Huddersfield Away 1-1 post match

[Guest MattP]

Stole a point.

 

King and Ndidi arent a Championship midfield.

[splinterdream]

4 minutes ago, foxinsox said:

With Cambiasso it only worked 352.

 

I thought Iborra was pretty good pre season. No panic yet...

I saw Iborra play for the U23's mid-week, he scored and looks powerful and aggressive but not sure he's a midfielder for a 4-4-2

[Eagle10]

1 hour ago, Cockyfox said:

Been on foxestalk a while but have never really felt the need to create an account but thought I might as well give my thoughts. 

I think whilst the criticism of Shakey is somewhat warranted, it's a bit early to question his position at the moment. If he insists on playing 442 every game I would start to question his position because I think it's clear to everyone that we need a change of system. We are constantly getting overpowered in the midfield and I think 3 in midfield is definitely needed so we will see if Shakey can adapt for Tuesday or next weekend.

Probably an unpopular opinion but think we missed James today despite King having a decent game. James seems to drop deep and collect the ball similar to how Drinkwater did and whilst Ndidi is good at winning the ball back his pass completion leaves a lot to be desired and we struggled to keep possession at all today. We obviously need a creative midfielder so if/when we get Silva and Iborra is back fit one of them has to start as none of our players are creating chances apart from Mahrez who I think gets a lot of harsh criticism on this site. He must have created well over half of our chances in the first 5 games.

As for the strikers, all of them haven't finished very well so far this season. I can remember the criticism of Slimani last week for the chance missed against Chelsea, well Iheanacho missed a very similar chance today and I haven't seen anyone mention it and of course Vardy missed a dead certain open goal so everyone misses at some point. Lets be honest none of our goals have been good finishes. Okazaki has had two tap ins, Vardy has scored 2 penalties, a tap in and a decent header so I think the finishing has to improve. I don't really care who starts up front as long as they take the majority of their chances and it seems like no one is doing that at the minute. 

I can't see us in any trouble of going down however I think a change of formation is a must so over to you Shakey...

 

Spot on. The duality of criteria in this forum is mad, if Slimani missed the chance that Vardy missed today, the amount of criticism he would get, would have been outrageous.

[Suzie the Fox]

3 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Spot on. The duality of criteria in this forum is mad, if Slimani missed the chance that Vardy missed today, the amount of criticism he would get, would have been outrageous.

If Slim missed the sitter from today instead of Vardy, im pretty sure i wouldnt dare to log on for at least a week. 

[foxes_rule1978]

7 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

Spot on. The duality of criteria in this forum is mad, if Slimani missed the chance that Vardy missed today, the amount of criticism he would get, would have been outrageous.

Yes, but vardy scores regularly despite that miss, slim unfortunately hasn't done so for us. 

[manders86]

Vardy has earnt a lot more good will than Slim though hasn't he. Is it not fair to give Vardy more slack due to him being one of the best strikers we've ever had?

 He's got a few quid in the emotional bank account whereas Slim hasn't..  same as when Kasper messed up last week..

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Yes, but vardy scores regularly despite that miss, slim unfortunately hasn't done so for us. 

It might have something to do with the game time? 

[Monsell1976]

2 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Yes, but vardy scores regularly despite that miss, slim unfortunately hasn't done so for us. 

But in fairness plays regular, slim isn't getting a fair run of games

[Great Boos Up]

Right here and now I'll take the away point, But there are too many extra touches trying to impress when we counter. We are no longer terrifying on the break. Shakey is trying to please everyone with game time and I believe that is the best thing to do at this point. He knows the players balls to bone and when it clicks someone's in for a thumping.

[Suzie the Fox]

2 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Yes, but vardy scores regularly despite that miss, slim unfortunately hasn't done so for us. 

Pretty sure Slim had a better goal to thingy ratio last season than Vardy ? 

 

Not saying ii'd start with Slim over Vardy any game but just saying  

[foxes_rule1978]

5 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Pretty sure Slim had a better goal to thingy ratio last season than Vardy ? 

 

Not saying ii'd start with Slim over Vardy any game but just saying  

Vardy wasn't great for sure until the final three months... under Shakey he has been far more effective 

[mozartfox]

4 hours ago, Redouane said:

Shakespeare needs to go. 

