vanity Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 37 minutes ago, shramik said: It's not about having Huth and Morgan play forever though, it's about how you change the backline, without getting battered in the process. As I said before it would be great to have both Maguire and Gibson here, but throwing them in together at the deep end is a bad idea, coupled with the fact that they'll both be eyeing up a world cup spot they'll both want to play, which we can't offer from the outset. This is right I think, though there is also the team chemistry issue. I am on record as saying we desperately need another CB who can bring the ball out. Absolute necessity. And Gibson fits the bill. But we also have to be conscious of fracturing the culture the team has developed. Wes and Huth are part of the backbone of this team, as are Kasper, Vardy, Albrighton, and Drinkwater. We need to be mindful of continuity, possibly even at the expense of goals allowed. We need to maintain the culture, and part of that is slowly integrating new players, exposing them to our standards for workrate, making sure they are properly accepted and become a real part of the team. It sounds really touchy-feely, but the chemistry on this team is real. Look at how Claudio f'd it up royally, dropping players who had won the title for new recruits, treating people like fungible widgits. The whole of the team was greater than the sum of its parts, Claudio fractured the whole by treating it like a Man City or Chelsea, where players overcome chemistry issues with sheer talent, and he demoralized the team. Shakey restored the whole, he showed appreciation and respect for what they had accomplished in the form of his starting line-ups, focused on team-building on break, and consequently the team was revitalized and responded. Dropping both Huth and Morgan bc some young CB wants to make the England squad will damage the trust between the players. On a team like this, you replace 2-3 older players gradually per season if necessary (replacing departing players is wholly different). So if that is what Gibson must have, then we have to pass I think. If he came, he would *likely* be playing with Maguire by February quite regularly, but I don't think Shakey wants players who *expect* or *demand* first-team football as a condition of a transfer. Which is not to say that is what Gibson has done. It is all speculation. But it explains why we haven't moved for him, just like we didn't move for Gaston Ramirez. Some players only fit on paper, and Shakey has a no bad apples policy from the look of it, with how he dealt with Mahrez and Benny recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 46 minutes ago, Claridge said: Or 2 defenders who were relegated against 2 who won the prem a year ago Absurd, all of it. Football is 11 vs 11 ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 1 hour ago, Claridge said: Or 2 defenders who were relegated against 2 who won the prem a year ago I get it. These 2 guys were solely responsible for Hull and Boro going down????? Stick with Morgan and Huth and watch the car crash happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 People are saying this guy will bring the ball out from the back as does Maguire. Who is going to do the defending while that pair glide through the midfield and do a bunch of one two's whilst overlapping? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shram Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 15 minutes ago, mozartfox said: I get it. These 2 guys were solely responsible for Hull and Boro going down????? Stick with Morgan and Huth and watch the car crash happen. No one is saying stick with Morgan and Huth, we've already signed Maguire who will probably take one role. I would assume Gibson wants first team football, if we want to give him that we either drop Maguire or Huth/Morgan. The safest option is the former but I'd assume he's probably expecting first team football, so convince Gibson won't be so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 Surely this "takes time to build a partnership" is a non-point. Morgan/Huth with Maguire is just as new a partnership as Gibson and Maguire would be, save for a few pre season games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 5 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said: Surely this "takes time to build a partnership" is a non-point. Morgan/Huth with Maguire is just as new a partnership as Gibson and Maguire would be, save for a few pre season games. Its the understanding with the defensive unit (fullbacks and keeper) that would suffer not just the understanding with the CB pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonFox Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 I think if we buy a CB, it'll be someone who will be willing to rotate. I know not essential, but Mags also seems to be comfortable at LCB, so would he slide over if Gibbo joined? Might be a Jan deal maybe if we need someone, and Boro are not doing too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 1 hour ago, HoustonFox said: I think if we buy a CB, it'll be someone who will be willing to rotate. I know not essential, but Mags also seems to be comfortable at LCB, so would he slide over if Gibbo joined? Might be a Jan deal maybe if we need someone, and Boro are not doing too well. Exactly my thought. If he's still with Borough in Jan (a risk, I admit) then we can reassess our situation with respect to Huth & Morgan's form & fitness. If they are beginning to fade then we would be able to give Gibson a better guarantee of first team football. At the same time, he would be getting desperate for the move by then, and his contract would have petered out a little bit more (lowering his value). