MikeyT Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Leicester's £15m bid for Michael Keane rejected. Signed from #mufc last jan for £3m now @BurnleyOfficial want £20m
Vindaloo FOX Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 20 million !! who do they think he is Wes Morgan , no chances .
Tuna Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Premier League clubs will simply not sell players anymore with players imprisoned by contrcacts.
BenTheFox Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Apparently going in with a final 15 million bid! I really do hope not.
Nickfosse Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Premier League clubs will simply not sell players anymore with players imprisoned by contrcacts.Yes, unless they have release clauses!Just read that Burnley want 20 million so that values Keane at the same price that Europe's top clubs are hoping to get Kante for. Wow! Just wow!
Fox seen in Norwich Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 Leicester's £15m bid for Michael Keane rejected. Signed from #mufc last jan for £3m now @BurnleyOfficial want £20m Taking the piss, they're taking the piiiiiisss, But seriously let's get the message and move on..
Tuna Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 We'll just buy the equivalent player from abroad for half the price and the same quality, like we always do.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 He was weak as anything when he was with us before. Burnley have apparently rejected the bid though! Unless he's improved dramatically, the figures given are barmy.
lancyclaret Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 He was weak as anything when he was with us before. Burnley have apparently rejected the bid though! Unless he's improved dramatically, the figures given are barmy. He has improved dramatically in the last 18 months thanks to Dyche's expert coaching (Dyche was a centre-half) and playing alongside experienced players like Shackell & Duff. The central defender pairing of Keane and Ben Mee only conceded 12 goals in 23 games since Boxing Day. Consider Fulham want £15m for McCormack and Sheff Wed £10m for Tom Lees - and neither have kicked a ball in the Premier League - Burnley's asking price is not all that astronomical considering Keane already has nearly 20 Premier League games under his belt. I agree these fees are ridiculous - they are for good English players but Keane is still only 23 and has yet to reach his peak. Like Stones, plenty of scope for improvement. I actually think Dyche will sell Keane if the player sulks (SD is big on team spirit).....Shackell did the same last summer (threw his toys out of the pram) because Derby were prepared to double his wages and he said Derby were more ambitious.....that worked out well for Shackell, didn't it as the Rams bottled it again with Shacks conceding a penalty and scoring an own goal in a 4-1 Burnley win in January.
Webbo Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 No team in the premier league are going to sell their better players against their will. We've either got to pick up someone from the lower leagues or go abroad.
MC Prussian Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 Imagine if we gave Burnley £15m. Then wait for Dyche to do the "market leader" thing again - thanks to us!
LcFc_Smiv Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 No wonder we'd have to pay top dollar for Keane when James Tomkins is rumoured to be going Palace for 12.5m, crazy money this summer.
sphericalfox Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 We have to stop trying to buy English Prem players. Our under 21s are weak, we just about survived the under 21s league relegation (on the last game!) We've a half decent under 18s team, but we have no time, and need the quality gap bridging in certain areas, especially where our first teamers are ageing. We have two obvious choices. Buy for cheap abroad, and risk bringing in lots of obstacles of integration, language, etc etc, or buy someone ready to make a step up sooner than later. If our team has looked at Keane and considered him ready to make marked improvements, and potentially has shown in the past leadership qualities then it's understandable that we've been putting in these silly bids, but £20m is just obscene, and whilst he might at some point reach that valuation, he's not yet shown that to me, but they are the ones crunching the numbers, both in our purse and on the computer, so I'm going to not worry about the prices anymore, they know what our ceiling is. I suspect it's been truly exceeded on this one. So unless there is no one else out there at the ready point that the team needs...
Kinowe Soorie Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 The days of £360,000 for Mark Blake have well and truly gone!! It's all going to be big money now for players from the UK. Not exactly our money is it?
Solihullfox Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 If they think Keane is the one for the future and will stay at the club long term then whilst 20 million is obscene, it actually isn't going to be a bad investment if he is signed up on a five year contract. The prices are only going to go up (as has and is being proved) and clubs are even more likely to hang on to players after this season as the revenues continue to grow. Long term, however hard it is to have to pay ridiculous amounts, it may not be seen as too expensive in a couple of years time and we do need a young alternative for central defence.
pazzerfox Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 £15 million is absolutely ludicrous. Why didn't we just sign him when he left Man Utd and loan him out to Burnley for a couple of seasons!
Tuna Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 Not good for the English game this, imprisoning players at smaller clubs and refusing to allow them to progress.
themightyfin Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 Not good for the English game this, imprisoning players at smaller clubs and refusing to allow them to progress.Hardly that We made a bid they told us the price he is worth to them and if we don't pay it that's our choice. Big shout out to them in my opinion for showing the ambition to try and keep their best players. It's nothing different to what we are trying to do with our top players. All the money flying around makes it a sellers market if the lad really wanted to come he would come out and say so and force a move but I've not seen that happen. I would hardly say he's imprisoned rather a club standing up for themselves and refusing to let bigger clubs take their best playets without a fight nothing more than we would expect if it was us. We as fans with this arrogant attitude are in danger of forming a big club mentality that we should be able to bully smaller clubs into doing what we want. Not the path to go down my friend. He made the choice of his own free will to take the contract and the money that was offered to him so he's commited himself to the contract period he signed for. Remember it was only 2 years ago we were in the same position as them having just come up. Would you have been happy to sell our best players?
