David Wagner

[Gerard]

4 hours ago, Albert said:

Deluded?!?! We’re a top 10 Premier league team with a fantastic infrastructure (that’s about to be improved with a new £80m training complex & stadium expansion) who has billionaire owners that are willing to spend whatever it takes to ensure the club competes in Europe.

 

 

 

How many teams in the world are definitely more desirable than us?

 

Six in England and about a dozen in Europe and the rest we're at the very least in the same playing field. Unless you have options of a really big club then Leicester is a nice option for a player or manager.

 

 

 

[Guest]

Elite manager like Blanc or Enrique or stick with Puel.

 

Wagner is just a flavour of the month.

Dyche is a twat

Wenger is dead

Pearson is the past.

[BenTheFox]

Positives:

On a limited budget he got Huddersfield promoted with basement buys that proved to be inspired bits of business. 

At Huddersfield he's built something more than the some of their parts. They were their bollocks off for him. 

He seems to want a genuine connection with the supporters. 

With the money we have at our disposal, I think he would genuinely come here.

 

Negatives:

Huddersfield have hardly been free scoring this season, but that may well be due to the players he has at his disposal. In the championship and in the early stages of this season they were trying to play more on the front foot, but they were starting to get picked apart by the better sides so he tightened them. 

 

His managerial experience is limited. 

 

 

[ian_marshall]

I like Wagner as a manager and think he's done a pretty good job at Huddersfield, although I'm not sure he'd be a good fit for us at this moment in time. 

 

Again - like Puel, he'd introduce another different style of play, one which is centred around a high press and closing the opposition down in numbers. In order to play his style of football at Huddersfield he's brought in lots of young player's all over the park with an enthusiasm to work hard and pace to burn. There's no way he could introduce his style of play without rocking the boat with the senior player's at the club. Morgan, Simpson, Fuchs, and Mahrez to name a few, simply don't fit that mould. It'd be a matter of months again before the player's throw another strop, down tools, and he gets the brunt of it from the fans because the form is horrendous. 

 

Whilst I think he probably has more resolve than Puel to stand up for himself, I think the player's would simply undermine his credentials for the job seeing as he's won very little both as a player and manager. The problem he'd face is that unlike Huddersfield where there was low expectation and player's on relatively low money/of little value which could easily be moved on if they didn't tow the line, we have the complete opposite scenario and he may simply be forced to work with player's who see him as a threat to their position in the team.

 

If we're going to turn this ship around the next appointment (assuming Puel goes) has to be one of two profiles, either a British no nonsense type - Dyche, Pearson, Big Sam, etc. who'll demand hard work and togetherness and won't put up with tantrums; or a highly experienced manager who has won the lot, has experience of working with egotistical player's, and commands respect because of their standing in the game - Rafa, Hiddink, Ancelotti, etc. 

 

Whoever we go for the number one criteria has to be a strong personality with experience of managing difficult player's. If the manager can get back some control of the dressing room, that'll be half the problem solved. 

Edited 7 May 2018 by ian_marshall

[Callabinho]

Also on a side note Wagner is cut from the same cloth as Klopp. Klopp is a massive fan of Wagner and during his time at Dortmund a lot of that “golden era” came from Wagner’s development squad. People have mentioned “big names” if you’re he’ll bent of trying to attract those type of players than you may as well hear yourself up to be let down all of the time. Wagner will have plenty of links I’d argue all the same as Klopp, so I’d imagine transfers would be as they were under Pearson, more often than not what we need.

 

And finally, Klopp initially wanted him as part of his staff at Liverpool, however once he was given the job offer at Huddersfield wanted him to take it, if this is indeed the case it should speak volumes. I like him, and if he links are true I’d be genuinely happy to see him here.

[Fox92]

Done superb at Huddersfield with promotion, let alone keeping them in the divison.

 

I worry about lack of goalscoring and style of play but I will let that pass given his resources at Huddersfield. 

