League One - Who manages us?

[GrobyLCFC31]

One view is that he’s had time away from the game to analyse, reflect and review his previous two jobs and we hope and pray to get a Russ Martin with fire in his belly ready to prove a point! 
 

I remember Sean Dyche saying that he became a better manager after being sacked because he had time to refresh and breathe without the pressures of being in the game. 

He’s played youth previously at MK dons, Swansea and Southampton and his Brendan/Man City playing style is right up Top’s street! 🙄

 

One things for certain, we’d need a lot of player turnover because I can’t see many of the current mob being able to play the way he’d want us to. 

 

Edited Sunday at 21:41 by GrobyLCFC31

[BlueBus]

I simply cannot believe this is true.

 

I know everyone involved with the club has no interest in what the fans have to say but come on, why would you pick a manager you know isn't going to get support from the fans, it's beyond tone deaf. 

 

Baffles me why they treat Southampton as such a well-oiled machine that we should take all their players and management. We're 0 from 4 with Bertrand, Vestegaard, Glover and Aribo in terms of successes. 

[Tielemans63]

Please Top, just ****ing buy Southampton and have done with it.

 

It's a ****ing embarrassment if we're going for another of their cast-offs. Top and Jon, not a brain cell between them.

 

Happy to be quoted in the future if I'm wrong; Martin will be a disaster. The fans will hate him from Day 1. His style of football will be shite and it won't work in League 1.

[chuck'em]

20 minutes ago, BlueBus said:

I simply cannot believe this is true.

 

I know everyone involved with the club has no interest in what the fans have to say but come on, why would you pick a manager you know isn't going to get support from the fans, it's beyond tone deaf. 

 

Baffles me why they treat Southampton as such a well-oiled machine that we should take all their players and management. We're 0 from 4 with Bertrand, Vestegaard, Glover and Aribo in terms of successes. 

Surely the fact that we keep going to Southampton makes this more and not less likely. Also, 2 years ago we employed Steve Cooper. They knew that wouldn't be popular with the fans but still went ahead. They don't give a shit what any of us think

[ian__marshall]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

That season had many mid / lower championship teams parking the bus and 'respecting' possession football too much. He had a team of riches that far surpassed those around him and his team made a meal of it. The Championship this season saw much less of that with the mid tier sides playing more aggressively. 

 

It was a 1-0 over a Leeds team that had collapsed at the end of that season. Well done for doing it, but he couldn't have played them at a better time.

 

He went into a PL season ludicrously playing a system that got them annihilated, showing no self awareness or adaptability.  He then went to Rangers and completely messed it up.

 

The most worrying part for me is that he plays a style that exposes any fragility in the defence. He is like Brendan on Steroids passing sideways at the back inviting the press. We actually played less of that this season (still a bit mind you) but it was the worst part of our game. When the players he works with cant play his system (including Rangers) - he simply throws them under a bus.

As per my previous post not a huge fan of RM but for balance, they got relegated the season prior with an awful team who had all the hallmarks of a Nathan Jones side so I wouldn't describe them as a team of riches. Yes, a lot of those players cost decent money, but that doesn't necessarily equate to good Championship players as we have discovered this season. He got a very average group in terms of technical ability playing some decent football at times. 

 

With regards to Leeds, for context they beat Leeds 3 times over the course of the season, whilst we lost twice, so not exactly a fluke in the final. 

 

I'd agree that he stuck to his guns in the PL much to his detriment, and that could well be a concern longer term if he somehow managed to return us to that level, but a) he's acknowledged that with hindsight he was too loyal to the group and felt they had earned the right to have a crack at the PL when maybe he should have made more changes, b) it was his first time managing at that level, c) I'd snap your hand off right now to be faced with the dilemma of whether he could keep us in the PL. 

 

The Rangers spell was weird. Started calling out the players far too early on in my opinion, then lost the group so was a dead man walking. I think if he hadn't done that then he'd have probably gone on to do quite well as I just think he needed time to get his ideas across. 

