European Election Results

[leicsmac]

Yawn.

Do some research on how an Energy company is run.

Oh and if you're not happy with the Big 6's prices, change supplier, there is more than enough competition.

 

My apologies for touching a nerve.

 

It's just that you see them raising prices in line with each other each winter like clockwork and it does lead to some assumptions regarding the absence of competition. Is it really the case that the costs of transporting, supplying and maintaining infrastructure rise for each company in a way that means costs go up almost identically like clockwork year on year? Or is it just inflation-related?

 

You are right in that the smaller companies outside the Big Six seem to be getting more a foothold in the market these days, though.

[Ross-Kemp]

My apologies for touching a nerve.

It's just that you see them raising prices in line with each other each winter like clockwork and it does lead to some assumptions regarding the absence of competition. Is it really the case that the costs of transporting, supplying and maintaining infrastructure rise for each company in a way that means costs go up almost identically like clockwork year on year? Or is it just inflation-related?

You are right in that the smaller companies outside the Big Six seem to be getting more a foothold in the market these days, though.

There is plenty of competition out there, trust me.

Gas & Electricity is purchased in advance, wholesale costs dictate the price paid because each company that generates it's own power has to sell it back and then re-buy it.

The smaller companies will only take a certain amount of customers.

Take OVO for example, they don't have to pay any of the social bits and bobs such as Warm

home discount and ECO (energy company obligation) so they're able to offer very low prices.

However when they hit the threshold and they have to pay these extra fees, there prices will rocket.

[Bryn]

Keep going son. When soon you realise that it's only far left raging socialists believing this and it's not actually stopping any UKIP potential voters you might start arguing on policy. (well, let's be honest you won't, as just like Cleggy you'll lose as it's indefensible in it's current form)

Anyone who wants an isolated country with no public services run by patent bigots is thick as pigshit.

UKIP will get stuffed in the General. The enlightened but apathetic amongst the 65% (sixty five ****ing percent) who couldn't be ****ed voting won't vote UKIP.

[leicsmac]

There is plenty of competition out there, trust me.

Gas & Electricity is purchased in advance, wholesale costs dictate the price paid because each company that generates it's own power has to sell it back and then re-buy it.

The smaller companies will only take a certain amount of customers.

Take OVO for example, they don't have to pay any of the social bits and bobs such as Warm

home discount and ECO (energy company obligation) so they're able to offer very low prices.

However when they hit the threshold and they have to pay these extra fees, there prices will rocket.

 

So they're pretty subject to the whims of another market as far as the wholesale costs go?

 

Sounds like it's the gas and electricity multinational extracting companies that sell their product to the UK energy companies that could well be coining it, then.

 

It seems that many people are going for the smaller companies on account of those low prices and that's why they're getting that bigger market share, but as you said as they get bigger increased infrastructure costs and the extra stuff you mentioned means they will become very much like they bigger companies.

[WhatsHisName]

When you look at the latest polls you can see how badly the LDs are doing and how well UKIP are:

 CON 29%, LAB 31%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 17%   http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

 

[Guest MattP]

Anyone who wants an isolated country with no public services run by patent bigots is thick as pigshit.

UKIP will get stuffed in the General. The enlightened but apathetic amongst the 65% (sixty five ****ing percent) who couldn't be ****ed voting won't vote UKIP.

 

Isolated? Why would us leaving the EU make us that? There is no credible evidence for that, every other country in the World not in the EU isn't islolated, we weren't isolated before we joined, we wouldn't be if we left, no public services? Explain to me what you mean, you seem to know more about UKIP than even themselves.

 

65% eh! How enlighted of them not to turn up and vote, bravo. People who want Ed Balls back in charge of the countries credit card and call them enlighted, fcuking hell Bryn.

 

Will they get stuffed in the general? I doubt it, they obviously won't win more than a handful of seats but you would expect them to be able to save a deposit everywhere,. I suppose it depends on your definition of stuffed, I'd say a party outside the top three gaining anymore than 5% of the vote is generally a exceptional performance.

 

Most voters I'm sure will go back to the Tories, it's far too important not to let Labour ruin what we have going at the minute.

 

Who do you vote for enlighted one?

[Strokes]

Isolated? Why would us leaving the EU make us that? There is no credible evidence for that, every other country in the World not in the EU isn't islolated, we weren't isolated before we joined, we wouldn't be if we left, no public services? Explain to me what you mean, you seem to know more about UKIP than even themselves.

65% eh! How enlighted of them not to turn up and vote, bravo. People who want Ed Balls back in charge of the countries credit card and call them enlighted, fcuking hell Bryn.

Will they get stuffed in the general? I doubt it, they obviously won't win more than a handful of seats but you would expect them to be able to save a deposit everywhere,. I suppose it depends on your definition of stuffed, I'd say a party outside the top three gaining anymore than 5% of the vote is generally a exceptional performance.

Most voters I'm sure will go back to the Tories, it's far too important not to let Labour ruin what we have going at the minute.

Who do you vote for enlighted one?

I wouldn't expect a reasonable response, he only has mudslinging and name calling in his locker.

Its a bit rich calling 'all' UKIP supporters anything that is related to prejudice.

[The Doctor]

There is a huge difference between fascism and being patriotist/nationalist. It's like me calling you a communist.

I am a communist, but that's neither here nor there. But fascist tends to relate to a party being nationalist, authoritarian, opposed to free speech and having racist tendencies - they are nationalist, their policies definitely put them on the authoritarian side of the spectrum, they at the very least attract the racists, and as for the opposition to free speech - calling the police on a blogger for adding sources to a poster which highlighted bad things about them certainly qualifies as opposition to free speech

[Strokes]

I am a communist, but that's neither here nor there. But fascist tends to relate to a party being nationalist, authoritarian, opposed to free speech and having racist tendencies - they are nationalist, their policies definitely put them on the authoritarian side of the spectrum, they at the very least attract the racists, and as for the opposition to free speech - calling the police on a blogger for adding sources to a poster which highlighted bad things about them certainly qualifies as opposition to free speech

I have seen more traits of fascism from the extreme left, than anything I have seen from Ukip in recent weeks.

