Dan Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 It's worth taking note that there are four stages of qualifying before in the CONCACAF region, all have entered by the time you get to the third where 12 teams are whittled down to the six that play the last round. 35 entrants in total and only 3 guaranteed a place at the finals. I think that's fair enough. To say it is "impossible" for the States to not qualify is rubbish and is no more true than saying it is impossible for Spain or Brazil to qualify. In fact the States were starring down the barrel of going out in the last game of the third stage this time last year, they needed get a result against Guatemala who had already managed a point against the States in the first game, or they would of been out, and they went 1-0 after 5 minutes and had to turn the game around. You've got the question the States there for me. Guatemala Jesus wept.... Hahaha, sucks to be Welsh. Just cannot get my head round that.
RowlattsFox Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 Is there a reason why it is South America v Asia and concacaf v Oceania in the play offs? Or is it just so the two strongest sections have the best chance of qualifying? Uruguay v Mexico would have been fun.
Aus Fox Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 As we move forward in world football, and have players playing all over the world already, does anyone think lit is possible to get rid of the zones for World Cup qualifying and have all teams qualifying together? It seems a long shot at the minute and England playing away in New Zealand wouldn't be ideal but it could ensure the best 32 nations qualify regardless of geographical location.
purpleronnie Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 As we move forward in world football, and have players playing all over the world already, does anyone think lit is possible to get rid of the zones for World Cup qualifying and have all teams qualifying together? It seems a long shot at the minute and England playing away in New Zealand wouldn't be ideal but it could ensure the best 32 nations qualify regardless of geographical location. I mentioned it ealier, I love the idea, I guess the problem is you could end up with just european countries in the WORLD cup.
Guest MattP Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 I mentioned it ealier, I love the idea, I guess the problem is you could end up with just european countries in the WORLD cup. So be it, if they are the best teams thats what should happen. As we move forward in world football, and have players playing all over the world already, does anyone think lit is possible to get rid of the zones for World Cup qualifying and have all teams qualifying together? It seems a long shot at the minute and England playing away in New Zealand wouldn't be ideal but it could ensure the best 32 nations qualify regardless of geographical location. It would be ridiculous to be honest, you get enough uproar with the players going to Ukraine, can you imagine how Fiji and New Zeland would go down? It's worth taking note that there are four stages of qualifying before in the CONCACAF region, all have entered by the time you get to the third where 12 teams are whittled down to the six that play the last round. 35 entrants in total and only 3 guaranteed a place at the finals. I think that's fair enough. To say it is "impossible" for the States to not qualify is rubbish and is no more true than saying it is impossible for Spain or Brazil to qualify. In fact the States were starring down the barrel of going out in the last game of the third stage this time last year, they needed get a result against Guatemala who had already managed a point against the States in the first game, or they would of been out, and they went 1-0 after 5 minutes and had to turn the game around. The early rounds of that are a joke, we are talking a lot of sides who would get beaten by San Marino. About time they almalgamated the Americas and give them 7-8 spots, lets see Mexico and the USA fight it out with Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay etc for those last couple of spots.
GingerrrFox Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 The OFC is an absolute joke of qualifying.
Stadt Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 There should be a preliminary qualifying round before the actual qualifying because the best well better teams will fill more places.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 14 November 2013 Posted 14 November 2013 The OFC is an absolute joke of qualifying. Which is why they are only given a half qualifying spot. Whilst the best 32 teams don't always qualify, if you can't qualify you obviously aren't good enough to win it.
Jordan Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 The early rounds of that are a joke, we are talking a lot of sides who would get beaten by San Marino.San Marino playing in a final group stage is a joke. CONCACAF's early rounds that weed out the minnows and forces them to advance on merit is perfectly fine by me.About time they almalgamated the Americas and give them 7-8 spots, lets see Mexico and the USA fight it out with Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay etc for those last couple of spots.CONCACAF only has 3.5 spots at the World Cup, this is hardly a big deal, and I'm sure CONMEBOL is fine with the set-up as is. You're proposing to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 San Marino playing in a final group stage is a joke. CONCACAF's early rounds that weed out the minnows and forces them to advance on merit is perfectly fine by me. CONCACAF only has 3.5 spots at the World Cup, this is hardly a big deal, and I'm sure CONMEBOL is fine with the set-up as is. You're proposing to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Asia does the same
leicsmac Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 San Marino playing in a final group stage is a joke. CONCACAF's early rounds that weed out the minnows and forces them to advance on merit is perfectly fine by me. CONCACAF only has 3.5 spots at the World Cup, this is hardly a big deal, and I'm sure CONMEBOL is fine with the set-up as is. You're proposing to fix a problem that doesn't exist. I wouldn't mind the idea of early rounds in UEFA qualifying. Every other continent does it, why not Europe? And I agree 3.5 places for CONCACAF is reasonable given the amount of teams taking part, and there's no need to mix the North and South American groups. That being said, I still think the final group stage for CONCACAF is a bit messed up as (like I said before) it allows for extreme screwups and still being able to get through. To qualify for the World Cup you should have to be consistently good throughout every qualifying stage. That's why I suggested two groups of 6 for the final 12, with top teams qualifying and 2nd place finishers playing off against each other for the final spot. Perhaps an international playoff for the loser of that match? Would give the best teams more of a challenge and punish bad campaigns more effectively.
