Shots Fired Outside House of Commons

[Parafox]

17 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

If you notice, he has his arms strapped down.... that would be highly unusual for the average injured person....

If he is in a collapsed state or cardiac arrest or dead his arms would flop[ around so we use stretcher straps to retain them within the width of the stretcher. It makes it easier to move them onto and off the ambulance

[Parafox]

3 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

Call me desensitised but I struggle to really be all that outraged.  Compare yesterday to any other major terrorism incident recently and you can't help but conclude that we've come out of this event relatively unscathed.  Yes it is of course upsetting that 4 people died because of some idiots' cause but looking at the papers and social media this morning you'd think half of London had been destroyed.  When do we get to the point where terrorist attacks, particularly small-scale ones, are so unremarkable that they only get a brief mention inside the paper and one or two people taking the time to tweet "such a sad thing to happen #soterrible" like whenever tens of civilians are killed by suicide bombers in places like Baghdad?  I'd much rather we were grateful that it wasn't as bad as it could have been and got on with our lives because surely this constant overreaction to any incident in Europe makes these terrorists who see the images splashed all over the news and millions of people tweeting out hyperbole and about a thousand different hashtags think "good, we're famous, we're getting to them".

I have to agree with you. I was watching the news last night and it was cringe-worthy the way the journo's were carrying on, repeating things that had been said by a previous interviewee, milking the tragic event for all they were worth, so much so that I became irritated and distracted. This was comparatively minor on the scale of things.

When 5 people died in the bin lorry crash it got 20 minutes of coverage on the news. There was no blanket reporting the following day on radio 5 as there is today; repeatedly interviewing different politicians who had been confined within the HoP for the duration.

They're like leeches sucking every drop from this.

[Darkon84]

Looks like the attacker was known to MI5 and was investigated a few years ago, though wasn't classified as dangerous at the time of the attack so wasn't under further surveillance.

[Mike Oxlong]

I'm not going to watch much of the coverage. I know what has happened, I know it's dreadful and I suspect this sort of thing will become a more frequent occurrence in the coming years.

 

I don't need to know if the attacker used to be a good student at school or where he bought his last pair of socks or see the route of the attack from 43 different angles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Parafox]

1 hour ago, The Floyd said:

Ridiculous to say that because others have it worse off that we shouldn't be bothered. There was a terrorist attack in London, of course it's saddening, regardless of its inevitability. 

 

You can't deny people's right to feel emotional at the death of innocent people just because it was on a 'small-scale'.

I don't think he's saying we shouldn't be bothered but that it's the incessant over-reacting of the reporting of this that's disproportionate.

[Beliall]

Something about this attack doesn't sit right with me. obviously its an awful loss of life, and excuse my naivety, I don't mean to cause offense. But we have all seen what these people can do, this attack to me wasn't a full on attack. casualties were low. I feel this was a diversion, test or precursor to something much larger. 

 

I welcome your responses, call me a nobhead and put me right please if you want

[The Floyd]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Not at all what I'm trying to say.  See Babs' post for a better explanation of what I was getting at.

I still disagree but I guess there is no right or wrong answer. The majority of people will and are getting on with their day like normal, but it is the media's job to report on incidents like this and where this differs from a drunk driving incident is that this person went out to intentionally kill as many people as possible. The media are acting like it's a big deal because it is a big deal. I'm sure that coverage will be pretty muted after today so I personally don't see how two days of reporting on a terrorist attack in Westminster is an 'overreaction'. 

[Parafox]

2 minutes ago, Beliall said:

Something about this attack doesn't sit right with me. obviously its an awful loss of life, and excuse my naivety, I don't mean to cause offense. But we have all seen what these people can do, this attack to me wasn't a full on attack. casualties were low. I feel this was a diversion, test or precursor to something much larger. 

 

I welcome your responses, call me a nobhead and put me right please if you want

We won't know if you're right or wrong until and if, something bigger happens or doesn't, ya nobhead

[The Floyd]

8 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I don't think he's saying we shouldn't be bothered but that it's the incessant over-reacting of the reporting of this that's disproportionate.