 

As I said before, he wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but again I do think we could do a lot worse given the clowns making the decisions. 

 

Edited Sunday at 22:26 by ian__marshall

[Long Eaton Fox]

How do we stand with what type of manager we choose. An experienced Dyche type, a potential winner/loser type like Martin or a newby like Fuchs. Maybe an unknown from overseas. I really don't know.

[TonyN11]

Just now, Long Eaton Fox said:

How do we stand with what type of manager we choose. An experienced Dyche type, a potential winner/loser type like Martin or a newby like Fuchs. Maybe an unknown from overseas. I really don't know.

I would go with 'I really don't know' 

[moore_94]

His Southampton side were tactically one of the worst sides we played that season

 

We took the piss and battered them in both games

 

If his chosen tactic doesn't work then he hasn't got a clue, and will throw the blame at his players as well

[jv1]

5 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

His Southampton side were tactically one of the worst sides we played that season

 

We took the piss and battered them in both games

 

If his chosen tactic doesn't work then he hasn't got a clue, and will throw the blame at his players as well

Kind of true however they came out and tried to play and score against us and that season we were just better at that than them - we really struggles against a low block under maresca- I could look at it in a way that at least they tried to play and have a go - we were just better at it with that team - they were better at it than 19 other teams in the league that season which is why they got promoted 

[BillyFOX12]

RM is dogshit.

[It'sblueupnorth]

The only positive I can think of with Martin is that it will be over quickly. Was always going to happen and it won't happen again

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, jv1 said:

Kind of true however they came out and tried to play and score against us and that season we were just better at that than them - we really struggles against a low block under maresca- I could look at it in a way that at least they tried to play and have a go - we were just better at it with that team - they were better at it than 19 other teams in the league that season which is why they got promoted 

He then had them well on course for being the worst Prem side in history, even after being given a lot of money to spend to improve his squad

 

He then got sacked at Rangers for being their worst ever manager

 

I don't see him being the kind of manager who will go away and learn from his mistakes either

 

Whoever hires him next (hopefully not us but knowing our clowns in charge it probably will be) will know exactly the way it is going to go

[jv1]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

He then had them well on course for being the worst Prem side in history, even after being given a lot of money to spend to improve his squad

 

He then got sacked at Rangers for being their worst ever manager

 

I don't see him being the kind of manager who will go away and learn from his mistakes either

 

Whoever hires him next (hopefully not us but knowing our clowns in charge it probably will be) will know exactly the way it is going to go

So iv no skin in the game with Martin at all - I get the criticism - the rangers thing was unforgivable and it’s a long way back for anyone after that BUT he wouldn’t be the first guy to just not fit in one place and it goes horribly horribly wrong quickly - the English prem bit I can live with completely- I think we need to remind ourselves we are in league 1 - so not succeeding in the prem is no yard stick to bash him with at all 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 hours ago, adam said:

Martin couldn't win a game at rangers. What makes you think he would of done better than Marti? 

I think his results show he has done more in the Championship than Marti, he certainly didn’t get relegated. Problem with Cifuentes is he didn’t have a plan A let alone a plan b!

[HankMarvin]

32 minutes ago, BillyFOX12 said:

RM is dogshit.

So are we that’s why we are in league one 

[jv1]

13 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

So are we that’s why we are in league one 

Correct 

[adam]

22 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I think his results show he has done more in the Championship than Marti, he certainly didn’t get relegated. Problem with Cifuentes is he didn’t have a plan A let alone a plan b!

And Martin has one plan and one plan only, which will not work in league one or with our fan base.He also doesn't seem to have the character that will repair the attitude in the squad and he will be on a big wage.  I can't believe people are willing to give him a go. Id honestly rather keep Rowett. 