Finnegan Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 It isn't broke, leave it alone. If you object to the odd Jamaica or New Zealand qualifying then you're missing the point of the WC in the first place and I've no idea why you bother.
leicsmac Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 It isn't broke, leave it alone. If you object to the odd Jamaica or New Zealand qualifying then you're missing the point of the WC in the first place and I've no idea why you bother.I don't object to smaller teams qualifying, in fact I would hope that changing the qualifying groups round in the way I put would actually help them by adding some unpredictability and making sure big teams that mess up their campaigns are punished for it by losing their chance to qualify.Mind you, you could say it would instead make it easier for the top teams as with more matches they would be more consistent...but at least they would earn it more.
shen Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 San Marino playing in a final group stage is a joke. CONCACAF's early rounds that weed out the minnows and forces them to advance on merit is perfectly fine by me. CONCACAF only has 3.5 spots at the World Cup, this is hardly a big deal, and I'm sure CONMEBOL is fine with the set-up as is. You're proposing to fix a problem that doesn't exist. That depends how you look at it. Compare it to the number of countries competing in Oceania and it's hardly fair at all. And frankly, half of the teams in Concacaf are comparable in level...
Aus Fox Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 I mentioned it ealier, I love the idea, I guess the problem is you could end up with just european countries in the WORLD cup. I think if it was the top 32 in the world Brazil and Argentina would always qualify the rest would be split but I don't think you would have more than 16 teams from Europe would qualify. It would be interesting to see who people thought were the top 32 sides in the world, ignoring the rankings. I would put Japan as the only Asian side the top 5 sides in South America would all be there, USA, Ivory Coast, Ghana... Not sure who else
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 So be it, if they are the best teams thats what should happen. It would be ridiculous to be honest, you get enough uproar with the players going to Ukraine, can you imagine how Fiji and New Zeland would go down? The early rounds of that are a joke, we are talking a lot of sides who would get beaten by San Marino. About time they almalgamated the Americas and give them 7-8 spots, lets see Mexico and the USA fight it out with Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay etc for those last couple of spots. Not in the third stage we aren't. Disagree it's fine how it is, there'd be an arguement if it weren't for the fact the States and Mexico consistantley get out of the group stage
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 I think if it was the top 32 in the world Brazil and Argentina would always qualify the rest would be split but I don't think you would have more than 16 teams from Europe would qualify. It would be interesting to see who people thought were the top 32 sides in the world, ignoring the rankings. I would put Japan as the only Asian side the top 5 sides in South America would all be there, USA, Ivory Coast, Ghana... Not sure who else It depends on how strong the sides in Europe are at the time but,in general, I do, the 12 already qualified would piss international qualifying and your telling me the likes of Portugal, Sweden, Ukraine, Croatia and France would struggle? Think not. More likely to have about 20 teams from Europe if you amalgamate qualifying.
Kitchandro Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 I think the qualifying is fine. These minnows might be well out of their depth but that's not FIFA's fault. They're just shit footballing nations. That's what qualifying is for, separating the wheat from the chaff. Or separating the shit from the really shit at least. They're always going to be out of their depth but some of them obviously cause problems for bigger nations occasionally, hence why some have struggled to qualify. The only answer is to make the world cup smaller, but I love it the way it is. You need the odd minnows to make it what it is. I really don't get the issue tbh. Who should have qualified who hasn't?
Donut Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 The idea to expand the world cup wouldnt be such a bad idea if more places were given to better teams qualifying for the world cup. What i mean by that is, instead of losing one of the worlds best players like a Zlatan or Ronaldo, opening more places up to European nations would ensure that the extra teams within the tournament are sufficiently able to ''add'' quality and excitement to the tournament. And im not just talking exclusively about Europe, but in the context of the playoffs we will definitely lose Portugal or Sweden, France or Ukraine for example. In both cases, the losing team in these playoff games I believe would have added something to the world cup tournament. If the plans are to have more Jordans, Uzbekistans and lord knows who else, this is not a positive move.
Bryn Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 I had a dream last night that England played a friendly and opened up the squad to people who were of dual nationality were called up to test the water. Kasper Schmeichel started in goal, Andy King bagged the first goal and for some reason David Nugent also played and scored a second goal.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 I think if it was the top 32 in the world Brazil and Argentina would always qualify the rest would be split but I don't think you would have more than 16 teams from Europe would qualify. It would be interesting to see who people thought were the top 32 sides in the world, ignoring the rankings. I would put Japan as the only Asian side the top 5 sides in South America would all be there, USA, Ivory Coast, Ghana... Not sure who else Nigeria.
Dan Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 Unpopular I know but the idea of seeding doesn't sit right with me personally. The cream will rise to the top if they're that good.
ScouseFox Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 France 1-0 down. Dangerous. Ronnie v Ibra been pretty boring so far, barely a touch of the ball between them.
21st Century Fox Posted 15 November 2013 Posted 15 November 2013 Yeah Sweden are playing ridiculously deep, you couldn't slip a sheet of paper between the defence and midfield. Ibra's totally isolated upfront. I guess they're playing for the draw but there's the off chance of some Ibra magic. Hope Sweden do it.
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