What grinds my gears...

[SystonFox]

The million Leicester city fans on Facebook (and some on here) convinced Vardy would’ve been a better option in last nights game than Rashford. Now I don’t know if he would or wouldn’t, we don’t know if he’s fit or not but for Leicester fans to be slating Southgate for not bringing on Vardy is bizarre. I genuinely don’t believe he would’ve made too much of a difference anyway.

 

 

[David Guiza]

Football snob alert, BUT: Colleagues, who previously have shown zero interest in football, dissecting the performance last night makes me want to pull each tooth out individually. 

[urban.spaceman]

This sort of petty nonsense. 

 

If they’re going to be that petty then they’ve missed the U20s and U17s doing it last year. 

 

Hang on, no, wait. That’s sexist. 

 

[Xen]

1 hour ago, SystonFox said:

The million Leicester city fans on Facebook (and some on here) convinced Vardy would’ve been a better option in last nights game than Rashford. Now I don’t know if he would or wouldn’t, we don’t know if he’s fit or not but for Leicester fans to be slating Southgate for not bringing on Vardy is bizarre. I genuinely don’t believe he would’ve made too much of a difference anyway.

 

 

Vardy would have perhaps been useful when Croatia were chasing the game and there was space up the pitch.

 

Useless bringing him on for 15 minutes against a side defending a 1-goal lead in a WC semi, though. Zero space for him to work in.

 

If anything, I'd perhaps have brought Cahill on and pushed Maguire/Stones up as much as possible for balls into the box. Shame Trippier had to limp off injured though.

[Footballwipe]

3 hours ago, David Guiza said:

Football snob alert, BUT: Colleagues, who previously have shown zero interest in football, dissecting the performance last night makes me want to pull each tooth out individually. 

Yep

 

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

This sort of petty nonsense. 

 

If they’re going to be that petty then they’ve missed the U20s and U17s doing it last year. 

 

Hang on, no, wait. That’s sexist. 

 

YES! Drives me insane, this. Also disappointing to see the official Channel 4 account getting involved with this sort of absolute buffoonery on here, too.

 

Of course, notwithstanding their embarrassing miss of the younger age teams, this type of talk it probably more likely to set those you want to capture into being behind the women's game against you than for you.

 

Baffling that this sort of thing has any kind of popular support, though I'll go out on a stereotyping whim and say any male or female agreeing with this doesn't like football.

[murphy]

4 hours ago, SystonFox said:

The million Leicester city fans on Facebook (and some on here) convinced Vardy would’ve been a better option in last nights game than Rashford. Now I don’t know if he would or wouldn’t, we don’t know if he’s fit or not but for Leicester fans to be slating Southgate for not bringing on Vardy is bizarre. I genuinely don’t believe he would’ve made too much of a difference anyway.

 

 

Well I'll spell it out for you then.

 

THe only thing that troubled Croatia last night was pace which Vardy has to burn.  We were dominated for large parts of the second half last night meaning that a quick counter attack specialist like Vardy would have bee ideal to nick a goal, relieve pressure or at least have them dropping deeper.

 

Quite a simple concept and quite a reasonable argument I would have thought.  What a strange thing to take exception to.

[AKCJ]

11 minutes ago, murphy said:

Well I'll spell it out for you then.

 

THe only thing that troubled Croatia last night was pace which Vardy has to burn.  We were dominated for large parts of the second half last night meaning that a quick counter attack specialist like Vardy would have bee ideal to nick a goal, relieve pressure or at least have them dropping deeper.

 

Quite a simple concept and quite a reasonable argument I would have thought.  What a strange thing to take exception to.

Rashford is just as fast as Vardy.

[murphy]

13 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Rashford is just as fast as Vardy.

Hmmm... not sure about that.  Of the 20 fastest recorded players in the prem last year, Vardy was 11th.  Rashford does not feature in the top 20.

 

..But that's not the point,  you could just as well argue that Rashford was the right sub.  OP took exception to the idea of Leicester fans promoting Vardy's cause.  Seems perfectly reasonable to me.  THe game seemed to be crying out for him in the second half.

 

THe difference between the two is that Vardy is a counter attack specialist.  Running into space behind the defence at speed is meat and drink for him.  He's been doing it for years.  United play in a different way.

 

 

Edited 12 July 2018 by murphy

[SystonFox]

26 minutes ago, murphy said:

Well I'll spell it out for you then.

 

THe only thing that troubled Croatia last night was pace which Vardy has to burn.  We were dominated for large parts of the second half last night meaning that a quick counter attack specialist like Vardy would have bee ideal to nick a goal, relieve pressure or at least have them dropping deeper.

 

Quite a simple concept and quite a reasonable argument I would have thought.  What a strange thing to take exception to.

