of partially ignoring his time at Everton and focusing on his time at Burnley, mainly because I think this relates more to the situation we find ourselves in now.

 

In his first year when he took over at Burnley they were struggling in the championship and in 15th after Eddie howe left them to join Bournemouth. Dyche comes in does a solid job they finish 11th.

 

In his first full season he makes just 1 permanent signing Ashley barnes for 400 k who is a young(ish) 24 year old striker who dosent come in until January. Despite this minimal spend they finish 2nd in the championship having lost only 5 games ( we lost 6 that season) scoring the 3rd highest amount of goals and conceding the least. In 1 full season in charge he turned a bottom half team into a promotion winning team.

 

They then spend minimally and get relegated ge next season however they then get promoted again next season after a 23 game undefeated streak with joint highest goals scored and second lowest goals conceded. In this time dyche has signed 23 year old tarkowski, 24 year old Andre gray and 22 year old michael Keane who were all young ish players with huge potential and resale value.

 

He then keeps Burnley up in 2016/17, whilst he does spend a bit more this season most of the players he brings in are 25 or younger with the most notable this year being 24 year old nick pope

 

In 17 / 18 Burnley make a net transfer profit. Dyche this year does bring in some older more experienced players in Cork and lennon but he also beings in 25 year old Chris wood from Leeds. Despite Burnley not spending hugely he takes Burnley and they finish 7 th that season. All on a shoe string budget

 

Over the next few years despite Burnley only having a shoe string budget compared to other teams who were finishing mid table (around 50 m total spend, compared to West ham who Burnley finished above twice in these next 3 years around 250 m total spend) they finished top half twice.

 

We need someone who can work with what he has and not need to spend loads to get success dyche showed he could do this fairly consistently over an extended period of time at Burnley whilst bringing in some promising younger players with resale value. 

 

Whilst Rohl has done a very good job at a basket case shefield Wednesday. They have finished 20th and 12th in his two seasons in both conceading  significantly more than they scored. Yes he has done a good job but it's only over a very short period and he hasn't made them especially defensively solid or especially potent atacking. He is also actively pushing to leave Sheffield Wednesday and this makes me worry he would do the same and throw his toys out the pram if we didn't give him money to spend which I don't think we will and we can't afford another manager that does that. ( yes I know some have been lied to and rudkin needs to go but that's not the point I'm making here)

good post with good points,

you should have included his time at Everton too, as thats more recent and points from his time there need to be considered too; 

 

one massive massive red flags is the fact Dyche and Rudkin are good friends, and given the state of the club atm, this is certainly going to cloud Rudkin's judgement if things are going woeful etc

[FrankieADZ]

51 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Our owners are on the brink on bankruptcy and the club has been hemorrhaging money for years  and you think appointing one of the best managers at working with a shoe string makes no sense?

well atm we dont have a shoe string do we,

we need a manager who will given the YTS lad a go, whos worked in that area etc

and im not just talking about 5 mins here and there either

 

[Outfox the Fox]

https://saintsmarching.com/saints-fans-laugh-after-hearing-leicester-city-s-manager-decision

 

Says it all, really. If we go for Dyche, we'll be the laughing stock of Southampton - and most other - fans!

[AjcW]

Could just have a pause to be honest.

The only way anything happens this week is if we've sold someone (BEK for example), thus freeing up the cash to fire and hire.

[izzymuzzet]

8 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Just to be clear I don't think Rohl is a bad option I just think dyche is better. 

 

I'm going to take the slightly controversial stance of partially ignoring his time at Everton and focusing on his time at Burnley, mainly because I think this relates more to the situation we find ourselves in now.

 

In his first year when he took over at Burnley they were struggling in the championship and in 15th after Eddie howe left them to join Bournemouth. Dyche comes in does a solid job they finish 11th.

 

In his first full season he makes just 1 permanent signing Ashley barnes for 400 k who is a young(ish) 24 year old striker who dosent come in until January. Despite this minimal spend they finish 2nd in the championship having lost only 5 games ( we lost 6 that season) scoring the 3rd highest amount of goals and conceding the least. In 1 full season in charge he turned a bottom half team into a promotion winning team.

 

They then spend minimally and get relegated ge next season however they then get promoted again next season after a 23 game undefeated streak with joint highest goals scored and second lowest goals conceded. In this time dyche has signed 23 year old tarkowski, 24 year old Andre gray and 22 year old michael Keane who were all young ish players with huge potential and resale value.

 

He then keeps Burnley up in 2016/17, whilst he does spend a bit more this season most of the players he brings in are 25 or younger with the most notable this year being 24 year old nick pope

 

In 17 / 18 Burnley make a net transfer profit. Dyche this year does bring in some older more experienced players in Cork and lennon but he also beings in 25 year old Chris wood from Leeds. Despite Burnley not spending hugely he takes Burnley and they finish 7 th that season. All on a shoe string budget

 

Over the next few years despite Burnley only having a shoe string budget compared to other teams who were finishing mid table (around 50 m total spend, compared to West ham who Burnley finished above twice in these next 3 years around 250 m total spend) they finished top half twice.

 

We need someone who can work with what he has and not need to spend loads to get success dyche showed he could do this fairly consistently over an extended period of time at Burnley whilst bringing in some promising younger players with resale value. 

 

Whilst Rohl has done a very good job at a basket case shefield Wednesday. They have finished 20th and 12th in his two seasons in both conceading  significantly more than they scored. Yes he has done a good job but it's only over a very short period and he hasn't made them especially defensively solid or especially potent atacking. He is also actively pushing to leave Sheffield Wednesday and this makes me worry he would do the same and throw his toys out the pram if we didn't give him money to spend which I don't think we will and we can't afford another manager that does that. ( yes I know some have been lied to and rudkin needs to go but that's not the point I'm making here)

This all sounds great. The problem is most of the highlights were a decade or more ago. The last 5 or 6 years of Dyche's career are less impressive. I'd prefer a younger manager on an upwards trajectory.