I get both of your points but I just don't see it is an overreaction (from what I've seen). The public in general are getting on as normal, as is Parliament. Just because it could have been worse it doesn't make it any less significant. 

[Darkon84]

6 minutes ago, Beliall said:

Something about this attack doesn't sit right with me. obviously its an awful loss of life, and excuse my naivety, I don't mean to cause offense. But we have all seen what these people can do, this attack to me wasn't a full on attack. casualties were low. I feel this was a diversion, test or precursor to something much larger.

 

I welcome your responses, call me a nobhead and put me right please if you want

 

It may well be, time will tell. Though the latest from the MET, PM and MI5 is that he wasn't part of a group or cell, just a radicalized British born terrorist and that as things stand, there is no information to point towards a follow up or larger attack. Unless of course, it has a domino effect and someone else takes it upon themselves to now create and coordinate another attack.

[foxy boxing]

My commiserations are with the family and friends of those who have sadly lost their lives in a despicable act of violence. these acts are done to shock and scare us from people who have a warped sense of ideology but we must not let them win and not live our lives in fear but determination to carry on and realise that the life we have is precious and not to take for granted family and friends but to appreciate them more and be thankful that we have people in our lives that we love and trust

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

If he is in a collapsed state or cardiac arrest or dead his arms would flop[ around so we use stretcher straps to retain them within the width of the stretcher. It makes it easier to move them onto and off the ambulance

 

 

On closer examination of the photo it does indeed appear that he's completely incapacitated!

[Babylon]

29 minutes ago, The Floyd said:

I get both of your points but I just don't see it is an overreaction (from what I've seen). The public in general are getting on as normal, as is Parliament. Just because it could have been worse it doesn't make it any less significant. 

Probably depends on what you listen to or watch etc I suppose.

 

Personally I thought the fact the football last night started with 5 minutes of reaction, letting us know what Lee Dixon thought of the incident and then asking the manager about it and then making comments about the players dealing with the incident was ridiculous.

 

It's go to the point people are seemingly scared of people potentially pointing and saying "they don't care..... look how much they don't care.... WE CARE MORE THAN YOU!!!!!".

[The Floyd]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Probably depends on what you listen to or watch etc I suppose.

 

Personally I thought the fact the football last night started with 5 minutes of reaction, letting us know what Lee Dixon thought of the incident and then asking the manager about it and then making comments about the players dealing with the incident was ridiculous.

 

It's go to the point people are seemingly scared of people potentially pointing and saying "they don't care..... look how much they don't care.... WE CARE MORE THAN YOU!!!!!".

Fair point. Thankfully I missed the opening of the football coverage, but agreed that's just totally unnecessary. From a wider perspective though, there's so many angles to be drawn from this attack; people grieving, people being thanked for their heroics, debating whether there should be more armed police, it's sort of inevitable that media reporting will be prolonged, because there's so much to talk about. 

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Probably depends on what you listen to or watch etc I suppose.

 

Personally I thought the fact the football last night started with 5 minutes of reaction, letting us know what Lee Dixon thought of the incident and then asking the manager about it and then making comments about the players dealing with the incident was ridiculous.

 

It's go to the point people are seemingly scared of people potentially pointing and saying "they don't care..... look how much they don't care.... WE CARE MORE THAN YOU!!!!!".

It is absurd.

I'm not sure it's 'we care more than you', I just think these days people are desperate to feel part of events. I know people who marked themselves as 'safe' on facebook hours after the event when all their friends and family knew they were nowhere near Westminster. Social media has encouraged people to see their lives as some kind of exciting, unfolding narrative and we are desperate to be part of big stories.

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

It is absurd.

I'm not sure it's 'we care more than you', I just think these days people are desperate to feel part of events. I know people who marked themselves as 'safe' on facebook hours after the event when all their friends and family knew they were nowhere near Westminster. Social media has encouraged people to see their lives as some kind of exciting, unfolding narrative and we are desperate to be part of big stories.

 

[Voll Blau]

17 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Probably depends on what you listen to or watch etc I suppose.

 

Personally I thought the fact the football last night started with 5 minutes of reaction, letting us know what Lee Dixon thought of the incident and then asking the manager about it and then making comments about the players dealing with the incident was ridiculous.

