David Wagner

[urban.spaceman]

10 hours ago, justfoxes said:

Can we not put a cheeky bid in for Diego Simeone ???

I've been saying this for weeks. Dream big. 

[Dan]

I quite like Wagner. I can't believe you'd write him off completely based on his form at a side with significantly less resources than us.

 

He's not going to have his side fail to score in 19 games with Vardy in his side.

 

I do have some reservations over him, and wonder if he'd go the same way as Puel, but I wouldn't be upset if he was our answer.

[Dan]

On 07/05/2018 at 07:32, Sharpe's Fox said:

I'm not saying he's a bad manager, like Warnock isn't a bad manager, but because he is Klopps best mate people think his teams play the same way. In reality they are a shithouse team like Burnley and got promoted with a negative goal difference.

I don't remember Burnley ever outplaying us like Huddersfield did at their place.

[The_77]

46 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I've been saying this for weeks. Dream big. 

I can’t imagine anything other than an exorbitant fee would even get his attention. He’s got Champions League football with Atléti next season, when the final will be at his home park. 

[Dan]

On 07/05/2018 at 09:01, Happy Fox said:

http://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/109444/leicester-after-wagner

Some of the criticism is fair, but a few funny ones:

 

- Sideways move. I mean honestly, HONESTLY?

- Load of stuff about how demanding our fans, board etc... are which is fair enough, then suggests going to Everton instead  

- "Leeds or Sunderland would be bigger moves"  Yeah what prosperous jobs they both are at the minute.

[Freeman's Wharfer]

I like Wagner and think he's done a great job with Huddersfield but I question whether he'd be the right man for us...

 

Firstly, if we sack Puel then there needs to be a major clear-out on the playing side too (Morgan, Simpson, Huth, Okazaki and Fuchs all need moving on IMO) to the extent that Vardy and Schmeichel lose the power base around them as the only two survivors from when player power was accepted at LCFC. We need a manager with a big enough reputation and standing in the game to make that clear-out happen and not be undermined or questioned - someone who players will instantly respect.

 

Secondly, it was reported that Wagner was Rudkin's first choice before he made the recommendation of Puel. Knowing that Puel was Rudkin's pick and that it's him that is championing Wagner instantly makes me question whether Wagner is the right choice. Rudkin should be leading the way in the summer clear-out.

 

For both of the reasons above, Benitez is the kind of manager we should be looking for.

[ARTY_FOX]

This is puels tactics not the players.

[goose2010]

1 minute ago, ARTY_FOX said:

This is puels tactics not the players.

oh come on, so its Puels fault they cant string a couple of passes together?

 

The manager is getting hammered for asking the players to actually play football? The players are as much if not more to blame for our recent form

[ARTY_FOX]

Just now, goose2010 said:

oh come on, so its Puels fault they cant string a couple of passes together?

 

The manager is getting hammered for asking the players to actually play football? The players are as much if not more to blame for our recent form

The way we're playing at the minute is down to puel. It's his style and his tactics. Do you honestly believe that the players have a chance to counter and suddenly think 'actually **** puel. I'm gonna pass it to Morgan instead of scoring' or the more than likely outcome of puel has told them he wants them to just concentrate on keeping the ball instead of going for the quick forward passes? It's not just here that exact scenario has happened for him is it? 

 

How many clubs does he need to play this way at for it not to be x amount of players downing tools? He struck gold with his first few games here when we were playing lovely fast attacking football whilst still making sure to keep possession and keeping it short. Then he continued to transition to what we have now when he should have left it alone. He's only got himself to blame. 

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

2 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

oh come on, so its Puels fault they cant string a couple of passes together?

 

The manager is getting hammered for asking the players to actually play football? The players are as much if not more to blame for our recent form

Its all about opinions yours are interesting.

 

Stats will show the amount of meaningless possession.

 

You score goals and win by scoring goals not tippy tappying the ball in defense.

 

The guy is a clown. You make best use of what we have and he can't

 

Playing an England international /our best defender in midfield when we have two on the bench and a league winning left winger as right back is baffling at best

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I've watched them a few times this season and I've never noticed them playing the high press. He's clearly done a superb job at Huddersfield but I'm not sure he is what we need here. They are the lowest scorers in the Premier League and last year somehow managed to come up despite having a negative GD and only scoring 56 goals in 46 games.

 

Whether that will change if he has a few quid to spend and he'll be more expansive I don't know but given the reaction to the football we've seen from Puel it looks a very risky choice.

....I seem to remember our first game against them they were extremely dynamic and played us at our high tempo pressing style which we struggled to cope with. The fact that he has changed his style suggest that he can be flexible and play in a way that gives them the best opportunity for points.

  I think a "press" is his go to preference and I agree that should he attempt to bring it here, would be a good thing.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

I like Wagner and think he's done a great job with Huddersfield but I question whether he'd be the right man for us...

 

Firstly, if we sack Puel then there needs to be a major clear-out on the playing side too (Morgan, Simpson, Huth, Okazaki and Fuchs all need moving on IMO) to the extent that Vardy and Schmeichel lose the power base around them as the only two survivors from when player power was accepted at LCFC. We need a manager with a big enough reputation and standing in the game to make that clear-out happen and not be undermined or questioned - someone who players will instantly respect.

 

Secondly, it was reported that Wagner was Rudkin's first choice before he made the recommendation of Puel. Knowing that Puel was Rudkin's pick and that it's him that is championing Wagner instantly makes me question whether Wagner is the right choice. Rudkin should be leading the way in the summer clear-out.

 

For both of the reasons above, Benitez is the kind of manager we should be looking for.

 

That is what is needed if we keep Puel. That is the problem. Puel hasn't had the chance to bring in replacements for these players. replacements that even we fans called for and knew should have happened LAST summer if not before.

