Adrien Silva - Terms Agreed

[dsr-burnley]

28 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I he's our player can we release him on a free, then sign him as a free agent 14 seconds later?

No.  The only players that can be registered outside the transfer window are those who were out of contract and were not registered at any club when the last window closed, and haven't been registered since.  Silva was registered with somebody at the relevant date, be it yourself or Sporting.

[Fox 4 Life]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

Aren't all faxes date/timed stamp on sending and receipt?

I'm assuming that's how this 14 seconds is being identified, that being the case surely FIFA will have seen the sent time which makes me think there's some other reason this was not approved.

Probably because we cannot prove when we sent it, if it was a simple as we submitted at 11:59:57 and they received at 12:00:14 and we could prove it, it would have been sorted by now.

[Simo86]

1 minute ago, dsr-burnley said:

No.  The only players that can be registered outside the transfer window are those who were out of contract and were not registered at any club when the last window closed, and haven't been registered since.  Silva was registered with somebody at the relevant date, be it yourself or Sporting.

It was a joke...........

[wardyfox86]

If it was something as simple as a server delaying the receipt of a document, do you really think we'd still be here now if we can prove it?

 

We've not followed the rules on this one, it's clear by the lack of noise our end. 

[AjcW]

Bit confused... wouldn’t the deadline have been 1am with our two our extension? 

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

5 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Disgraceful. If this was a big club they'd allow it.

Didn't the "De Gea Man Utd to Real Madrid" deal fall through in similar circumstances? 

[Sublime_Coatsworth]

Just now, Fox 4 Life said:

Probably because we cannot prove when we sent it, if it was a simple as we submitted at 11:59:57 and they received at 12:00:14 and we could prove it, it would have been sorted by now.

Seems pretty simple given all electronic communications are logged and time-stamped. Proving this kind of stuff happens all the time for me at work.

 

Given this hasn't been sorted out by now it sounds like we didn't actually send it on time according to the logs, in which case we've resorted to the old, 'dog ate it', 'left it on the bus' line of argument - not the best!

[Ricey]

9 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

They have?

 

[Vindaloo FOX]

time to lock the tread and move on i think . 

 

reopen it in January .  

[ealingfox]

We need to get Big Chrissy Ronaldo to go down there and have a word- he won't want a key member of the Portugal squad missing half the season in a World Cup year and FIFA would surely do as he says.

[onekeithweller]

1 minute ago, Ricey said:

 

Good old FA good for FA as usual.

[filbertway]

I reckon we'll bring in Dean Hammond on a short term contract till Jan.

[FoxFossil]

1 hour ago, Johnthefoxrayner said:

Where is Silva now, has he gone back to Sporting Lisbon. 

Paris Airport. We have a private suite now.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Price will go up loads in January.  This f***s us.

[Trav Le Bleu]

It's pedantic in the extreme. Where else would you buy something, but not be allowed to use it? 

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

4 minutes ago, Ricey said:

 

That's probably the end of it then 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Price will go up loads in January.  This f***s us.

They can't change the price. He's already bought.

[SCP4Ever]

12 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

Slightly off topic but...

 

 

 

 

He was actually quoting West Ham fans that call them that.

And it's Sporting Clube de Portugal, or Sporting Portugal

 

1 minute ago, ROB-THE-BLUE said:

Didn't the "De Gea Man Utd to Real Madrid" deal fall through in similar circumstances? 

From the way it ended, with him staying at United, the clubs didn't agree to a deal before the deadline, so he was still a United player. This is different, as the clubs agreed to a deal before the deadline, the player successfully terminated his contract with SCP, and successfully signed with Leicester, but his registration with the FA and the PL, which started before the deadline, ended 14 seconds after it.

[frany104]

So is he our player? He just wont be able to play till January? 

[davieG]

12 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

Probably because we cannot prove when we sent it, if it was a simple as we submitted at 11:59:57 and they received at 12:00:14 and we could prove it, it would have been sorted by now.

That's my point faxes are date and time stamped so the proof would be there. 

[Bagworthblue]

We have grounds to appeal on the basis the terms state submit which I would suggest would be legally interpreted as the proactive act of sending in this case and not the reactive acr of receiving. But if FIFA play hardball are we really likely to look to take costly and time consuming legal action against a foreign body with jurisdiction outside english law? Interesting to know which body of law the terms are subject to.

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

3 minutes ago, SCP4Ever said:

 

He was actually quoting West Ham fans that call them that.

And it's Sporting Clube de Portugal, or Sporting Portugal

 

Everyone outside of Portugal calls your club Sporting Lisbon, as the name otherwise only indicates the country which is ridiculous. We don't have England United FC or Britain Rovers FC.

 

 

[Buzzell]

16 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Bit confused... wouldn’t the deadline have been 1am with our two our extension? 

11pm window shuts allowing us up to 1am to get the paperwork in. 

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

We have budgets to stick to, we don't know if that wold have taken us over budget or over FFP if we hadn't completed the DD transfer.

I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure we can defend the club if the policy has been 'let's see the cash before we splash the cash'. If the margins were that fine then the Drinkwater deal either had to be done earlier or not at all. Or we raise the money elsewhere to cover these eventualities - for example by lowering our asking price for Mendy / Slimani etc. Not spending millions on a back-up keeper who finds himself third choice and so on. 

 

Selling a key player without a replacement lined up is such a red-line for a forward-thinking club that, should FFP be the issue, you have to do everything possible to avoid putting yourself in that position. Including, if necessary, risking a breach of FFP. What we've done is clearly prioritised financial gain over the footballing side.

 

Months ago I posted about an agent who'd been talking about how well-run clubs avoid Deadline Day chaos. He said (i) You speak clearly with all players in May to establish where there are likely to be issues, and how far your club will go to accommodate them, rather than allowing issues to surface in August. (ii) You set very clear internal deadlines and share them first with your staff, and later with any club expressing interest. Then you stick to them. For example, if no bid approaching our valuation has been formally received by Day 1 of the season, then no business will be done.

 

He pointed out that these rules can be broken, but said it's surprising how many supposedly well-run clubs simply don't do these things.

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, buzzer_b said:

11pm window shuts allowing us up to 1am to get the paperwork in. 

Yh just all reports saying FIFA rejected as it was past midnight...