Time for Puel to go

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, Ted Maul said:

I'm sure he'd be 100% responsible if we'd done bad business though.

I understand what you are saying and that it is unfortunately correct. I can't judge him on the transfers one way or another but i can judge him on the product on the field and that i'm afraid is bloody awful !!  I have supported this club since the early 60's so I am not unaccustomed to losing but I would like to be entertained while I am losing.

I wasn't in the Puel out faction but I need to enjoy my football and Puel is not helping with that.

[Ian Nacho]

8 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Claude Puel	25 Oct 2017 - Present	Won: 12, Drawn: 22, Lost: 7
Craig Shakespeare	23 Feb 2017 - 17 Oct 2017	Won: 11, Drawn: 6, Lost: 9

 

 

makes shakespeare look decent

22 draws! Bloody hell. 

[HankMarvin]

Hall of fame/wall of terror depending on who you look at 

 

Manager	Start Date - End Date	Record
Claude Puel	25 Oct 2017 - Present	Won: 12, Drawn: 22, Lost: 7
Craig Shakespeare	23 Feb 2017 - 17 Oct 2017	Won: 11, Drawn: 6, Lost: 9
Claudio Ranieri	13 Jul 2015 - 23 Feb 2017	Won: 34, Drawn: 25, Lost: 22
Nigel Pearson	14 Nov 2011 - 30 Jun 2015	Won: 85, Drawn: 38, Lost: 59
Mike Stowell	24 Oct 2011 - 13 Nov 2011	Won: 1, Drawn: 0, Lost: 2
Sven Goran Eriksson	03 Oct 2010 - 24 Oct 2011	Won: 24, Drawn: 14, Lost: 17
Chris Powell	01 Oct 2010 - 03 Oct 2010	Won: 1, Drawn: 0, Lost: 0
Paulo Sousa	07 Jul 2010 - 30 Sep 2010	Won: 4, Drawn: 2, Lost: 6
Nigel Pearson	20 Jun 2008 - 29 Jun 2010	Won: 55, Drawn: 30, Lost: 22
Ian Holloway	22 Nov 2007 - 23 May 2008	Won: 9, Drawn: 8, Lost: 15
Gerry Taggart	25 Oct 2007 - 22 Nov 2007	Won: 1, Drawn: 2, Lost: 2
Gary Megson	13 Sep 2007 - 24 Oct 2007	Won: 3, Drawn: 4, Lost: 2
Frank Burrows	01 Aug 2007 - 22 Nov 2007	Unknown
Martin Allen	25 May 2007 - 29 Aug 2007	Won: 2, Drawn: 1, Lost: 1
Nigel Worthington	11 Apr 2007 - 25 May 2007	Won: 2, Drawn: 0, Lost: 3
Rob Kelly	25 Jan 2006 - 11 Apr 2007	Won: 21, Drawn: 19, Lost: 23
Craig Levein	01 Nov 2004 - 25 Jan 2006	Won: 20, Drawn: 26, Lost: 26
Dave Bassett	11 Oct 2004 - 31 Oct 2004	Won: 0, Drawn: 4, Lost: 0
Micky Adams	07 Apr 2002 - 11 Oct 2004	Won: 41, Drawn: 37, Lost: 32
Dave Bassett	10 Oct 2001 - 06 Apr 2002	Won: 4, Drawn: 8, Lost: 16
Garry Parker	30 Sep 2001 - 10 Oct 2001	Won: 0, Drawn: 0, Lost: 1
Peter Taylor	12 Jun 2000 - 30 Sep 2001	Won: 19, Drawn: 9, Lost: 26
Martin O'Neill	21 Dec 1995 - 01 Jun 2000	Won: 85, Drawn: 68, Lost: 70
Mark McGhee	14 Dec 1994 - 07 Dec 1995	Won: 16, Drawn: 14, Lost: 21
Kevin MacDonald	22 Nov 1994 - 14 Dec 1994	Won: 1, Drawn: 1, Lost: 2
Brian Little	30 May 1991 - 22 Nov 1994	Won: 76, Drawn: 43, Lost: 59

[Tom12345]

3 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

22 draws! Bloody hell. 

2 DMs one of whom is Ndidi - that’s what you get

[Ian Nacho]

I don't think we're a bad side under Puel, I just think we're very very average and no matter what we do, ie money we spend, we're still average. 

[lcfc sheff]

if Puel is in fact sacked, I think whoever will replace him will be a biggish name; someone similar to Ranieri in terms of fame and managerial pedigree.

 

Jardim? Wenger? (in my dreams) 

 

whatever the outcome we need some investment in the attacking players.

[Dan LCFC]

Time to go for me. If I can be arsed I'll churn out a long post on everything why but this is quite a good read...

 

http://leagueoneminus10.blogspot.com/2017/05/claude-puel-should-he-stay-or-should-he.html

 

From a Southampton fan. Some frightening similarities to his time here.

