Inler

[dedlock]

He did the job he was asked to do in the system we employed before he was substituted.

What more do you want?

 

We were faced with a front 4 who each cost more than our entire team plus Yaya behind.

 

He nullified MC's attempts through the middle,kept well to his task in front of the back 4.

We did not concede, I don't know what others hoped for.

 

The system left JV isolated at times but had he put away that 1 on 1 just before half time would we be questioning Inler's effectiveness or CR's tactics?

[FoxinNotts]

Just watched the man city game back. Watched Inler in particular. He had a GOOD first half. Fact. Great amount of interceptions. Lots of good passes. Great positional play. Once got caught up in possession, but you have to credit the opposition for that. 2nd half, the whole team pushed up. Inler lost his concentration and speed of thought. He was far from poor. He's just been scrutinised heavily. He did his job better than Drinky did his job. 4-3-3 is now a plan B for us. Albrighton and Mahrez will have a different effect in the 4-3-3 if we deploy this formation against worse teams than man city.

[NewEnglandFox]

 

Again, not sure how Inler could get slated so much unless your trying to tell us he's not as good as Drinky and Kanté's best attributes while ignoring their cruxes.

[Father Ted]

I have to say I've slated Inler no end for poor performances, however, I thought that he executed his role well on Tuesday night. Not saying that he had a great game but his experience shone through and he made his presence felt throughout (something which we all know King lacks in abundance) and somewhat seemed interested at least. Yes, he may have lost the ball on occasions or dithered about in possession but it shows that Inler could play a vital cog in a 5 man midfield.

 

However, once Matty James is fit, James would be a far better alternative. Although, there does seem to be some glimmer of hope for Inler yet.

[Thracian]

Seems like there's some selective viewing going on.

Having been at the game I stick by all my comments on the subject.  A received pass can be in a positive statistic without it being identified as a near interception that might easily have cost a goal.

Statistics are a guide, and we all use them when convenient, but they're misleading just the same. Not that it matters or will change viewpoints. Inler will get his game time and I don't doubt that other managers/coaches will take note.       

[MC Prussian]

Seems like there's some selective viewing going on.

Having been at the game I stick by all my comments on the subject.  A received pass can be in a positive statistic without it being identified as a near interception that might easily have cost a goal.

Statistics are a guide, and we all use them when convenient, but they're misleading just the same. Not that it matters or will change viewpoints. Inler will get his game time and I don't doubt that other managers/coaches will take note.       

 

I wonder what King's stats from the Liverpool game look like. Please, go ahead.

 

[NewEnglandFox]

Seems like there's some selective viewing going on.

Having been at the game I stick by all my comments on the subject.  A received pass can be in a positive statistic without it being identified as a near interception that might easily have cost a goal.

Statistics are a guide, and we all use them when convenient, but they're misleading just the same. Not that it matters or will change viewpoints. Inler will get his game time and I don't doubt that other managers/coaches will take note.       

 

Here's the problem with you at the game types. You take the few situations of the game that you remember, which are the handful of the best and the worst moments and then try justify them as the full game. 10 remembered moments out of 50 is only 20% of the opportunities the guy had to do something with ball. Tons to miss in those scenarios. While not all touches are created equal, every one has the opportunity to have something great or terrible come of it whether it does or not. So back to selective viewing, I believe you're talking about your own.

[MPH]

Seems like there's some selective viewing going on.

Having been at the game I stick by all my comments on the subject.  A received pass can be in a positive statistic without it being identified as a near interception that might easily have cost a goal.

Statistics are a guide, and we all use them when convenient, but they're misleading just the same. Not that it matters or will change viewpoints. Inler will get his game time and I don't doubt that other managers/coaches will take note.       

 

 

Here's the problem with you at the game types. You take the few situations of the game that you remember, which are the handful of the best and the worst moments and then try justify them as the full game. 10 remembered moments out of 50 is only 20% of the opportunities the guy had to do something with ball. Tons to miss in those scenarios. While not all touches are created equal, every one has the opportunity to have something great or terrible come of it whether it does or not. So back to selective viewing, I believe you're talking about your own.

