The "do they mean us?" thread pt 2

[when_you're_smiling]

2 minutes ago, KingsX said:

As long as Ashley owns them, NUFC will continue to think like a small club, spend like a small club. and operate like a small club, i.e. effectively BE a small club.

 

I don't think those third-rate "Saudi royal family" chancers would have changed that either.  That looked like smoke, mirrors, and not enough actual money.  Have they ever completed the Derby takeover?

Nope. Derby players haven’t been paid on time due to the hold up. Cue them selling the stadium to themselves again.

[Koke]

5 hours ago, car1os said:

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-newcastle-1-2-leicester-90-hit-rate

 

Quite astonishing success rate really. Benkovic can still come good so essentially its only Ghezzal that has been a flop since the 2016 summer window where we bought Musa & Slimani. 4 years of top notch success rate.

 

Leicester’s transfer hit rate really is remarkable. The Foxes have spent just short of £250million on players in the last three seasons and 90% of that money has been spent brilliantly. Only Filip Benkovic and Rachid Ghezzal – bought for a combined £25million – could be considered transfer mishaps. Danny Ward was necessary; the other ten were inspired

Edited 3 January 2021 by Koke

[KingsX]

11 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Nope. Derby players haven’t been paid on time due to the hold up. Cue them selling the stadium to themselves again.

 

I realize more and more, "club owner turnover" is like Russian roulette, with worse odds.  Even in the Big Money Six -- where minting cash hand over fist is guaranteed, and everything should be roses -- two of the ownership groups are too greedy or incompetent to re-invest adequately or wisely.

 

Below that level, it's more like four bullets per six chambers.  And one bad owner can indeed kill you.

 

We got so lucky it is ridiculous.

Edited 3 January 2021 by KingsX

[Koke]

Big clubs debate are childish but let me  say this, whilst we aren't a massive club we are at least now a bigger club than Derby, Middlesbrough, Sheffield United, Southampton etc. 20 years ago we were level pegging with some of those, but now we are a notch above them. 

[Guest bennytwohats]

1 hour ago, David Hankey said:

The media don't see us as a successful club. The Beeb for example have a headline that blares out "Man City cruise past Chelsea to climb to 5th" whereas we get a mention further down the page under the banner of "Leicester beat Newcastle to close in on top spot". Are we the 'Millwall' of the EP?

You don’t mention the article further above the Man City one that has a quote in the headline from Rogers saying ‘Leicester can disrupt hierarchy’, which I’d say is pretty relevant to your point.

[whetstonefox]

I remember the days when we were arguing with Plymouth Argyle fans about who had the better prospects when we got Holloway!

 

Newcastle are a big club, just massive underachievers and now run with no ambition. In the  mid 90s under Keegan they should have won something but blew it in 1996. 
 

 

[midland_red]

you cant be a big club without consistently being up there . So, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea.

What were big clubs once aren't any more - think Huddersfield Town, Burnley, Sheff Wednesday - in the days of the maximum wage.

Were not a big club o nthat basis, but absolutely neither are Newcastle

[HybridFox]

For years in the 2000s it was just the big 4 of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool

 

The big 6 name only really came about when Spurs qualified for the CL in 2010 and Man City later joining and winning the league.

 

We have a league title and a top 6 finish to our name. A bit of consistency over the next few years and we'll definitely be part of a big 7 if not 8

[trabuch]

Previously it was the big 5 - Liverpool, Arsenal, Man U, Spurs and Everton (late 70s and 80s I think).  I don't know how Spurs always seem to be able to get on these lists, despite winning the square root of eff all. Everton got a bit buggered by the Liverpool hooligan induced European ban. The whole thing is so transient, but Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U have very solid stakes. It's all a bit bollocks. The current big 6 are simply convenient for the telly. I want us to stay as outsiders in all honesty.

[Spudulike]

8 hours ago, midland_red said:

you cant be a big club without consistently being up there . So, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea.

What were big clubs once aren't any more - think Huddersfield Town, Burnley, Sheff Wednesday - in the days of the maximum wage.

Were not a big club o nthat basis, but absolutely neither are Newcastle

I'm old enough to remember Man U getting relegated. They were still a massive club even then. 

 

The definition of a big club, amongst other things, is in the mindset of the media which influences the public. 6 clubs generate the most interest in the Sky product. They get more viewers (therefore increased advertising revenue) by featuring these clubs. 