Rudkin needs to go before Shakey,

[Bluetintedspecs]

5 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Pretty sure Slim had a better goal to thingy ratio last season than Vardy ? 

 

Not saying ii'd start with Slim over Vardy any game but just saying  

Don't you mean goal to oooojermaflip ? 

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Rudkin needs to go before Shakey,

That won't happen - who would make plans for vichai's horses ? 

[ian_marshall]

Having been at today's game Huddersfield were everything we used to be; cohesive, hard working and incredibly fit.

 

By comparison we looked very disjointed and poorly organised. We're fast becoming mid table Premier League plodders. A team full of established players that simply struggle to play as a team. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing time will tell and is down to personal opinion. However I feel that we're evolving into a team in the mould of Stoke and West Brom settling for mid table mediocrity rather than pushing to elevate our game to the next level. For the first time in a long while I feel like the club both on and off the pitch has no clear vision or direction which is saddening considering that less than 2 years ago the club was being heralded as the model that others should follow. 

 

Let's take nothing away from Huddersfield, they're a very good team and will surprise quite a few this season, however we really needed to ask more questions. Setting up in a 442 knowing that they would play 5 in midfield playing a high tempo pressing game seemed rather naive. First half our midfield was non-existent. Admittedly things improved slightly second half but N'didi was well off the pace today. If Iborra is fit then he has to play a part in these types of games.

 

I was also very surprised by the Vardy substitution, he certainly didn't look injured contrary to what Shakespeare said in his post match interview but if he was struggling then fair enough.

 

Not a disaster today by any stretch given the quality of the opposition but I hope that moving forwards we can be a bit more dynamic and flex our style in order to be prepared for the opposition rather than simply sticking to the same old formula week in, week out. 

[Eagle10]

23 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

If Slim missed the sitter from today instead of Vardy, im pretty sure i wouldnt dare to log on for at least a week. 

And that would be a wise choice.

[Jattdogg]

Should have been 3 points. It isnt. We move on. Hope we can pick up a draw against liverpool. Screw the cup match, 1 or 3 points is more important right now.

[Reg Vardy]

We have played 4 teams in the top six, plus Arsenal......a point away is a point away, we will never be great every game, but Huddersfield have been beaten once so far.and are still in the 110 mph mode...reminded me of Hull away last year....we will be fine.

one of my favourite comments tonight "not sure Iborra can play in midfield in a "4-4-2"" based on one Under 23 game.....there's a knowledgeable comment.....

[smudger63]

11 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said:

But in fairness plays regular, slim isn't getting a fair run of games

Not only that, but all the stick he`s been getting on here tonight is just to make him a scapegoat, someone to blame for the ineptitude of pretty much everyone else who played for us today..

If we are just going to lump high balls up to him, most of which went over his head anyway, while he has his back to goal, then we might as well forget it.

To get the best out of Slimani we have to get the ball out wide and get crosses into the box, something we failed to do once, after he came on to the pitch.

Instead we just lumped it up field aimlessly, it was truly shocking!

The chance he had last week, which he was lambasted for, was actually a good save from their keeper, yes he should have scored, but it still took a good save to keep it out.

Not forgetting that it was him that won the ball, then chased Mahrez and Vardy the length of the pitch to get the chance.

Vardy himself had a decent chance against Chelsea before that, which he mishit and screwed wide, and yet no mention, just as his open goal tap in today is easily over looked on here.

I`m not actually knocking Vardy because it happens, all strikers miss chances, but i think Slimani gets a rough deal on here, and is picked out and made a scapegoat far too readily.

 

 

[Suzie the Fox]

20 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Don't you mean goal to oooojermaflip ? 

Hehehe yes .. had a brain fart and forgot the correct terminology 

[Ian Nacho]

Wasn't the best of days today, we seemed sloppy all afternoon in every department. We couldn't string three passes going forward, it was always backwards or sideways. In front of goal we weren't clinical enough with the Iheanacho chance and also Vardy, evident with the fact we only had one shot on target that we didn't create enough. The defending for the goal was by Maguire was dreadful, he was turned like he wasn't even there. All said and done, it's just one of those things, a new club early in the season, away from home it's to be expected. I would be more concerned if it was in December at home. Move on, we haven't lost and now focus on Liverpool.