 

It isn't going to come good. We're regressing if anything.

[jim5000]

12 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Time to go for me. If I can be arsed I'll churn out a long post on everything why but this is quite a good read...

 

http://leagueoneminus10.blogspot.com/2017/05/claude-puel-should-he-stay-or-should-he.html

 

From a Southampton fan. Some frightening similarities to his time here. 

 

It isn't going to come good. We're regressing if anything.

 

That's mad, that's an almost perfect description of what Puel is doing here now

[North Leeds Fox]

It's weird as I have always stuck up for puel and think he would be the long term strategy for our club. However, it seems to be apparent that puel is not good enough to provide what we need, only on the proviso we get a jardim etc. i don't care if we lose, but my club loses in such a weak fashion, even in victory we are poor. I think we need a change soon 

[Larry_LCFC]

I really do not for the life of me understand why people continue to defend Puel! What have you seen that makes you think we are going to achieve anything under his management? What do you think is suddenly going to click?

 

I see a squad with some quality players in it that are bereft of confidence, ideas and discipline. We look confused.

Can anybody hand on heart say they enjoy watching us play football under Puel? From where I am sitting, the life has been sucked out of us and it's gutting to watch. 

 

We aren't unlucky to be losing games but we are losing them because we deserve to. Not playing a striker at home, persisting with a system that fails week in week out. All mistakes that Puel has made no effort to learn from.

 

Let me finish with one question to the "Puel in" brigade.

If you could have seen ahead to now when Puel was appointed, would you have taken him? I bet the answer is no and that says it all.

[ealingfox]

36 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Hall of fame/wall of terror depending on who you look at 

 

Manager	Start Date - End Date	Record
Claude Puel	25 Oct 2017 - Present	Won: 12, Drawn: 22, Lost: 7
Craig Shakespeare	23 Feb 2017 - 17 Oct 2017	Won: 11, Drawn: 6, Lost: 9
Claudio Ranieri	13 Jul 2015 - 23 Feb 2017	Won: 34, Drawn: 25, Lost: 22
Nigel Pearson	14 Nov 2011 - 30 Jun 2015	Won: 85, Drawn: 38, Lost: 59
Mike Stowell	24 Oct 2011 - 13 Nov 2011	Won: 1, Drawn: 0, Lost: 2
Sven Goran Eriksson	03 Oct 2010 - 24 Oct 2011	Won: 24, Drawn: 14, Lost: 17
Chris Powell	01 Oct 2010 - 03 Oct 2010	Won: 1, Drawn: 0, Lost: 0
Paulo Sousa	07 Jul 2010 - 30 Sep 2010	Won: 4, Drawn: 2, Lost: 6
Nigel Pearson	20 Jun 2008 - 29 Jun 2010	Won: 55, Drawn: 30, Lost: 22
Ian Holloway	22 Nov 2007 - 23 May 2008	Won: 9, Drawn: 8, Lost: 15
Gerry Taggart	25 Oct 2007 - 22 Nov 2007	Won: 1, Drawn: 2, Lost: 2
Gary Megson	13 Sep 2007 - 24 Oct 2007	Won: 3, Drawn: 4, Lost: 2
Frank Burrows	01 Aug 2007 - 22 Nov 2007	Unknown
Martin Allen	25 May 2007 - 29 Aug 2007	Won: 2, Drawn: 1, Lost: 1
Nigel Worthington	11 Apr 2007 - 25 May 2007	Won: 2, Drawn: 0, Lost: 3
Rob Kelly	25 Jan 2006 - 11 Apr 2007	Won: 21, Drawn: 19, Lost: 23
Craig Levein	01 Nov 2004 - 25 Jan 2006	Won: 20, Drawn: 26, Lost: 26
Dave Bassett	11 Oct 2004 - 31 Oct 2004	Won: 0, Drawn: 4, Lost: 0
Micky Adams	07 Apr 2002 - 11 Oct 2004	Won: 41, Drawn: 37, Lost: 32
Dave Bassett	10 Oct 2001 - 06 Apr 2002	Won: 4, Drawn: 8, Lost: 16
Garry Parker	30 Sep 2001 - 10 Oct 2001	Won: 0, Drawn: 0, Lost: 1
Peter Taylor	12 Jun 2000 - 30 Sep 2001	Won: 19, Drawn: 9, Lost: 26
Martin O'Neill	21 Dec 1995 - 01 Jun 2000	Won: 85, Drawn: 68, Lost: 70
Mark McGhee	14 Dec 1994 - 07 Dec 1995	Won: 16, Drawn: 14, Lost: 21
Kevin MacDonald	22 Nov 1994 - 14 Dec 1994	Won: 1, Drawn: 1, Lost: 2
Brian Little	30 May 1991 - 22 Nov 1994	Won: 76, Drawn: 43, Lost: 59

Don't get this - we've lost more than 7 games under Puel surely? What's the timeframe?

