Murder rate in London higher than in New York for the first time

[boots60]

1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said:

The lure of executive scooter crime is on the up.

Started in Brighton. Easter 1964.

Bit different now though.

[Wymsey]

Another youngster is now an unfortunate victim..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43632352

[marbles]

11 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Sadly the reason that the NYC crime rate dropped is, (and i hate to say it) due to Donald Trump and his mates, buying up the poor parts of NYC in the 80s and chasing/pricing the poor out of the city.

What ?!?

Where did they go ?

 

 

 

[Carl the Llama]

3 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Another youngster is now an unfortunate victim..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43632352

These shootings would never have happened if the victims had guns.

[ozleicester]

2 hours ago, marbles said:

What ?!?

Where did they go ?

 

 

 

did you not understand... or is it an attempt at sarcasm? 

 

They were pushed further away or even to homelessness.

 

https://macaulay.cuny.edu/eportfolios/affordablehousingnyc/the-effect-of-gentrification-on-affordable-housing/

 

... low-income households have much higher turnover rates than other households. Thus, gentrification does not only displace the neighborhood’s original low-income inhabitants, it replaces them.

 

[Danno]

Import the third world, get the third world

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, DanNDH88 said:

Import the third world, get the third world

Glad to see the correlative and causative link has been proven conclusively, then.

[Innovindil]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

 

An usual stabbing of the day. 78 year old man arrested of suspicion of murder after stabbing a home invader dead. 

 

Like his neighbours, I can't say I blame the guy. If someone broke into my house, I would potentially do the same thing. Not sure how you can blame someone's natural fight or flight response to a criminal threat. 

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

 

An usual stabbing of the day. 78 year old man arrested of suspicion of murder after stabbing a home invader dead. 

 

Like his neighbours, I can't say I blame the guy. If someone broke into my house, I would potentially do the same thing. Not sure how you can blame someone's natural fight or flight response to a criminal threat. 

And then people wonder why scum bags think they can do as they please.

 

What exactly is the old bloke meant to do, ask them to leave quietly? Ask them if he can use his own phone to call the cops, then wait three days for them to arrive. 

 

If you make your presence known and they decide they are going to continue stealing your shit, or engage in any sort of threat or physical contact you should be able to stab the ****ers.

[Danno]

18 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

 

An usual stabbing of the day. 78 year old man arrested of suspicion of murder after stabbing a home invader dead. 

 

Like his neighbours, I can't say I blame the guy. If someone broke into my house, I would potentially do the same thing. Not sure how you can blame someone's natural fight or flight response to a criminal threat. 

Surely they have to arrest him, doesn’t mean he’ll be charged though. If they didn’t, surely you could just murder someone in your home claiming that they broke in.

[Buce]

1 hour ago, Innovindil said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

 

An usual stabbing of the day. 78 year old man arrested of suspicion of murder after stabbing a home invader dead. 

 

Like his neighbours, I can't say I blame the guy. If someone broke into my house, I would potentially do the same thing. Not sure how you can blame someone's natural fight or flight response to a criminal threat. 

 

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

And then people wonder why scum bags think they can do as they please.

 

What exactly is the old bloke meant to do, ask them to leave quietly? Ask them if he can use his own phone to call the cops, then wait three days for them to arrive. 

 

If you make your presence known and they decide they are going to continue stealing your shit, or engage in any sort of threat or physical contact you should be able to stab the ****ers.

 

I think there will be public outrage if he's charged - not only was the scum in his house, but he was also half his age and threatening him with a screwdriver. Frankly, in my opinion, the burglar got precisely what he deserved. As far as I'm concerned when you enter a private dwelling as a burglar you leave your Human Rights outside.

[Free Falling Foxes]

Those who have died so far:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43640475

Wonder how many are victims of 'Turf Wars'?

[Rogstanley]

Not a surprise in the least when you’ve got a society in which many youngsters have no stake and a government who doesn’t want to help them. This is all part of the gradual breakdown in society under this government. 

 

Reacting with authoritative force will bring the stats down short term but will only stoke the flames of discontent and marginalisation still further and ultimately make the problem worse. The key is to make people feel part of and responsibility for the society in which they live, but there isn’t much profit in that, so nobody can be arsed. Tory Britain.

[z-layrex]

5 hours ago, Innovindil said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183

 

An usual stabbing of the day. 78 year old man arrested of suspicion of murder after stabbing a home invader dead. 

