Is Demarai Gray an enigma?

[SheppyFox]

Enigma is another, shortened word for end of a bell? 

[ARM1968]

In the words of U2 - Get out of your own way!

[foxes21]

basically schlupp but with more step overs 

[splinterdream]

I'm quite concerned about his development, he seems to have gone backwards like chilwell, not sure if he'll be good enough

[ChownLC]

We'll be saying he has potential for years, he isnt good enough and never will be.

[Foxxed]

23 hours ago, InLoveWithNgolo said:

We'll be saying he has potential for years, he isnt good enough and never will be.

We'll be saying it until he's 25.

 

Player development isn't linear. Just because he isn't developing at the speed you assume he will, it doesn't mean he won't at all. I get the idea one day things will just click for him: a eureka moment.

 

A few matches ago you saw him on the tunnel cam with a self help book under his arm. Whether it'll help or not, who knows: but there is the possibility of improvement and to throw that away is wasteful.

 

We all moan that we don't invest enough in the development of English players. Well if we want to, this is the price you have to pay. You don't get anything for free and nothing comes easy. Gray is a very good example of this.

[lcfcsnow]

On 01/02/2018 at 18:21, foxes21 said:

basically schlupp but with more step overs 

Schlupps pace and directness made things happen though, Gray either slows things down to a halt, shoots from an obscene position or runs straight into trouble

[Bazly]

Gray is no enigma, he can be read like an open book. He plays well when we play well. Gets stroppy if something 'happens'. If the game isn't going well he is incapable of changing things and tends to just disappear. So, a great bench player to throw on to rest players when the game is secure but unlikely to ever impact a game in a decisive and positive way. Not a grab the game by the scruff of the neck kind of midfielder.

[sk3since03]

I’m trying really hard to like him if i’m honest, i think he’s pretty average 

[dynamark]

One word well two -mental strength  !

Never met the lad but he looks like he just needs a better level of concentration and self awareness and he can do the business.Come on

[l444ry]

Not sure what his coaching development consisted of but he doesn't seem to have grasped the fact that his greed wrecks the tempo of our forward play  Needs to get on script or play Championship football where he can get away with this. All head down and oblivious to all around him for my money.

[dylanlegend]

What is starting to worry me is that I'm starting to think it may not be his attitude but maybe he is just not good enough?

[Foxxed]

Gray's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

[UPinCarolina]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

Gray's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

In tin foil behind the fridge

[cropstonfox]

On 01/02/2018 at 18:21, foxes21 said:

basically schlupp but with more step overs 

Schlupp was a lot bettér.Also better than Chillwell.You don't know what you've got till its gone!

[GloverFox]

.... is he an enigma? .... No, he’s a brummie I think ......!

[Blanchflower78]

Needs a new challenge. Not up to standard we require sadly. Someone in Prem would definitely snap him up tho.

[The Fox Covert]

11 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Gray's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

This quote was coined by Winston Churchill about Russia. Fits Gray though like a glove.

[norwichfox]

Is Demarai Gray an enigma?

 

I thought of him as English due to his selection for u21 internationals, being dark skinned doesn't make him Enigmanian....

[mozartfox]

On 2/2/2018 at 02:14, SheppyFox said:

Enigma is another, shortened word for end of a bell? 

 No no no.  That is ‘Smegma‘ Sheps.

[Colourmy]

No, no he isn't, he's just rubbish. He is not a PL standard player by a country mile. Top half championship, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe. Bottom half/ League One - Yes, absolutely his bag. Running and endeavour quite often get mistaken for skill and talent here on Foxestalk.

Edited 3 February 2018 by Colourmy

[David Hankey]

He still has a lot to prove, consistency for example.

[Fox92]

2 minutes ago, Colourmy said:

No, no he isn't, he's just rubbish. He is not a PL standard player by a country mile. Top half championship, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say maybe. Bottom half/ League One - Yes, absolutely his bag.

There's no such thing as a "PL standard player".

 

The top 6 have quality squads, the rest of us don't. Every squad outside the top 6 is full of players that wouldn't be considered "PL standard".

Edited 3 February 2018 by Fox92

[Colourmy]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

There's no such thing as a "PL standard player".

 

The top 6 have quality squads, the rest of us don't. 

So the top 6 have the PL standard then?

[Fox92]

Just now, Colourmy said:

So the top 6 have the PL standard then?

They have quality players which, by your definition, would be "PL standard".

 

But every other team has starting 11's full of players that wouldn't be considered "PL standard". Take Bournemouth, who have the likes of Steve Cook and Simon Francis starting in their defence every week .... yet, they are 10th.

 

You don't need superstars of "PL standard" players to win games. The league is not strong outside the top 6.