 

 

[Jimmy]

people need to stop thinking of Inler as a direct replacement for Cambiasso, he is a midfield spoiler and a very good one at that

[The Doctor]

Interesting people keep saying hes to slow. For me he is no slower than EC last season

Posted this yesterday but must have been lost in the outage. Cambiasso wasn't particularly slow in the sense that we're talking about with Inler. Cambiasso was absurdly fast mentally - picking passes before they were even on and rarely caught in possession. Inler repeatedly took a couple of touches too many and had his pocket picked more in one night than Esteban did in an entire season

[Tuna]

I like Inler and want him to do well, he was OK against City but tired in the second half and made a few mistakes. I still believe he can still make an impact for us.

[Thracian]

I wonder what King's stats from the Liverpool game look like. Please, go ahead.

 

 

 

a) The Liverpool game bore absolutely no comparison with the Manchester City game. Inler had the best two midfielders in the club helping him whereas King was left to get mugged, and so predictably, given how obviously Liverpool would blast out of the blocks and smother the midfield with attitude.

 

b) Quite why I'd need the statistics given that I've already said he had an indifferent game I don't know. The simple reason for my comments about him was to point out that others played worse and the statistics said so with some emphasis. But, in fact, I've already published them and as it shows that for all that some say he was hiding he made more passes than anyone outside our back four other than Kante. I didn't take not of the back four but presume his pass totals would have been higher anyway.   

 

c ) Far from believing King is the holy grail, I've suggested elsewhere that he will probably need to move on if he wants to continue playing meaningful football regularly, because our standard is rising significantly and we're not really playing to his strengths and why should we if there's a better option? That I also believe other midfield players like Shinji and Inler are also showing themselves short of what we need so far is another point altogether, but equally relevent.

 

If King had done some of the things that Inler did against Manchester City he'd have been pilloried by his detractors, and that's a fact. But with Inler they're overlooked or not seen at all. So far I've seen Inler make three or four appearances and the 5.75 points I'd have given him for Tuesday's effort, while arguably generous, was actually his best mark by far.      

[Thracian]

Posted this yesterday but must have been lost in the outage. Cambiasso wasn't particularly slow in the sense that we're talking about with Inler. Cambiasso was absurdly fast mentally - picking passes before they were even on and rarely caught in possession. Inler repeatedly took a couple of touches too many and had his pocket picked more in one night than Esteban did in an entire season

 

 

Spot on. You don't have to be fleet of foot to work quickly on a football field. 

[ARM1968]

Inler will be gone. Shame really but that's how good Kante and dd have been.

[Thracian]

Here's the problem with you at the game types. You take the few situations of the game that you remember, which are the handful of the best and the worst moments and then try justify them as the full game. 10 remembered moments out of 50 is only 20% of the opportunities the guy had to do something with ball. Tons to miss in those scenarios. While not all touches are created equal, every one has the opportunity to have something great or terrible come of it whether it does or not. So back to selective viewing, I believe you're talking about your own.

 

 

 

I've praised and criticised a lot of players over the years including a good many of our current team but I can't ever remember having to slate them for making basic school team errors in quantity - rather than just the odd one in passing. All you Inler promoters will have bowls of egg on your face if he doesn't cut it out, I can promise.

Football analysis is not a slow process these days. I'd have given lots for the coaching aids of today because every player's strengths and weaknesses can be highlighted in next-to no time now.

Inler has two choices if selected. Either stop dribbling in his back third, stop passing square across the penalty box without looking and start trying to pass the ball in a maximum of two touches otherwise he'll be found out fast.

That's not the end of the matter. But it's a start. Get those things right and maybe his strengths will not only become apparent, but relevent too.

As it is he's more a risk than an asset and I'm clearly not the only one who thinks that given that his average mark in the player ratings after what was a commendable but unexpansive display against one of the title favourites was the worst from what I recall..and just about exactly what I rated him in what was unquestionably his best display so far because there haven't been many more. 