 

It's go to the point people are seemingly scared of people potentially pointing and saying "they don't care..... look how much they don't care.... WE CARE MORE THAN YOU!!!!!".

And therein lies the problem with the internet age. Even private citizens not making public their views on this is now seen by a minority as a tacit lack of compassion. Morons on Twitter tweeting Gary Lineker et al yesterday to demand they condemn a terrorist attack while it's unfolding and very few verifiable facts are known. I mean FFS, the state of the people who think that's the right way to react to something like this.

[kingcarr21]

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

It is absurd.

I'm not sure it's 'we care more than you', I just think these days people are desperate to feel part of events. I know people who marked themselves as 'safe' on facebook hours after the event when all their friends and family knew they were nowhere near Westminster. Social media has encouraged people to see their lives as some kind of exciting, unfolding narrative and we are desperate to be part of big stories.

I saw on Facebook yesterday a friend of mine say about someone who posted that they were safe. They were in Israel  

[Babylon]

15 minutes ago, bovril said:

It is absurd.

I'm not sure it's 'we care more than you', I just think these days people are desperate to feel part of events. I know people who marked themselves as 'safe' on facebook hours after the event when all their friends and family knew they were nowhere near Westminster. Social media has encouraged people to see their lives as some kind of exciting, unfolding narrative and we are desperate to be part of big stories.

I know someone who lives and works in Brighton who marked themselves as safe

[Strokes]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I know someone who lives and works in Brighton who marked themselves as safe

I forgot to mark myself as safe, I wonder if they sent out a search party?

[ramboacdc]

i had a stay at home mum who lives in ashby declare herself safe and it made my blood boil!

 

i have friends that do work in london that it told me to ask if they were safe and they replied but people marking themselves safe even though they werent there just so they can score a few points on facebook and "hope you're ok babes" makes me furious! 

[Jon the Hat]

10 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

i had a stay at home mum who lives in ashby declare herself safe and it made my blood boil!

 

i have friends that do work in london that it told me to ask if they were safe and they replied but people marking themselves safe even though they werent there just so they can score a few points on facebook and "hope you're ok babes" makes me furious! 

Delete these people from your facebook immediately.  

[bovril]

And is there anything worse than the 'tell it like it is' brigade who think they're being super controversial but are just saying what a million youtube users have already said. "I don't care what people think I'll say it like I see it... the problem is Islam". Wow so edgy and hard-hitting man.

[Finnaldo]

Haven't commented much on this in any capacity since it happened, I've come to learn that it's better to let your passion simmer before approaching anything like this.

 

First of all is massive sympathies and condolences to families and close ones of the individuals who have suffered, it's unfortunately become cliche over recent years but no one should head out for work and not come back in these circumstances. 

 

I've addressed my views on how toxic Social Media has become in politics and world events and as I mentioned at the start I've followed some brief coverage to get the facts and a level head because it seems some are incapable in the quest for their left or right wing points scoring or just to look the part. It's sad.

 

I'm in league with Carl's view on it, ultimately we should remember the lives needlessly taken for some world view distorted by hate and misplaced justification, but I've woke up this morning to go to work, I'll return home at 5, chat to my friends and family and I'll do the exact same tomorrow. Life goes on for the vast majority of us. These people feed off mass coverage to prove how scared we are of them. Every uplifting speech is no good when the front pages are tarred in fear.

 

However, that doesn't mean action shouldn't be taken. Whilst this is an evil minority, the reasons for this sentiment needs to be taken into account and communities need to step up together. This can't be a one way street. 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

3 hours ago, Lionator said:

Religion, in this case Islam, gives a justification for the insane to commit terrifying acts as opposed to just doing it for the sake of it.

People always find a way to

justify insane actions.  Its one of humanities main strengths that we can kid ourselves into anything.

 

To pick up on a couple of other posts about who cares most.  I have sympathy for anyone who loses a loved one prematurely but only to a point.

 

If it doesnt directly affect me, that feeling lasts about 2 minutes.  As soon as it subsided I was back to tweeting about the Jake Livermore starting rumours and surfing Pornhub.