[lgfualol]

Another sensible comment from a ukip chairman

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-branch-chairman-london-is-being-ethnically-cleansed-of-white-people-9448154.html

[Captain...]

Another sensible comment from a ukip chairman

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-branch-chairman-london-is-being-ethnically-cleansed-of-white-people-9448154.html

 

Is the censored word twatpot? Did he really use that?

 

He knew it would cause controversy, was he sick of all the other UKIP crackpots getting all the headlines so wanted his day in the "Sun"?

 

It is getting to be a very long list of UKIP members that have come out with such nonsense, I know that UKIP isn't a "racist" party, but it really does seem to attract them, Farage has his work cut out as they grow they will be need to recruit more members and will be more high profile, even the staunch UKIPpers on here must get a bit concerned by the number of these comments coming from within the party.

[Parafox]

Yawn.

Do some research on how an Energy company is run.

Oh and if you're not happy with the Big 6's prices, change supplier, there is more than enough competition.

 

So why is the industry being investigated by Government committee to see if they are operating as a cartel, then?

 

I'm fairly sure nothing will come of it though, it's more of a sop to the voters to "investigate" something that is clearly of a concern to the public where prices are raised in line across a number of companies.

 

If Tesco and Asda can negotiate cheaper wholesale costs on the global market to work in competion with other supermarkets, why can't the energy companies do the same? I'm fairly sure that grain and other staple food basics are priced based on the futures markets.

[Guest MattP]

Another sensible comment from a ukip chairman

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukip-branch-chairman-london-is-being-ethnically-cleansed-of-white-people-9448154.html

 

I don't see a problem with that comment at all. From my experience of travelling to London and surrounding areas it's beyond doubt there is 'white flight' occurring on a huge scale. I doubt most people would claim his comments racist.

 

Labour have apologised for their immigration policies and have admitted they even sent out 'search parties' for immigrants so I don't think his claims would be that far from the truth. If Farage disciplined him for this I'd be annoyed, it's one thing kicking out genuine racists in the party but it's another reacting to the liberal media who will jump on anything as racist like this article has.

 

One of the reasons a lot of people voted UKIP was because they are sticking two fingers up to the people who claims things like this are bigoted statements.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

It's not racist to make such an observation, but "ethnically cleansed" is an insensitive phrase to use. Also, I question why he was so moved to comment.

[Harry - LCFC]

It's not racist to make such an observation, but "ethnically cleansed" is an insensitive phrase to use. Also, I question why he was so moved to comment.

 

This is what I think too. I don't like the idea of different cultures living entirely apart from each and would be concerned if I saw this happening. It isn't healthy. But the phrase he uses does bite at me a bit. Conjures up images of 'the nasty foreigners invading' or something like that.

[Guest MattP]

It's not racist to make such an observation, but "ethnically cleansed" is an insensitive phrase to use.

 

I agree with that, it could have been phrased a lot better.

This is what I think too. I don't like the idea of different cultures living entirely apart from each and would be concerned if I saw this happening. It isn't healthy. But the phrase he uses does bite at me a bit. Conjures up images of 'the nasty foreigners invading' or something like that.

 

Would it had a Lib Dem MP said it? It might be just the fact that it's a UKIP man saying it that leads you to that. have to say I read it and thought nothing of 'nasty foreigners' - I was moved more towards inept, corrupt governments trying to make sure they can hold a vote.

[James.]

The article itself says Ilford is 42% white according to the 2011 consenus.

 

I think this guy will see what he wants to see regardless of the facts.

[Leicesterpool]

Anyone watching Question Time, Barton makes a sexist a comment! but my point is they've made sure they've picked an mainly anti ukip audience.

[ousefox]

Anyone watching Question Time, Barton makes a sexist a comment! but my point is they've made sure they've picked an mainly anti ukip audience.

Think I need to reevaluate my definition of 'sexist' with the amount of people going on about that analogy.

I'm sure any representative audience they could find would be similar to that - about 9% of people in the UK voted for them.

[Mark_w]

Anyone watching Question Time, Barton makes a sexist a comment! but my point is they've made sure they've picked an mainly anti ukip audience.

 

No they didn't.

[Harry - LCFC]

I think the right act like such cry babies at times. I don't see any of this apparent bias on Question Time and get the impression they're all given a fair shout. There were two UKIP supporters who spoke tonight and still we have people moaning.

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Anyone watching Question Time, Barton makes a sexist a comment! but my point is they've made sure they've picked an mainly anti ukip audience.

But also given the topic of UKIP at least half of the program time, again given UKIP the public floor to get into voters. Audience was largely non UKIP voters, but so is 91% of the British Public!

[Bryn]

There's absolutely no point in attempting a reasoned debate with UKIP supporters, I'm yet to see a single reasonable policy from them and here you are demanding the rest of us explain to you why they are morons. It is self explanatory.

Enjoy your little protest victory, by all means ignore the fact that with a mere 27% of a 35% turnout, it is not even the largest movement of dissent, that coming from the 30.3m who refused to vote for anyone.

[Super_horns]

Do people know what their policies are on anything apart from getting out of Europe and sort out immigration is?

 

The big test for UKIP will be when they have to branch out their manifesto.

[bovril]

I'm outraged by Barton's comment, so outraged I'm going to find it on youtube and share it with all my friends so they can be outraged too.