[Corky]

Posted this yesterday but must have been lost in the outage. Cambiasso wasn't particularly slow in the sense that we're talking about with Inler. Cambiasso was absurdly fast mentally - picking passes before they were even on and rarely caught in possession. Inler repeatedly took a couple of touches too many and had his pocket picked more in one night than Esteban did in an entire season

 

Absolutely, Cambiasso wasn't a slow footballer. Hardly ever laboured in possession. Inler did some good work for the side but on the ball he struggled.

[dibbdroid]

No offence...and you could be right.

But how long does the 'need time to adapt', 'get up to speed', 'get his legs' type argument last for?

Inler is only 31 I think? (Not that old). He's been training with the squad and (presumably) been going through the same fitness regime as everyone else. He's lean and not carrying weight (fair play to him).

But for me...a 'great player' is a great player. Inler could just as easily come into this side and immediately looked 'great'. He could have been composed, assured, looked to have time on the ball etc etc.. just as easily as looking 'shaky'.

But he's not done. In the few games he's had, let's have it right, he's looked poor to average. Far from 'great'.

And it's a bloody good job the ref chose not to blow for the penalty. If he had done, and we lost one-nil, this forum would not have been as understanding re. Inler. I'm convinced of that.

Fine lines....

I'm still yet to be convinced. It will be interesting to see the side Ranieri picks v Bournemouth.

It's commented often among the pundits and football digerati some players need six months to adjust to life in the PL

 

Yes a great player is a great player but 3 starts isn't enough to judge most players.

[Guest Col city fan]

It's commented often among the pundits and football digerati some players need six months to adjust to life in the PL

Yes a great player is a great player but 3 starts isn't enough to judge most players.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if he got many more.

We'll see how it pans out. We need a good midfield playmaker.

[dibbdroid]

To be honest, I'd be surprised if he got many more.

We'll see how it pans out. We need a good midfield playmaker.

We need someone who can work at the same speed as Kante and Drinkwater

[ozleicester]

Inler is a part of a (much cried out for) plan B.

 

Nope, he doesnt play at Vardy speed, he isnt going to burn the turf with diagonal runs and he isnt going to be the centre point of our super fast break game.

 

He may offer a little stabilty, some considered midfield management, some control of games when others are threatening to over run us.

 

We need different players to offer different options.

[weller54]

Inler is a part of a (much cried out for) plan B.

Nope, he doesnt play at Vardy speed, he isnt going to burn the turf with diagonal runs and he isnt going to be the centre point of our super fast break game.

He may offer a little stabilty, some considered midfield management, some control of games when others are threatening to over run us.

We need different players to offer different options.

...but he's no cambiasso!

[LcFc_Smiv]

 

Again, not sure how Inler could get slated so much unless your trying to tell us he's not as good as Drinky and Kanté's best attributes while ignoring their cruxes.

 

Stats are great but only when put into context. Inler showed against Man City that he has got some quality but he wants that extra second on the ball. Whether that's his game or not he can't afford that time on the ball against teams that are going to look to constantly press and close us down. He obviously has some talent and looks for that pass which can put you on the front foot but at the risk of being dispossessed numerous times in the middle of the park it's not worth the gamble.

[The Guvnor]

So it's reported we are willing to let him go out on loan with Schalke mentioned but sounds like there may be a problem with his wage demands. I did read somewhere, not surprisingly that he is one of the biggest earners at the club, the more you look at this signing the more disappointing it becomes, a player who we don't want on high wages.

[MC Prussian]

So it's reported we are willing to let him go out on loan with Schalke mentioned but sounds like there may be a problem with his wage demands. I did read somewhere, not surprisingly that he is one of the biggest earners at the club, the more you look at this signing the more disappointing it becomes, a player who we don't want on high wages.

Who is "we" - do you talk in first-person plural often? And how do you come to that conclusion?

 

Besides, the club has never stated they are willing to let him go out on loan.

It's the player himself (through his agent) who has made it clear that in order to maintain his place within the Switzerland setup, he needs more time on the pitch, hence the pondering about a loan move elsewhere.

[ScouseFox]

good lord please say we don't have to watch this clown plod around the centre circle for 90 mins on sunday