foxes_rule1978 Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 3 minutes ago, Corky said: Why would the FA be behind the selection? All I've heard is since the appointment is that Allardyce isn't a yes man and will make his own mind up. Just because it's similar to Hodgson's doesn't mean he's being dictated to. That means he must be brain washed by big names like Hodgson...
Blackpool Fox 69 Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 7 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: On a more serious note, Rooney limits the team in the way that Bryan Robson did. I believe it was no coincidence that the 1990 success had a lot to do with his enforced absence. Same in Mexico in '86 first two group games were awful, Robson got injured and Ray Wilkins sent off in the 2nd group game and we improved immensely, Lineker world cup top scorer and robbed by Maradona in the QF etc etc.
Sublime_Coatsworth Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 England means nothing to me anymore. To me Leicester is all that matters now football-wise. If they don't want to play Drinky and Vardy then fvck 'em. At least theyre less likely to come back injured. I'm 100% convinced that England would have a better side with our guys in - but if those fvckwits can't see that then let them fail... again.
Donut Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 What is the genuine rationale behind Vardy and Drinkwater not getting much of a game. Lets put the FA picking the team to keep sponsors happy manager gets no say in who he picks argument away, its silly talk. Put yourself in Hodgson and Allardyce's shoes. I cannot think what THEIR thinking is in picking players like Henderson. Im trying to understand it.
Dan Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 It isn't silly talk in the slightest. It's very possible.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 3 minutes ago, Donut said: What is the genuine rationale behind Vardy and Drinkwater not getting much of a game. Lets put the FA picking the team to keep sponsors happy manager gets no say in who he picks argument away, its silly talk. Put yourself in Hodgson and Allardyce's shoes. I cannot think what THEIR thinking is in picking players like Henderson. Im trying to understand it. It is odd... and I go back to our most profile retirement in scholes... clearly our best midfielder at the time but got shoved out to the left
Donut Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 5 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: It isn't silly talk in the slightest. It's very possible. Nothing to gain at all though Dan. By picking the wrong players, do Mars, Vauxhall, Carlsberg, whoever else sponsors England want to be associated with a bunch of losers?
JamesfromlondonLCFC Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 16 minutes ago, Donut said: Nothing to gain at all though Dan. By picking the wrong players, do Mars, Vauxhall, Carlsberg, whoever else sponsors England want to be associated with a bunch of losers? no but the companies who sponsor the big name players do miss out.
Donut Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 5 minutes ago, JamesfromlondonLCFC said: no but the companies who sponsor the big name players do miss out. Theres no way that England pick Jordan Henderson because sales of Nivea have gone down and they tell the FA he needs to be on telly more, or Joe Hart needs to shift more bottles of Head & Shoulders. There is a quality that a succession of managers see in Henderson, that I cant. thats what i want to get to the bottom of.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 5 minutes ago, Donut said: Theres no way that England pick Jordan Henderson because sales of Nivea have gone down and they tell the FA he needs to be on telly more, or Joe Hart needs to shift more bottles of Head & Shoulders. There is a quality that a succession of managers see in Henderson, that I cant. thats what i want to get to the bottom of. He has zero quality, other than he looks good in an ad Some try to compare him to Gerrard but he couldn't wipe the sh*t off his back side
JamesfromlondonLCFC Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 7 minutes ago, Donut said: Theres no way that England pick Jordan Henderson because sales of Nivea have gone down and they tell the FA he needs to be on telly more, or Joe Hart needs to shift more bottles of Head & Shoulders. There is a quality that a succession of managers see in Henderson, that I cant. thats what i want to get to the bottom of. if you think big money brands have a problem with squeezing the fa to meet demands youre mistaken. its heavily rumoured nike did it with the Brazilian ronaldo, all they care about is money, and i doubt they care about who they step on to acquire more of it.
Wymsey Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 'Corporate' England international football. Damaging the game for years. What can the FA (Greg Clarke etc) do about it though?
foxaholic Posted 3 September 2016 Posted 3 September 2016 7 hours ago, ARM1968 said: Let me get this right. Not one player from the Premier League champions in England's starting lineup? When has that ever happened except to us. Probablly never
PhillippaT Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 I don't know if I'll even bother watching this match, later - the tennis more important! Go Konta
foxes21 Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 anyone else thinking of watching Algeria instead, if there's a stream? Starts at 20:30 according to google
jmono84 Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 17 minutes ago, foxes21 said: anyone else thinking of watching Algeria instead, if there's a stream? Starts at 20:30 according to google Defo!! I hate the England team and feel I've got more a connection with Algeria right now!!