 

Yesterday they decided that Chelsea vs Man City was the main event and generates more exposure. More viewers, more money. 

 

 

Edited 4 January 2021 by Spudulike

[Jonezy]

Why do we always end in these 'who is bigger' discussions? Just enjoy the flippin ride! We all remember the 00s, and I am pretty sure most football fans are full of envy of where we are now apart from fans of a very few clubs. This is the good times, so do not ruin it getting frustrated by a little lack of exposure. 

[Dahnsouff]

Sensible Transfers: Manchester United - YouTube

 

Might not sound like it relates to us, but it certainly does.

 

Next out - Wilf?    

 

Good job its just Tifo

[davieG]

The Telegraph , Luke Edwards
Leicester City are the threat in the shadows in the Premier League title race as they manoeuvred themselves back into a position to launch an assault on the top of the table with a hard-fought win over Newcastle United.

While others operate under the spotlight and constant media glare, Brendan Rodgers’ side continue to stay in touch with the leaders without attracting anything like the same level of attention. But when they can be so devastating on the counter attack, it would be prudent to keep them in the conversation.

Nobody thought Leicester could win the league back in 2016 and look what happened. Rodgers will try to keep the pressure off his players for as long as possible, but they are definitely contenders and at the very least will be targeting Champions League qualification.

More than that, they are a model for all ambitious clubs, tied to a modest budget, to follow and, when they break at speed there are not many better sights in English football. Which is probably why they have the best away form in the top flight.

 

The Times , Martin Hardy
It was a victory for beauty against brawn. James Maddison had scored on his third successive trip to Tyneside and Youri Tielemans had appeared to conclude matters with a 72nd-minute strike. Newcastle United responded by bringing on Andy Carroll and aimed a long ball towards him. From nowhere, late in the game, the striker scored his first goal for the club in more than a decade.

It made for a frenetic finale, out of keeping with the rest of the game, but Rodgers had three central defenders on by then to deal with the aerial assault. What will have pleased him most in the final four minutes of stoppage time was the way his side were able to keep the ball.

Leicester play with style and belief and must be taken seriously in the title race, especially now that they sit only one point behind Liverpool.

Harvey Barnes was their standout player but the experience and quality of Jamie Vardy and Jonny Evans were vital once more. Two players who are seemingly ageless despite the volume of games that their 33-year-old bodies have endured.

 

The Guardian , Louise Taylor
Newcastle may not be the most exotic of January destinations but Leicester City seem to find it extraordinarily restorative. Not for the first time, Brendan Rodgers’s players departed Tyneside exuding the refreshed, optimistic sheen more usually associated with teams newly returned from midwinter breaks in the sun.

On a bitingly cold afternoon, big on windchill factor, not even Andy Carroll’s first goal in a Newcastle shirt since rejoining his boyhood club 18 months ago could strip the gloss from a victory which lifts Leicester to third in the table, one point behind Liverpool and Manchester United.

 

 

The Independent , Damian Spellman
Youri Tielemans' stunning finish ensured Leicester remain firmly in the title race after a fifth successive Premier League victory at Newcastle.

Tielemans struck 18 minutes from time to add to James Maddison's 55th-minute opener as the Foxes profited from two rare pieces of quality in an otherwise ordinary game which failed to light up a wintry Tyneside.

Even Jamie Vardy was strangely off key as he repeatedly strayed offside, although it was his astute pull-back which allowed Maddison to open the scoring.

Newcastle briefly gave themselves hope when substitute Andy Carroll scored his first goal for the club in more than 10 years as time ran down, but it proved to be too little, too late.

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-title-race-newcastle-4852021

[Spudulike]

27 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Sensible Transfers: Manchester United - YouTube

 

Might not sound like it relates to us, but it certainly does.

 

Next out - Wilf?    

 

Good job its just Tifo

He's a 'necessity' apparently. They are right about LCFC not being bullied regarding the fee and is he a big enough name to satisfy the tourist fans? 

 

Depends on his motivation but it'll go to shite for him if he goes there. 

[Goober]

We're not in the title rice in my mind. Snap your arm off for 4th right now tbh. With the league as tight as it is I wouldn't even be that disappointed with 5th and an automatic spot in the EL groups.

[Spudulike]

3 minutes ago, Goober said:

We're not in the title rice in my mind. Snap your arm off for 4th right now tbh. With the league as tight as it is I wouldn't even be that disappointed with 5th and an automatic spot in the EL groups.