 

Like his neighbours, I can't say I blame the guy. If someone broke into my house, I would potentially do the same thing. Not sure how you can blame someone's natural fight or flight response to a criminal threat. 

How the **** can they arrest him for that? Deserves a medal.

[Wymsey]

Another young victim, now in Hackney.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43649193

When will the government etc act?..

[Guest Kopfkino]

Sadiq is too busy playing politics, seems more interested in campaigning for the locals. The government is quite happy to ignore it as well, just leave it to the mayor and Met to deal with. 

Still at least its not as bad as Baltimore. 

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Sadiq is too busy playing politics, seems more interested in campaigning for the locals. The government is quite happy to ignore it as well, just leave it to the mayor and Met to deal with. 

Still at least its not as bad as Baltimore. 

I’m coming to London tomorrow with my kids, I’ll let you all know if I return home without any fatalities 

[Stadt]

3 hours ago, Strokes said:

I’m coming to London tomorrow with my kids, I’ll let you all know if I return home without any fatalities 

You'd be doing a better job than some Leicestershire parents if you return with a full set of kids, regardless of any stabbings.

[Parafox]

17 hours ago, DanNDH88 said:

Surely they have to arrest him, doesn’t mean he’ll be charged though. If they didn’t, surely you could just murder someone in your home claiming that they broke in.

He'll probably be charged with manslaughter. what happens after that will likely depend on the "reasonable force" argument.

[Countryfox]

14 hours ago, Rogstanley said:

Not a surprise in the least when you’ve got a society in which many youngsters have no stake and a government who doesn’t want to help them. This is all part of the gradual breakdown in society under this government. 

 

Reacting with authoritative force will bring the stats down short term but will only stoke the flames of discontent and marginalisation still further and ultimately make the problem worse. The key is to make people feel part of and responsibility for the society in which they live, but there isn’t much profit in that, so nobody can be arsed. Tory Britain.

 

Vote labour and save lives ..    wonder if they can stop it raining as much as well ....    

[ealingfox]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/in-context-just-how-bad-is-londons-murder-rate-11315585

 

London has experienced a spike in stabbings and shootings, but is the rate per 100,000 people any worse than other UK regions?

 

Sky News has identified that in the first quarter of this year, 46 people have been killed in London.

A shocking figure and one that is prompting headlines along the lines of "London Murder Rate Overtakes New York".

 

It is true to say that this spike in violent crime in the capital has led to more murders committed in the city in February and March than there were in New York - but context is important.

Image:Tanesha Melbourne, 17, died on 2 April, bringing the number of London homicides to 45

Firstly, New York's homicide rate has been declining steadily since a horrendous period in the 1990s when more than 2,000 people were killed each year. Last year, the NYPD investigated 290 homicides.

 

Perhaps the best way to look at these figures is per 100,000 population.

 

On that metric, New York has the lowest rate per 100,000 of any of the United States' five largest cities.

 

Using Office for National Statistics figures for homicide - both murder and manslaughter - in each British constabulary area (Sept 2016 - Sept 2017), we can see that London has a rate of 1.45 homicides per 100,000 people.

 

This is around the same as Leicestershire (1.5), West Yorkshire (1.45) and Derbyshire (1.6).

There are plenty of places with a worse rate and some may surprise you.

Image:(L-R) Steve Narvaez-Jara, Abraham Badru and Hannah Leonard were killed in London in 2018

The worst is Greater Manchester where 61 deaths led to a rate of around 2.44 homicides per 100,000 people.

There were 12 homicides in Glasgow last year leading to a rate of about two per 100,000 and West Midlands Police recorded 44 homicides, giving the area a rate of about 1.76.

Even North Wales Police, who recorded 13 homicides, has a higher rate than London at about 1.88.

All of this, of course, does not detract from problems the capital faces.

Image:Youth worker Kwabena Nelson, 22, was stabbed to death in Tottenham

If the current rate of homicides continues at the pace we have seen so far, there could be as many as 180 people killed on the streets this year.

The bigger picture is that about 750 people were killed either by murder or manslaughter in the UK last year.

 

Here is the breakdown:

:: England: 641 homicides (Sep 2016 - Sept 2017)
:: Wales: 32 homicides (Sep 2016 - Sep 2017)
:: Northern Ireland: 15 homicides (Jan 2017- Jan 2018)
:: Scotland: 64 homicides (Oct 2016 - Oct 2017)

[Rob1742]

A mate of mine is a solicitor and he told me how bad the stabbing and killings were in London about 12 years ago.