I don’t think you understand my point. I’m not arguing whether Vardy is or isn’t the right person to do the job last night..... that’s not my beef. Too many people slating Southgate afterwards saying he *should* have brought Vardy on. He didn’t bring him on. Stop your Leicester city bias and just accept it for what it is. That’s all I’m getting at

[murphy]

11 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

I don’t think you understand my point. I’m not arguing whether Vardy is or isn’t the right person to do the job last night..... that’s not my beef. Too many people slating Southgate afterwards saying he *should* have brought Vardy on. He didn’t bring him on. Stop your Leicester city bias and just accept it for what it is. That’s all I’m getting at

No. I think I do.  You could argue whichever sub would or wouldn't have been appropriate, but as you say, you are irritated by people arguing for Vardy.  I'm not  saying that Vardy was the right sub for the second half (although personally I think he was), all I'm saying is that it is a perfectly reasonable argument to put forward.

[Samilktray]

Vardy probably wasnt even fit enough to play any major role, i'm surprised he even got on 

[Xen]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

No. I think I do.  You could argue whichever sub would or wouldn't have been appropriate, but as you say, you are irritated by people arguing for Vardy.  I'm not  saying that Vardy was the right sub for the second half (although personally I think he was), all I'm saying is that it is a perfectly reasonable argument to put forward.

I think the actual issue is the way in which those pro-Vardy arguments are being presented.

 

We're all on the same page that would have been both pros and cons to JV coming on, but it seems like the fans comments are a touch vitriolic when there's really no need. Saying Southgate *should* have brought Vardy on, as if its a fact that it would have helped, is needless. After we've just had (still having!) our most succesful tournament in decades it seems a bit bizarre for people to berate the coach as such for something so minor.

[The Doctor]

On 10/07/2018 at 22:46, Carl the Llama said:

Using reductive phrases for comic effect in media when it makes the ensuing joke mean the opposite of what was intended.

 

Case in point I'm watching an episode of Jessica Jones where Jess and Trish are getting ready to track down a potentially super-powered individual and the subject of protection arises so Trish fetches an SMG and asks "too much?"  Jessica responds "not unless you're going grocery shopping in Texas" (lol).  Taken out of context any linguistically competent person would interpret the joke as her saying "no, the SMG isn't too much, unless you were planning on some mundane event like going to the shops in peaceful Texas".  

So, it's just me who'd interpret that as a joke about how America has a rather unhealthy relationship with guns straight off, rather than about it being a mundane event?

[SystonFox]

2 hours ago, Xen said:

I think the actual issue is the way in which those pro-Vardy arguments are being presented.

 

We're all on the same page that would have been both pros and cons to JV coming on, but it seems like the fans comments are a touch vitriolic when there's really no need. Saying Southgate *should* have brought Vardy on, as if its a fact that it would have helped, is needless. After we've just had (still having!) our most succesful tournament in decades it seems a bit bizarre for people to berate the coach as such for something so minor.

Spot on.

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, The Doctor said:

So, it's just me who'd interpret that as a joke about how America has a rather unhealthy relationship with guns straight off, rather than about it being a mundane event?

No, obviously not, obviously that's the gist of the intended joke. Literally speaking though that's not what her words mean, as I explained in that post.

[Stadt]

People that retweet others wishing them a happy birthday, we already know you self indulgent twat.

[Alf Bentley]

People that swap perfectly good usernames for Germanic usernames to confuse us - such as Wookie becoming Stadt.

 

I still haven't got my head round someone ditching a great username like KingGTF for Kopfkino.... 

[Mike Oxlong]

3 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

People that swap perfectly good usernames for Germanic usernames to confuse us - such as Wookie becoming Stadt.

 

I still haven't got my head round someone ditching a great username like KingGTF for Kopfkino.... 

Ditching my plan to switch to Mikhail Grosswurst now 

[Alf Bentley]

1 minute ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Ditching my plan to switch to Mikhail Grosswurst now 

 

How about "Ich Bin Ein Wiener" instead?

[bovril]

Might go for Fleisch Extrakt 

[srbfox]

The Misses!!!!!!!!!

[bovril]

6 minutes ago, srbfox said:

The Misses!!!!!!!!!

I know what you mean. I've been thinking about Kane's chance all day. 

[urban.spaceman]

11 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

Yep

 

YES! Drives me insane, this. Also disappointing to see the official Channel 4 account getting involved with this sort of absolute buffoonery on here, too.

 

Of course, notwithstanding their embarrassing miss of the younger age teams, this type of talk it probably more likely to set those you want to capture into being behind the women's game against you than for you.

 

Baffling that this sort of thing has any kind of popular support, though I'll go out on a stereotyping whim and say any male or female agreeing with this doesn't like football.

 

It's the second tweet that pisses me off the most, mainly because of the hashtag. Sort of implying that if you don't commit women's football trivia to memory you're some sort of misogynist bigot. There's plenty of reasons it's less popular than the men's sport and they're all pretty valid. These are also the same types of people that would complain that if you did watch women's football you were only doing it to objectify women.

 

Channel 4 should be steering well clear of this sort of politics but sadly it's popular with loud idiots on social media.

[ozleicester]

The over use/misuse of the word "turgid"

 

enough alflvckingready

[ozleicester]

Ivor Bigun

 

Svetty Balzak

Edited 13 July 2018 by ozleicester