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Winning 7 and drawing 3 of all your games against those outside last seasons top 7 isn't anywhere close to incompetent. Let's chuck in wins against Liverpool, Seville and a draw with Athletico Madrid as well for good measure and it shows how ridiculous a statement that is.

 

You are free to your opinion I'm free to say you are clearly wrong and so far results show that also. We are 15th after having one of the hardest starts to the season.

 

Am I happy, no. Is the jury still out on him, yes. Do performances need to improve, yes. But incompetent he has not shown himself to be by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Perhaps he will go on to be, but the record at this moment clearly shows you are wrong. You want to chuck about incompetence then chuck it the way of the people who robbed him of a creative cm until January for starters.

 

I would also hope that goodness knows how many years here warrants him a bit more respect than being called, what was it "dough boy"?!

Yes, in hindsight, 'doughboy', in the heat of the moment was wrong. He doesn't however naturally exude an air  commanding of respect or any form of gravitas as a manager. How does he come over to his players I wonder, he's very likeable but do they actually respect him?

 

I doubt very much he had much say in that Liverpool performance.  The players were hurting,  the press and half the footballing world were on their backs after the sacking of Ranieri rightly or wrongly. They came out like scalded cats and in the next few matches some momentum continued but I didn't witness any real change in input or management skills from Shakespeare. Once we had just about secured our Premiership status the warning signs started to reappear. Performances faulted and he didn't appear to be able to motivate them. The warning signs for me started then.

 

Whatever the reasons why, certain areas of our transfer policy faulted as you quite rightly say, but, we also bought some good players as well. Even without Silva and Iborra, we still have individuals that are possibly better than many of our rivals IF certain formations and tactics are changed, there have been a number of posts eluding to this on here, not just mine. According to Shakespeare in his post match interview todsy he didn't feel that our midfield was overrun ....really? I wasn't there but certainly in the first half the commentary appeared to highlight that problem as callers afterwards. It certainly was a problem against Arsenal , Man United and Chelsea, why can't he see it? Sadly, if things don't change in the next couple of games I fear for his future and I hope our owners are currently proactive in seeking for a replacement. 

[Monsell1976]

8 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Not only that, but all the stick he`s been getting on here tonight is just to make him a scapegoat, someone to blame for the ineptitude of pretty much everyone else who played for us today..

If we are just going to lump high balls up to him, most of which went over his head anyway, while he has his back to goal, then we might as well forget it.

To get the best out of Slimani we have to get the ball out wide and get crosses into the box, something we failed to do once, after he came on to the pitch.

Instead we just lumped it up field aimlessly, it was truly shocking!

The chance he had last week, which he was lambasted for, was actually a good save from their keeper, yes he should have scored, but it still took a good save to keep it out.

Not forgetting that it was him that won the ball, then chased Mahrez and Vardy the length of the pitch to get the chance.

Vardy himself had a decent chance against Chelsea before that, which he mishit and screwed wide, and yet no mention, just as his open goal tap in today is easily over looked on here.

I`m not actually knocking Vardy because it happens, all strikers miss chances, but i think Slimani gets a rough deal on here, and is picked out and made a scapegoat far too readily.

 

 

Him and mahrez are scapegoats on here, Albrighton has been poor so far this season, but goes under the radar, Okazaki gets away with it, and so on, but if these two try something and get caught, or miss  one chance they are crucified.

The problems are bigger than individual players, starts with the manager, and go from there, the players look disjointed and lost this season.

[mod hero]

Did anyone else hear Shakey say that Huddersfield didn't have an extra man in midfield earlier?

 

im really starting to believe he's out of his depth

[ZeGuy]

4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

He did have options though,  just in my opinion, the main one being that after 4 games,  at the moment, with who we have available in midfield, he should recognise that we're not strong enough to play a 442 and the same tactics over and over again. Therefore alter the formation to something more comensurate with the players we have available. He's just commented that he didn't think our midfield was overrun? 

I think, anyone can see that we're not up to a 4-4-2, especially with that midfield and suppose that if we see it, then Shakey surely does too? I refuse to hang him out to dry as long as he doesn't have all the players. 

 

PR thing? He's surely not going to slate his own midfield in public, does he?