 

But when I talk about our recruitment team not knowing what they're doing this is it... Rudkin apparently wanted Wagner here, fair play, at least he has a manager in mind. But if it doesn't go through and he either stays at Huddersfield or goes elsewhere then what? Do the club know who to go for instead? Does their knowledge span wider than the Premier League?

[Tielemans63]

29 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

How many teams in the world are definitely more desirable than us?

 

Six in England and about a dozen in Europe and the rest we're at the very least in the same playing field. Unless you have options of a really big club then Leicester is a nice option for a player or manager.

 

 

 

Totally agree with this. If anything I think our last few appointments haven't been ambitious enough. Money talks.

[BenTheFox]

29 minutes ago, FIF said:

Elite manager like Blanc or Enrique or stick with Puel.

 

Wagner is just a flavour of the month.

Dyche is a twat

Wenger is dead

Pearson is the past.

Well that's come as a shock. He looked in pretty good health yesterday.

[norwichfox]

Quite honestly, I'd rather Puel stay than Wagner came here, he would be hounded out before Christmas. He reputedly turned us down before, and I sincerely hope he does so again.

[Weller Wing]

I wouldn't mind him tbh.

I think the club needs someone that can motivate the squad which is terribly underachieving atm.

The fans need a wake up call as well - flat as a fart lately, and he's the sort to get the KP going again.

People forget how flat Anfield was pre Klopp - probably the best atmosphere in Britain. 

[Captain...]

I don’t know a lot about Wagner, he seems to be a good tactician, but we don’t necessarily need a tactics man, overly complex tactics seem to stifle our play. We need a motivator someone to get the players fired up go out and give it their all every game. 

 

If Wagner is also a good motivator, which is hard to judge, Huddersfield players shouldn’t need any help getting motivated this season.

[VLC86]

Fair

[foxes21]

He’s average 

[VLC86]

3 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

He’s average 

We aren’t that good.

[Spudulike]

7 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Fair

fluking the Premiership

[deep blue]

37 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

I like Wagner as a manager and think he's done a pretty good job at Huddersfield, although I'm not sure he'd be a good fit for us at this moment in time. 

 

Again - like Puel, he'd introduce another different style of play, one which is centred around a high press and closing the opposition down in numbers. In order to play his style of football at Huddersfield he's brought in lots of young player's all over the park with an enthusiasm to work hard and pace to burn. There's no way he could introduce his style of play without rocking the boat with the senior player's at the club. Morgan, Simpson, Fuchs, and Mahrez to name a few, simply don't fit that mould. It'd be a matter of months again before the player's throw another strop, down tools, and he gets the brunt of it from the fans because the form is horrendous. 

 

Whilst I think he probably has more resolve than Puel to stand up for himself, I think the player's would simply undermine his credentials for the job seeing as he's won very little both as a player and manager. The problem he'd face is that unlike Huddersfield where there was low expectation and player's on relatively low money/of little value which could easily be moved on if they didn't tow the line, we have the complete opposite scenario and he may simply be forced to work with player's who see him as a threat to their position in the team.

 

If we're going to turn this ship around the next appointment (assuming Puel goes) has to be one of two profiles, either a British no nonsense type - Dyche, Pearson, Big Sam, etc. who'll demand hard work and togetherness and won't put up with tantrums; or a highly experienced manager who has won the lot, has experience of working with egotistical player's, and commands respect because of their standing in the game - Rafa, Hiddink, Ancelotti, etc. 

 

Whoever we go for the number one criteria has to be a strong personality with experience of managing difficult player's. If the manager can get back some control of the dressing room, that'll be half the problem solved. 

 

Ian - his style of play sounds exactly what would suit us. Your quoting Morgan, Simpson, Fuchs and Mahrez as likely dissenters is not relevant as they would be the exceptions rather than the rule in that respect, and are at the end of their useful time with us anyway. We do still have speed in the squad to execute a high pressing game (and it would rejuvenate Vardy), and the summer would be an ideal opportunity to replace those on the way out and/or at the end of their careers with faster models more suited to that style.