 

Benitez isn't coming here. Why would he? Newcastle are at the same level we are and if he leaves there he'll go somewhere with European football or with a completely different set of goals.

 

13 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

This is puels tactics not the players.

That's quite funny. I guess last year it was Ranieri's tactics and in between it was Shakey's tactics.

 

The only common denominator is some of the players. When you realise that you'll see the light.

[ARTY_FOX]

3 minutes ago, FIF said:

 

That is what is needed if we keep Puel. That is the problem. Puel hasn't had the chance to bring in replacements for these players. replacements that even we fans called for and knew should have happened LAST summer if not before.

 

Benitez isn't coming here. Why would he? Newcastle are at the same level we are and if he leaves there he'll go somewhere with European football or with a completely different set of goals.

 

That's quite funny. I guess last year it was Ranieri's tactics and in between it was Shakey's tactics.

 

The only common denominator is some of the players. When you realise that you'll see the light.

Well yes it was. I sit bang on the half way line and it was clear as day the tactics had changed in his second season. I saw him with my own eyes screaming at the midfield to stay around the half way line whilst leaving mahrez and Vardy no support to try and work it round about 8 players. 

 

I'm sorry but if you didn't see Shakespeare's mistakes then there's no helping you. 

Edited 8 May 2018 by ARTY_FOX

[Webbo]

15 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

oh come on, so its Puels fault they cant string a couple of passes together?

 

The manager is getting hammered for asking the players to actually play football? The players are as much if not more to blame for our recent form

If the players are not capable of playing that way he shouldn't be asking them to. Its pure arrogance to assume you can change players just like that.

[lgfualol]

Gave Chilwell his first senior football, reckon he would help him progress at least.

[Vacamion]

5 hours ago, murphy said:

 

 

As an outsider, you will not have seen how we have become a team that in recent weeks has been soundly outplayed and dominated by Newcastle, Palace, Brighton and even Burnley for goodness sake!   

 

 

 

This last bit, in a reply to Lanceyclaret, is proper chef’s kiss

 

Bravo.  

[Koke]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

Whether that will change if he has a few quid to spend and he'll be more expansive I don't know but given the reaction to the football we've seen from Puel it looks a very risky choice.

 

If he doesn't hit the ground running and we aren't sitting 7th for most of the season he will ger the same treatment as Puel get, even if Wagner is trying to build something he will have zero patience from our fans and all you will hear from them is about his win radio in the last 18 games or something.

 

I actually hope he stays at Huddersfield or go somewhere where he will get more than 1 transfer window before he becomes a hashtag.

Edited 8 May 2018 by Koke

[Ric Flair]

I'm till baffled how Huddersfield went up with a negative goal difference? Did they take some absolute hammerings to distort the numbers? It's absurd.

[Guest MattP]

Just now, Ric Flair said:

I'm till baffled how Huddersfield went up with a negative goal difference? Did they take some absolute hammerings to distort the numbers? It's absurd.

It's an incredible abnormality, they also scored less goals than Forest who avoided relegation on goal difference

[Koke]

2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I’m not deliberately trying to get on your back.....

 

but, what are you suggesting 18pts from 19 games is fine and we shouldn’t be considering a replacement for Claude? 

 

Puel will go. Let's stop beating a dead horse. This is about his replacement, and the reality is fans like you will give Wagner 6 months before hounding him out. You will give him zero time to bin off players one by one and zero time for him to build something, you will quite bis win ratio 8 billion times as if we weren't aware of it. So bringing Wagner or Rafa is pointless, unless they work miracles with this squad.

Edited 8 May 2018 by Koke

[urban.spaceman]

50 minutes ago, The_77 said:

I can’t imagine anything other than an exorbitant fee would even get his attention. He’s got Champions League football with Atléti next season, when the final will be at his home park. 

Well we've got BRADGUT Park! Chew on that, ya Spaniards!

[Footballwipe]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm till baffled how Huddersfield went up with a negative goal difference? Did they take some absolute hammerings to distort the numbers? It's absurd.

Just had a look...

 

They won 22/25 games by just one goal and had four matches where they lost by three or more goals, including a 5-0, 4-0 and 3-0 loss.

 

Only one game in the season did they win by three clear goals!

 

So of the 22 games they won they only had a GD of +22. With 15 defeats over the season that means the GD was +7 before you count the losses and the other matches they won by more than a goal.

 

Not sure this much detail was necessary

[Matt]

41 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

oh come on, so its Puels fault they cant string a couple of passes together?

 

The manager is getting hammered for asking the players to actually play football? The players are as much if not more to blame for our recent form

Obviously not.

 

However these players must have something about them, they won the league and we all know what they can do.

 

So my question would be, we've established they can't string a couple of passes together a long time ago, so why has Puel persisted with that instead of identifying the players he currently has their strengths and playing a way that is effective, positive and successful? Getting the best out of what he's got, then in the summer get to work.

 

It seems to me Puel has refused to do that and knows one way and one way only, he has no other ideas and for those reasons i'm calling him out on being very limited and they are also the reason why I don't believe he should be given the summer.

Edited 8 May 2018 by Matt

[Raw Dykes]

9 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Puel will go. Let's stop beating a dead horse. This is about his replacement, and the reality is fans like you will give Wagner 6 months before hounding him out. You will give him zero time to bin off players one by one and zero time for him to build something, you will quite gis wib rsrio 8 billion times as if we srebt aware of it. So bringing Wagner or Rafa is pointless, unless they work miracles with this squad.

 

This is after you edited it!

[Koke]

1 minute ago, Raw Dykes said:

This is after you edited it!

 

Edited it again so I don't sound like a degenerate drunk