1972 Fox Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 Hardly that We made a bid they told us the price he is worth to them and if we don't pay it that's our choice. Big shout out to them in my opinion for showing the ambition to try and keep their best players. It's nothing different to what we are trying to do with our top players. All the money flying around makes it a sellers market if the lad really wanted to come he would come out and say so and force a move but I've not seen that happen. I would hardly say he's imprisoned rather a club standing up for themselves and refusing to let bigger clubs take their best playets without a fight nothing more than we would expect if it was us. We as fan with this arrogant attitude are in danger of forming a big club mentality that we should be able to bully smaller clubs into doing what we want. Not the path to go down my friend. He made the choice of his own free will to take the contract and the money that was offered to him so he's commuted himself to the contract period he signed for. Remember it was only 2 years ago we were in the same position as them having just come up. Would you have been happy to sell our best players? Absolutely this. Some of our fans have such hypocritical double standards.
lancyclaret Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 From what I gather, Keane really wants to join Leicester (Champions League and all that) and, being a regular England U21, wants to get full international honours as soon as possible. But he is not the sharpest tool in the box and sulked a lot when he was on the bench behind Shackell and Duff in our PL season two years ago. Keane played OK but had to be taken out of the firing line with 37-year-old Duff recalled for the last 10 games of the season. Despite relegation, we only conceded 4 goals in our final 8 games with Duff and Shackell. But Shackell agitated for a move to Derby in the summer (good choice Jason:)) and Keane started last season as Duff's partner. After a 3-0 Boxing Day defeat at Hull, Burnley were only 5th and well off the pace so Dyche dropped Duff and moved Ben Mee from left-back to partner Keane in the middle with Stephen Ward coming in at left-back. We never looked back and went 23 games unbeaten after this (16 wins 7 draws and only 12 goals conceded). We were 9 points behind Derby on Boxing Day and finished 15 points above them. Leicester looks an ideal move for him on the face of it, but I reckon Keane is thick enough to believe he will be a regular starter ahead of Morgan and Huth. I don't think he realises he would be on the bench (he hated it at Burnley even for a handful of games). Could be a bad move for him if he only plays a handful of games next season, certainly won't improve his England chances if he is NOT playing regularly. Look at Kieran Trippier - our best player in 2013/14 (better than Ings). He only wanted to leave Burnley because of relegation but went to Spurs and played only a handful of games in the league and a few Europa Cup games because Kyle Walker was first-choice. Tripps is 26 in September and at his peak - yet is now languishing on Spurs' bench. And Trippier is one of those rare players who is not that money-motivated - he's the type who would play football in the streets with his mates all day for nothing using jumpers for goalposts. Keane left Manchester United (a week after his full first team debut at Sunderland) to get regular football. Would he be a regular starter for Leicester next season?
lancyclaret Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 As for the Deeney saga....I'm convinced either Burnley or Leicester could have signed him for as little as £7/8 million in the summer of 2014 just after we both got promoted. It was before the McCormack £11 million deal - that pushed Deeney's price up massively. But that season Watford had just finished 13th after a mediocre season (Zola sacked) and Deeney would probably jumped at the chance of PL football if either Burnley or Leicester had pushed hard enough. You signed Ulloa and Kramaric instead and we got a pile of rubbish in Jutkiewicz and Sordell. What makes it worse was that Deeney and Dyche got on very well when SD was Watford manager in 2011/12 before being harshly sacked by the Pozzos. It's easy in hindsight, but if we'd been more ambitious and signed Deeney for say £8/9 million (plus possibly McArthur for £6 million) we'd probably have stayed up in 2014/15
sphericalfox Posted 2 July 2016 Posted 2 July 2016 From what I gather, Keane really wants to join Leicester (Champions League and all that) and, being a regular England U21, wants to get full international honours as soon as possible. But he is not the sharpest tool in the box and sulked a lot when he was on the bench behind Shackell and Duff in our PL season two years ago. Keane played OK but had to be taken out of the firing line with 37-year-old Duff recalled for the last 10 games of the season. Despite relegation, we only conceded 4 goals in our final 8 games with Duff and Shackell. But Shackell agitated for a move to Derby in the summer (good choice Jason:)) and Keane started last season as Duff's partner. After a 3-0 Boxing Day defeat at Hull, Burnley were only 5th and well off the pace so Dyche dropped Duff and moved Ben Mee from left-back to partner Keane in the middle with Stephen Ward coming in at left-back. We never looked back and went 23 games unbeaten after this (16 wins 7 draws and only 12 goals conceded). We were 9 points behind Derby on Boxing Day and finished 15 points above them. Leicester looks an ideal move for him on the face of it, but I reckon Keane is thick enough to believe he will be a regular starter ahead of Morgan and Huth. I don't think he realises he would be on the bench (he hated it at Burnley even for a handful of games). Could be a bad move for him if he only plays a handful of games next season, certainly won't improve his England chances if he is NOT playing regularly. Look at Kieran Trippier - our best player in 2013/14 (better than Ings). He only wanted to leave Burnley because of relegation but went to Spurs and played only a handful of games in the league and a few Europa Cup games because Kyle Walker was first-choice. Tripps is 26 in September and at his peak - yet is now languishing on Spurs' bench. And Trippier is one of those rare players who is not that money-motivated - he's the type who would play football in the streets with his mates all day for nothing using jumpers for goalposts. Keane left Manchester United (a week after his full first team debut at Sunderland) to get regular football. Would he be a regular starter for Leicester next season? I'm fairly certain he would get games if he joined. He might not be first team regular material, but might well be pushing for this next year. He'll have opportunities to play against weaker teams in the group competition in the Champs League, and would certainly step in for the cups games and would have plenty of games in the Under 21s, which from what I can see is being seeded with higher quality and improvements across the board. This I hope will be much more competitive that last year and hopefully will encourage competition for first team places, and give Claudio a headache. The real question is whether we'll pay the numbers suggested. Also he can learn a hell of a lot from Morgan and Huth to bring on his game.
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