 

At that time he told me it never makes the newspapers, but he said you wouldn’t believe the deaths that occur weekly that aren’t publicised.

 

He said it was generally black gangs, and he thought it wasn’t publicised as it happens within their own neighbourhoods so the papers turn a blind eye. 

 

The thing that struck me about what he said was that most are young, and if a guy goes down for murder at say 20 years old, he goes in prison a hero, and comes out just 10 years later at 30, still young but still a hero. 

 

There are so many problems in these communities, disappearing for 10 years and coming out a hero has it’s advantages. 

 

He told me at some point the issue would rear it’s ugly head as it couldn’t be kept under the radar for ever.

 

He made a living out of getting calls in the middle of the night to speak to lads in custody who were suspected of murder. In fact when we had this conversation he had just seen a lad who had been put in Glen Parva who was on a murder charge for caving another lads head in with a baseball bat. I asked him if the lad had done it. He said that the lad had said he hadn’t so he was in his right to defend him. 

 

Now years later it’s all coming out. It was okay not to publicise it years ago as they kept it within their own circle, but now it’s gone to another level it’s getting publicity.

 

I just find it so sad that communities can end up this way. Young kids see it as a way of life, young kids look up to murderers and it’s just alien to most people. Just incredibly sad that young kids have this mindset in this country at this time. 

[Rob1742]

On 04/04/2018 at 19:11, Rogstanley said:

Not a surprise in the least when you’ve got a society in which many youngsters have no stake and a government who doesn’t want to help them. This is all part of the gradual breakdown in society under this government. 

 

Reacting with authoritative force will bring the stats down short term but will only stoke the flames of discontent and marginalisation still further and ultimately make the problem worse. The key is to make people feel part of and responsibility for the society in which they live, but there isn’t much profit in that, so nobody can be arsed. Tory Britain.

This isn’t a new situation. Read my post about what my solicitor told me 12 years ago. And it didn’t start 12 years ago either, the problems have been around for decades. A cheap political shot. The Green Party could get in and they won’t stop this happening. This has been a problem since these communities came together.

 

Perhaps as a country we should have integrated people coming into our country rather than put them in their own ghettos. From day one we have marginalised them,  rather than us live as one. 

 

Your shot at the Torries is wrong and inaccurate, this is a problem that has been rumbling for decades and it comes down to how we integrated immigrants into our country way back in the 60’s and 70’s. 

 

A good proportion of these people have made decent lives for themselves and flourished. But others have stayed in the ghettos that we built for them and still have that mentality. 

 

 

[Rogstanley]

25 minutes ago, Rob1742 said:

This isn’t a new situation. Read my post about what my solicitor told me 12 years ago. And it didn’t start 12 years ago either, the problems have been around for decades. A cheap political shot. The Green Party could get in and they won’t stop this happening. This has been a problem since these communities came together.

 

Perhaps as a country we should have integrated people coming into our country rather than put them in their own ghettos. From day one we have marginalised them,  rather than us live as one. 

 

Your shot at the Torries is wrong and inaccurate, this is a problem that has been rumbling for decades and it comes down to how we integrated immigrants into our country way back in the 60’s and 70’s. 

 

A good proportion of these people have made decent lives for themselves and flourished. But others have stayed in the ghettos that we built for them and still have that mentality. 

 

 

No I know it has been going on for years. I remember watching McIntyre Undercover on the subject probably 20 years ago. Point is that we're seeing a big spike in murders now, considerably more than we've seen in the past so the problem is definitely getting worse under this government and I think my point about young people feeling excluded from society stands. Not saying labour or any other government would stroll in and fix the issue immediately but it's a certainty that the sort of divisive policies and austerity we get from the Tories will make it worse. That's why it's getting worse.

[purpleronnie]

As tragic as it is I think we need some perspective here.

 

Yes its risen higher than NY, but that's for 3 months, its highly unlikely to be higher than NY over the year, and NY murder rate is much lower than it used to be. 

 

London still has a murder rate that's actually lower than it was a decade ago.

 

It's a hot news story so everything that happens in London now is getting reported.

 

The murder rate was actually higher when there were more policemen.

 

But community policing is important, you need policemen patrolling the beat in those high crime areas.  But there is a bigger wider issue that encompasses mental health, gangs, rehabilitation, community centres, etc...just look to Glasgow to see how much work is needed to change things.