[nettle]

25 minutes ago, norwichfox said:

Quite honestly, I'd rather Puel stay than Wagner came here, he would be hounded out before Christmas. He reputedly turned us down before, and I sincerely hope he does so again.

He's decent mate we need a fresh approach what don't you like about him?

[deep blue]

24 minutes ago, Captain... said:

I don’t know a lot about Wagner, he seems to be a good tactician, but we don’t necessarily need a tactics man, overly complex tactics seem to stifle our play. We need a motivator someone to get the players fired up go out and give it their all every game. 

 

If Wagner is also a good motivator, which is hard to judge, Huddersfield players shouldn’t need any help getting motivated this season.

But we do need a good tactician. Not to encourage an over-complicated playing style, but for match day decisions - playing to our strengths, some plan to nullify the opposition's strengths, dead ball situations, team selection and formation, substitutions and other dynamic match decisions. We appear to be deficient in all of these. 

[desertfox2]

Not convinced at all. Huddersfield could still go down and their style is pretty boring, which is the main complaint about Puel. The whole reason we have such a high turnover of managers is that we spend fortunes on players yet not on a manager. We need someone who will be given time to completely overhaul the squad style of play that is a proven manager. Benitez/Manuel Pellegrini level with a big budget. Someone that everyone trusts will get us where we want to be and playing good football. The fans/players wouldn't turn on either of those or someone proven after a run of bad results as they have pedigree. If we get someone like Wagner we will almost certainly be back in the same position a few months in if we have a poor start. 

[foxinsox]

1 hour ago, FIF said:

Elite manager like Blanc or Enrique or stick with Puel.

 

Wagner is just a flavour of the month.

Dyche is a twat

Wenger is dead

Pearson is the past.

Much as I am fond of big Nige, a third go is too much. Wenger will not manage again in the premiership, and no way is Dyche missing out on taking his Burnley team on a European tour. 

 

We could do a lot worse than Wagner, and keeping Puel is a lot worse. 

[Jattdogg]

19 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Fair

Everything is wrong with that statment other than "turned their fans into a set of deluded idiots". Lol

 

If im being honest though, i dont think we are deluded. I think when you win the league so unexpectedly it changes your mindset a bit and you think "hang on here maybe we can have somewhat bigger expectations".

 

Im sure any other team who did what we did and then went through the ups and downs since would be in the same situation as we are now.

 

NP brought us up and all that too so its not like we dont know how that works. We arent about trying to survive anymore. We want to become a regular challenger.

 

[VLC86]

Just now, Jattdogg said:

Everything is wrong with that statment other than "turned their fans into a set of deluded idiots". Lol

 

If im being honest though, i dont think we are deluded. I think when you win the league so unexpectedly it changes your mindset a bit and you think "hang on here maybe we can have somewhat bigger expectations".

 

Im sure any other team who did what we did and then went through the ups and downs since would be in the same situation as we are now.

 

NP brought us up and all that too so its not like we dont know how that works. We arent about trying to survive anymore. We want to become a regular challenger.

 

Yeah that’s the part I meant as fair. 

 

If the football was good and I could see the players knew what the plan was then I would be behind Puel but it’s obviously not the case.

[Ian Nacho]

I think we need a no nonsense manager to sort out our dressing room because it runs further than the manager. This is the third manager in about 14 months they've stopped playing for. The perfect fit for sorting that out would be MON and Roy Keane for me. 

[VLC86]

2 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

I think we need a no nonsense manager to sort out our dressing room because it runs further than the manager. This is the third manager in about 14 months they've stopped playing for. The perfect fit for sorting that out would be MON and Roy Keane for me. 

Roy Keane.

[Babylon]

5 hours ago, Albert said:

Deluded?!?! We’re a top 10 Premier league team with a fantastic infrastructure (that’s about to be improved with a new £80m training complex & stadium expansion) who has billionaire owners that are willing to spend whatever it takes to ensure the club competes in Europe.

 

 

Any idea when the "spending whatever it takes" will start, considering them putting their hand in their own pockets stopped about 4 years ago.