I'm quite relaxed about the league (not being a club accountant) but a cup would be sensational (even without fans). Hope that we treat Saturdays match with respect. 

[Nalis]

11 hours ago, TJB-fox said:

Ground extension coming too. When that happens our attendances won’t be that dissimilar. What would they have over us then? 

Not having this that Newcastle are some massive club. They’re premier league deadweight, have been for some time and the prem wouldn’t miss them one bit if they went back down. 

Dont agree. We've lucked out with an incredible owner whereas they had the complete opposite. I'd argue they had all the ingredients for a Man City style takeover before FFP came in.

 

They're in that Everton / Villa / Leeds bracket of being a big name but shit. If you were a neutral and had to choose between having them and the likes of a non descript Brighton, Watford or Bournemouth in the premier league, the vast majority would choose to have Newcastle. 

[surrifox]

I personally find these angry rants about respect due to the club a bit cringey. It makes the club sound a bit tin pot that recognition needs to be demanded - if it was Everton or Spurs fans ( who admittedly never win anything) calling in because they were at the top of the table and not getting praised as potential title winners we would laugh at them 

[Nalis]

9 minutes ago, surrifox said:

I personally find these angry rants about respect due to the club a bit cringey. It makes the club sound a bit tin pot that recognition needs to be demanded - if it was Everton or Spurs fans ( who admittedly never win anything) calling in because they were at the top of the table and not getting praised as potential title winners we would laugh at them 

Exactly.

 

For what its worth, I think we're getting a decent level of love in the media for where we are in the league. Even if we weren't, who cares right?

[Captain...]

11 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Quite astonishing success rate really. Benkovic can still come good so essentially its only Ghezzal that has been a flop since the 2016 summer window where we bought Musa & Slimani. 4 years of top notch success rate.

 

Leicester’s transfer hit rate really is remarkable. The Foxes have spent just short of £250million on players in the last three seasons and 90% of that money has been spent brilliantly. Only Filip Benkovic and Rachid Ghezzal – bought for a combined £25million – could be considered transfer mishaps. Danny Ward was necessary; the other ten were inspired

If we are talking since summer 2016 the following would also not make my hit list:

 

Iheanacho 

Adrien Silva

Diabate 

Iborra 

Perez 

 

A couple of loans:

 

Bennett 

Dragovic

Wague

 

We have been very good in the transfer market, but still made some costly mistakes and still lack any sort of alternative to Vardy.

 

 

 

[ealingfox]

17 minutes ago, surrifox said:

I personally find these angry rants about respect due to the club a bit cringey. It makes the club sound a bit tin pot that recognition needs to be demanded - if it was Everton or Spurs fans ( who admittedly never win anything) calling in because they were at the top of the table and not getting praised as potential title winners we would laugh at them 

 

Spot on. Truly beyond me why anyone cares.

[davieG]

Too much attention is focussed on what Sky and BT are pumping out but if you look around the media including the newspapers we are getting plenty of plaudits and recognition especially taking into account how we collapsed last season after a good start.

[RoboFox]

Just now, davieG said:

Too much attention is focussed on what Sky and BT are pumping out but if you look around the media including the newspapers we are getting plenty of plaudits and recognition especially taking into account how we collapsed last season after a good start.

This.

 

We all know why Sky and BT constantly talk about the "big six," I don't know why supporters get so wound up about it. 

 

If you don't like their output, turn off.

[davieG]

1 minute ago, RoboFox said:

This.

 

We all know why Sky and BT constantly talk about the "big six," I don't know why supporters get so wound up about it. 

 

If you don't like their output, turn off.

Aye, people need to look at the newspaper quotes I've posted a few posts back as an example.

 

I think the big difference with some of the media is when clubs like LCFC are playing crap they'll say so when it's one of the Rich 6 they'll make excuses for them.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

12 minutes ago, davieG said:

Aye, people need to look at the newspaper quotes I've posted a few posts back as an example.

 

I think the big difference with some of the media is when clubs like LCFC are playing crap they'll say so when it's one of the Rich 6 they'll make excuses for them.

I disagree with this, I think the 'rich 6' get ripped into far more for poor performances, they are held to a higher standard, if we sunk to mid table it wouldn't be reported on or commented on much outside the local Leics media but compare that to a couple of losses for Lampard who is in the early stages of being hounded out....