Deucalion Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 If you're spending 5 million on a midfielder they have got to offer more than our current midfielders do, and from what I've seen he doesn't. So unless we have a long term injury we've not been told about this isn't a good move. For that money we should be looking at an attacking midfielder or support striker to compete with Nugent. We have plenty of people to play those roles whereas we are short in central midfield. Also, who are we going to sign who can push James, Drinkwater, Hammond and King for the kind of fees we paid for them? We probably would not, unless we were very lucky, be improving the team by spending £1 million. Context also plays a part in a signing. We are newly in the PL, we are desperate for midfielders, it is approaching the end of the transfer window: we should pay what it costs for the right player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Its like we are building the ultimate Championship dream team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 I'd go 6.5 million maximum. Think McArthur and Drinky would be our two starters, with James and King competing for the third spot. Can see Hammond warming the bench a lot if this goes through. If we sign McArthur, we'll need probably two more players and then we'll be set IMO. Another striker and a utility man in defence, then I think we'll be good. Wouldn't have him over James after he's lost his usual early season excess weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Wood to go in part-ex ? We know that Wigan were keen and even though Nige has said that, "he's happy to stay to fight for his place", a deal to get a needed central midfielder in, might be more essential than a reserve striker - especially if there are other 'irons in the fire' up front (ie reported links with other strikers). That would cut McArthurs' price by a couple of million AND encourage Whelan to sell. But Wigan have Waghorn! Why would they need another striker. Oh wait..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFox Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 I see what you're saying, but we're going into the last week of the transfer window, we desperately need cover all over the team but clubs are going to be reluctant to sell anyone this close to the deadline, so prices will be inflated. In reality, yes he's only worth £4/5million, but £7/8 million may be what it takes to prise him away at this point. If we'd made an offer earlier in the summer, maybe things would be different. I agree yeah. I'd genuinely like to see us sign this lad as I think he has real quality and would fit right in to our system/team. Maybe we'll just have to get used to clubs taking the piss and trying to get as much out of us as possible. In this case James McArthur is probably one of the first names on Wigan's team sheet so you can understand why they wan't more than £5mil. And going by Dave Whelan's quote it sounds like he's prepared to do business so that's a positive Is this a consequence of our owners saying they're gonna spend £180mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsell1976 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Just been on sky sports, reporting burnley made a new 4 million bid, but no mention of us being interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pSinatra Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 some of you are crazy with prices! A few weeks ago this would have been our record signing and you'd have been screaming blue murder. "I'd go to £7 million" Where are people getting these figures & what are they basing them on? I would love to negotiate a deal with some of the people on here........where value means nothing & money is just a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 If you're spending 5 million on a midfielder they have got to offer more than our current midfielders do, and from what I've seen he doesn't. So unless we have a long term injury we've not been told about this isn't a good move. For that money we should be looking at an attacking midfielder or support striker to compete with Nugent. Why do they have to be better? £5M is peanuts in Premier League land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11055893/Leicester-Citys-5-million-bid-for-midfielder-James-McArthur-turned-down-by-Wigan-Athletic.html However, Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has hinted that he broke his leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonfox1884 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 I agree yeah. I'd genuinely like to see us sign this lad as I think he has real quality and would fit right in to our system/team. Maybe we'll just have to get used to clubs taking the piss and trying to get as much out of us as possible. In this case James McArthur is probably one of the first names on Wigan's team sheet so you can understand why they wan't more than £5mil. And going by Dave Whelan's quote it sounds like he's prepared to do business so that's a positive Is this a consequence of our owners saying they're gonna spend £180mil? It's probably a bit of that, yeah. That, added to the fact we are nearing the end of the window will definatley mean we will have to pay over the odds for players over the next week. It is pivotal that we do, otherwise our squad will just not be strong enough to endure a whole premier league season. But Whelen sounding like he's willing to do business is definatly a positive sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhs123 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Makes you wonder what Drinkwater is worth in this inflated market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 But Wigan have Waghorn! Why would they need another striker. Oh wait..... Because Waghorn is lacking confidence. Whenever he gets the ball he's always looking