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 Unless we lose some players, we can forget Gibson or anyone else. The squad is ready to burst at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: Unless we lose some players, we can forget Gibson or anyone else. The squad is ready to burst at the minute. Excitement or over eating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyN83 Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 Morgan is becoming a liability, who knows how long Huth will be out, another CB could be the difference between 12th and 8/7th position. Any one of Smalling, Gibson, Sakho, or Jones would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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desertfox2 Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 6 minutes ago, Babylon said: Unless we lose some players, we can forget Gibson or anyone else. The squad is ready to burst at the minute. Nail on head. We had a smaller squad and probably more tight knit squad when we won the title. Something Pearson advocated and surely Shakey will see coming from a coaching background. Even when Ranieri came in first season we didn't add many players. Without European football our squad is way too big at the moment and it will be hard to keep that team spirit and all in it together mentality that won us the league. The problem is the players we would ideally move on nobody seems interested in. And the worry is those that don't get a look in will damage the dressing room spirit. It's natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 36 minutes ago, desertfox2 said: Nail on head. We had a smaller squad and probably more tight knit squad when we won the title. Something Pearson advocated and surely Shakey will see coming from a coaching background. Even when Ranieri came in first season we didn't add many players. Without European football our squad is way too big at the moment and it will be hard to keep that team spirit and all in it together mentality that won us the league. The problem is the players we would ideally move on nobody seems interested in. And the worry is those that don't get a look in will damage the dressing room spirit. It's natural. Wouldn't be surprised if he's given everyone a clean slate to impress pre season, hence nobody going and people like Lawrence getting time. I'm sure we'll see a lot of people move, even if just on loan towards the end of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpjfox Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 Idoubt Gibson will stay at Boro, i expect him to move before the deadline. Thus far it appears WBA are the only team actively interested , i hope we make a move soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 I've been told we are 100% not in this race. However we are after an Italian CB no name as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapero82 Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 1 hour ago, sylofox said: I've been told we are 100% not in this race. However we are after an Italian CB no name as yet. Wague I bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 August 2017 Share Posted 8 August 2017 2 hours ago, sylofox said: I've been told we are 100% not in this race. However we are after an Italian CB no name as yet. Hope he's from Roma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyprusFox Posted 9 August 2017 Share Posted 9 August 2017 6 hours ago, sylofox said: I've been told we are 100% not in this race. However we are after an Italian CB no name as yet. Acerbi?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcnsk Posted 9 August 2017 Share Posted 9 August 2017 2 hours ago, CyprusFox said: Acerbi?? Acerbi recently signed a new five year deal, it could be Ranocchia who did well with Maguire at hull last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieADZ Posted 9 August 2017 Share Posted 9 August 2017 1 hour ago, lcfcnsk said: Acerbi recently signed a new five year deal, it could be Ranocchia who did well with Maguire at hull last season werent West Brom in for him, reported a few months back mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 9 August 2017 Share Posted 9 August 2017 21 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said: werent West Brom in for him, reported a few months back mind West Brom in for a centre-back? NEVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outfox the Fox Posted 9 August 2017 Share Posted 9 August 2017 2 hours ago, lcfcnsk said: Acerbi recently signed a new five year deal, it could be Ranocchia who did well with Maguire at hull last season Of course, Ranocchia is at Inter. IF they do come in with a (decent) bid for Mahrez, we could be considering Ranocchia as part of the deal; but as Worhthington said, he wasn't entirely successful at Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes21 Posted 9 August 2017 Share Posted 9 August 2017 10 hours ago, chapero82 said: Wague I bet Can see this being another perfect storm. Wague turns out to be the bargain of the season. We activate Ngolo's buy back clause next summer after we win the league. He accepts because he wants to be reunited with his old Caen pal Wague. Mahrez, Kante, Wague (& Knockaert ) will become one big happy family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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