OriginalRobboFOX Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 I'm not normally one to criticise an England selection too much and I always question whether as City fans we are a bit biased over our own players inclusion but on this occasion I cannot hold back. Rooney shoehorned in as per usual, Kane given the keys as the only frontman after his poor show in the Euros (it's fair to say he's hardly lit the Prem up so far this season) and..... Henderson. Need I say more. I have to question handing the responsibility to the players that were so abject in France. For Sam it's a way of justifying this XI's continued inclusion as they'll still no doubt win without JV and DD.
Corky Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 13 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: 'Corporate' England international football. Damaging the game for years. What can the FA (Greg Clarke etc) do about it though? Do about what? They've appointed a manager, he's picked the team.
CKB Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 Can't wait for Kane to be back on set piece duty, worked wonders at Euro 2016
foxile5 Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 The selection is a disgrace. When England beat German 5 - 1 the German FA took it as a benchmark for the low. They entirely rebuilt, revamped and revised. That is the attitude that we should be taking towards our defeat at the hands of Iceland, this should be the bottom of the trough. What kind of message does it send to the wider footballing community? That it's okay to fail wholesale, embarrass the country and still count on being selected again? What message does it send to Danny Drinkwater and other English midfielders? That you can excel in your field, win the league, be critically acclaimed and still be secondary to a man whose club team bottled their best chance to win the Premier League and a man who put in a shameful performance against Burton Albion. Both of whom have failed on the international stage within the last 4 months. And Rooney. Granted the man is England's top scorer, but he has NEVER turned up at an international tournament, he's the man leading us is he? That's the role model? Plan for failure. I was excited when Sam got the job as I thought, foolishly, he was the man to buck this awful slump, but he's selected the same squad that was unceremoniously dumped out from the Euros within tangible memory. I have long suspected that the FA call the tune, and this further backs it up. How can Raheem Sterling still be in the squad? As a person he's odious, as a player he's just AWFUL. There is potential, yes, but as yet it's unrealised. Why is he playing? I have the inkling that it is due to his status as 'the most expensive English player' and his history of tutelage under the FA, through their academies, through their schemes. In short Raheem Sterling is a perceived success of the FA and has to start. That's what I think to this selection. A ****ing disgrace. Nothing has changed. 4 more years of underachievement and overinflated egos.
sdb Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 Incredible that a new manager with a supposedly fresh approach has gone for exactly the same tried and tested formula to the failure we've just had. Selfishly im happy our players will be fresher for next week, but the stupidity of English managers and the narrow mindedness of our FA continues to astonish me.
brucey Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/03/jamie-vardy-reflects-on-his-surreal-title-winning-year-and-choos/ At least Vardy knows that the new boss is a fan. He reveals that when the squad assembled at Burton, Allardyce confided that he had tried to sign Vardy a few years ago, when he was the West Ham manager and Vardy was at Fleetwood.
Matt Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 36 minutes ago, brucey said: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/03/jamie-vardy-reflects-on-his-surreal-title-winning-year-and-choos/ At least Vardy knows that the new boss is a fan. He reveals that when the squad assembled at Burton, Allardyce confided that he had tried to sign Vardy a few years ago, when he was the West Ham manager and Vardy was at Fleetwood. So did Woy, at West Brom - Well he had a chance to sign him anyway. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/483427/England-Roy-Hodgson-Jamie-Vardy-rejected It was part of the reason I felt Woy held something against Vardy, perhaps it was abit of sour grapes that he wasn't the one who gave Vardy his break. I dunno, perhaps i'm just looking for things, but it certainly does feel like Woy/or now it's virtually the same team that's been selected maybe it's the FA have something against giving players at the lesser (even though we won the league last year) clubs a chance and would rather go for the big name regardless of how poor they play.
SecretPro Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 England are dog shit and always will be. We overrate our players massively most of the time. International football full stop is mainly dog shit. England are dull as dishwater to watch too. Sharnt bother.
Viva Posted 4 September 2016 Posted 4 September 2016 16 hours ago, JamesfromlondonLCFC said: if you think big money brands have a problem with squeezing the fa to meet demands youre mistaken. its heavily rumoured nike did it with the Brazilian ronaldo, all they care about is money, and i doubt they care about who they step on to acquire more of it. You can't compare what Ronaldo and Henderson do for their brands! There is no chance whatsoever that Allardyce has been told he has to pick him!
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