Edited Sunday at 23:26 by adam

[Sankey93]

13 minutes ago, adam said:

And Martin has one plan and one plan only, which will not work in league one or with our fan base.He also doesn't seem to have the character that will repair the attitude in the squad and he will be on a big wage.  I can't believe people are willing to give him a go. Id honestly rather keep Rowett. 

Keeping Rowett would be a disaster! You say his football won’t work but haven’t bham and Cardiff recently played possession based football and got out the division ?

[LCFCCHRIS]

Sacked in early December with Leicester sitting 14th

[Vindaloo FOX]

3 hours ago, Stadt said:

Martin gets sacked at every club he’s at fairly quickly. We can’t afford the compensation if (when) it all goes to

pot.

Not a fan of RM but this is not true,

 

Didn't get sacked at Swansea and MK Dons.

 

He's not who I want but I will give the man a chance, everyone deserves that.

 

He does like giving youth players a chance, this is certainly something we will be needing next season, hopefully he can develop and improve them, but also this is where I have my doubts.

[1972 Fox]

3 hours ago, moore_94 said:

If his chosen tactic doesn't work then he hasn't got a clue, and will throw the blame at his players as well

Those traits will make him Brendan Rodgers MKII.

 

Don't want him anywhere near our club.

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, jv1 said:

Kind of true however they came out and tried to play and score against us and that season we were just better at that than them - we really struggles against a low block under maresca- I could look at it in a way that at least they tried to play and have a go - we were just better at it with that team - they were better at it than 19 other teams in the league that season which is why they got promoted 

Yeah but that’s precisely the point. Martin will play the same tactic again and again and again. He doesn’t change. Hence the whole Rangers debacle which is very comparable to the situation he would have here. 
 

Personality wise he’s also insufferable. 

[LCFCJohn]

Sorry, anyone actually justifying Martin, you are wrong.

 

We need someone who can reset the standards on the pitch. Build a side that can defend, fitness, mentally tougher. These have been the reasons for our decline. Martin would do none of this and we will see the same old. We will end up paying out more compensation.

[ClaphamFox]

4 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Yeah but that’s precisely the point. Martin will play the same tactic again and again and again. He doesn’t change. Hence the whole Rangers debacle which is very comparable to the situation he would have here. 
 

Personality wise he’s also insufferable. 

I remember seeing an interview with Martin when he was being linked with us last summer before he joined Rangers. He was saying that he’d learned from his mistakes at Southampton and would be more pragmatic in future. Then he went to Rangers, tried to play exactly the same way, lost the dressing room immediately and was sacked after 123 days. 
 

The problem with Martin is not that he favours possession football—most teams that get promoted from League One seek to dominate the ball. The problem is that the type of possession football he favours is the highest risk version there is. He likes both full backs to play high or invert, which results in the centre halves getting split wide open with the keeper acting as a third centre half. This means that when possession is lost, the team is already spread across the pitch, making it vulnerable to transition. His refusal to allow his players to play longer balls means they’re constantly receiving the ball in tight areas and trying to pass through the press, which demands a huge amount of technical ability and 100% concentration the entire game. When one player has a poor touch or misses a pass, the whole structure collapses.

 

We’ve just been relegated (again) with a team that on paper should have done much better but were undone by horrendous defensive fragility—and defensive fragility is the defining characteristic of Martin’s teams. I can’t imagine the club actually wants us to remain a defensive basket case, so if they really do want Martin it must be because he’s assured them he’ll be more pragmatic in future. But do we really want to take a punt on a manager who has never shown any inclination to change his approach on the basis that he might somehow find it within himself to do so with us?

 

On the plus side, it still seems to be only Nixon reporting this—and he’s about as reliable as a Russell Martin-coached defence. 

Edited Monday at 08:52 by ClaphamFox

[fox_favourite]

Let's hope it is all just rumours and no truth in it. 

 

He will fail and we'll have to sack ANOTHER manager in under 6 months. 

 

This club is a disaster.