across and hoping he's offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Because Waghorn is lacking confidence. Whenever he gets the ball he's always looking across and hoping he's offside. That quote was ridiculous wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Good player McArthur, I'd like this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Just been on sky sports, reporting burnley made a new 4 million bid, but no mention of us being interested. in what way is this different from their last £4 million bid ? (about a month ago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Would you not agree that we are slightly more desperate for reinforcements than a few weeks ago? Not to mention the window shuts in less than a week. Strange question formation. bit like a 3-1-3-3-1. My answer is either Yes, I would not agree or No I wouldn't agree. Take your preference. We've needed the same number and quality of players throughout the period. we either get them or we don't but I don't think we're desperate at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamba's Babes Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 If we had bid £3M then people would be saying "I'd go to about £5M but no more." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 If we had bid £3M then people would be saying "I'd go to about £5M but no more." and 2 weeks ago they'd have said £3m for a championship player, he's worth no more than £1m. I'd prefer Cambiasso. or something like like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 We are desperate for midfield cover, doesn't seem to be many players available in this area, the market is clearly inflated, so we end up paying slightly over the odds for him. Needs must so I hope we get him, think they'd accept something like £6m raising a bit if we stay up, in which case it will be money well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Strange question formation. bit like a 3-1-3-3-1. My answer is either Yes, I would not agree or No I wouldn't agree. Take your preference. We've needed the same number and quality of players throughout the period. we either get them or we don't but I don't think we're desperate at all. Not sure if that was meant to be humour but on to your second point, GTF in central midfield shows me we are reasonably desperate. Prices will increase the closer we get to the end of the window and at this point depth is more important than a slightly overinflated transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 and Sean Dyche's 56 plate MondeoHahaha!Would like this signing to happen, wouldn't say he's worth much more than £8m though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 "I'd go to £7 million" Where are people getting these figures & what are they basing them on? I would love to negotiate a deal with some of the people on here........where value means nothing & money is just a number. Value means everything. How valuable to us is a player who can shore up our depleted midfield? Also, value is contextual to a far greater extent to football transfers than anything else I can think of. For instance, gold prices will fluctuate to a certain extent but if you buy gold, you are certain that it will always have some value. A decent player's price will at first appreciate and eventually decline. The purchase price buys the service they can perform for a club rather than any tangible object. This service will be more or less valuable in time and will be more or less essential to each bidding club. There is also a distortion of the market, the transfer window, which effects the price too. So the purchase price is very flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Always been impressed with him and surprised he stayed with Wigan when they went down. 5million is spot on in my opinion. Anything over 6million is a joke! Reading between the lines, it seems he wants to be in the Prem but Whelan doesn't necessarily need the money. Could be forced to overpay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Walsh5 Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 That quote was ridiculous wasn't it? It's probably the funniest thing I've ever read on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pSinatra Posted 26 August 2014 Share Posted 26 August 2014 Value means everything. How valuable to us is a player who can shore up our depleted midfield? Also, value is contextual to a far greater extent to football transfers than anything else I can think of. For instance, gold prices will fluctuate to a certain extent but if you buy gold, you are certain that it will always have some value. A decent player's price will at first appreciate and eventually decline. The purchase price buys the service they can perform for a club rather than any tangible object. This service will be more or less valuable in time and will be more or less essential to each bidding club. There is also a distortion of the market, the transfer window, which effects the price too. So the purchase price is very flexible. I don't disagree with anything you have just said, but who here is in full knowledge of all the possible tangents. How can anyone on here possibly come up with a figure. None of us know who else is available to buy, what our budget is, how many players we are looking to buy, what the player's wage demands are, agents fees, signing on fees, lengths of contract, other buyers interested in the same player........the list is endless. Yet we have people suggesting he is worth "no more than £7 million". How could they possibly know what this player or any other player is worth or what value he has? I think we should offer £5,479,513.........based on everything I know about running a football club & negotiating a transfer, i.e. nothing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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