[Dan LCFC]

8 hours ago, Charl91 said:

Position in the table is alright. Results are poor. Performances are diabolical.

 

I used to be smiling or annoyed all weekend, depending on whether Leicester won or lost. Now I'm just indifferent at either result. That's the Puel effect. 

 

Puel out. I want to love football again.

I feel like this as well. I used to live for aways and yet I was there earlier genuinely not that bothered if we equalised or not. I felt like if we did we'd have just been papering over the cracks but I think once you get that kind of feeling something's got to change.

 

I can't tell if this apathy is the Puel effect or post title hangover. Inclined to say a bit of both.

 

But he's got to go for me now. We're so bland it's unreal, we're just another Brighton and how pathetic is that?

[Dan LCFC]

8 hours ago, smr said:

it's clear to me that if it was totally up to him he'd want us to pass it around on the floor and basically play like man city, i have no doubt about that from what i've heard from him. But the problem is we don't have the players who can play like that, some of the passing accuracy is abysmal, so it'll never work, unless we ship out most of the players and buy ones who can pass it to feet quickly, whilst attacking at the same time.

 

we just dont have the quality to do that, and i think we're now stuck in no man's land because he's trained the players to be this way, and trained it out of them what they are good at, the net result being that we look clumsy and awkward to watch. the players look confused, the system is confused. 

If he needs players of that level to be able to succeed then I'm struggling to see what he actually brings to the table. The fundamental problem with him, as has been from day one, is that he doesn't get the most from his resources. Therefore for me he can go.

[HankMarvin]

5 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Don't get this - we've lost more than 7 games under Puel surely? What's the timeframe?

was from here https://www.thesackrace.com/teams/leicester-city,

 

but yes 7 league games just this season

 

11 defeats last season

7 draws

10 wins#

 

so record is actually

16W 11D 18L

 

 

[lcfc sheff]

It’s weird in terms of our league position, feels as though we’re in a lower league whilst the top 6 compete alone. 

 

Its frustrating as clearly some sort of challenge to the top 6 is possible with the right signings, fingers crossed it happens in January. 

Edited 16 December 2018 by lcfc sheff

[ealingfox]

8 hours ago, Frank large said:

Season ticket holder,I’ve stopped going to the games ,because it bores me shitless. Puel football is the same as his monotone drawl , i feel for the players,it’s must be like listening to the lonely bloke in the pub

I mean, I am the lonely bloke in the pub and even I think it's boring. Ludicrous style of play. 

[Kopfkino]

I genuinely have no idea what he's done to be defended and to still be in a job.

It's not even that we've regressed since he came it, we get worse pretty much every week. It's a steady decline with the occasional blip of an average performance. The football is boring, the team selections erratic and there barely looks to be a plan, does anybody have any idea what the plan was first half today?I

 

I can't think of anything remotely exciting or positively memorable about the last twelve months on the pitch. It started well, we played some good stuff when he first arrived but this is really shit. Some might say that's what being a mid table PL side is but it doesn't stop us having a go at sides, trying to play a bit of quick, expansive football every so often. Right now I know before every game that if it's against a decent side we'll just roll over and make it comfortable for them, against sides around us we'll let them seize the initiative, and against shit sides we'll pass it around a bit and make hard work of everything. Whoever we play, it's almost guaranteed I'll be absolutely bored to death after 25 minutes and will likely have enjoyed some aspect of the opponent's play far more than ours.

 

Just get him gone, he's already sucked all life and energy out of us, he doesn't need time to make it even worse. I'm pretty sure him sucking all of the vigour out of Southampton is part of the reason they're now struggling.

[HankMarvin]

26 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

I genuinely have no idea what he's done to be defended and to still be in a job.

It's not even that we've regressed since he came it, we get worse pretty much every week. It's a steady decline with the occasional blip of an average performance. The football is boring, the team selections erratic and there barely looks to be a plan, does anybody have any idea what the plan was first half today?I

 

I can't think of anything remotely exciting or positively memorable about the last twelve months on the pitch. It started well, we played some good stuff when he first arrived but this is really shit. Some might say that's what being a mid table PL side is but it doesn't stop us having a go at sides, trying to play a bit of quick, expansive football every so often. Right now I know before every game that if it's against a decent side we'll just roll over and make it comfortable for them, against sides around us we'll let them seize the initiative, and against shit sides we'll pass it around a bit and make hard work of everything. Whoever we play, it's almost guaranteed I'll be absolutely bored to death after 25 minutes and will likely have enjoyed some aspect of the opponent's play far more than ours.

 

Just get him gone, he's already sucked all life and energy out of us, he doesn't need time to make it even worse. I'm pretty sure him sucking all of the vigour out of Southampton is part of the reason they're now struggling.

He was lucky to survive last years shit finish

at nearly the half way point of the season we haven’t really got much better

chelsea and man city up next suggests 2 more defeats 

[mozartfox]

Just a thought, do people think that any change of manager should be extended to the entire coaching, scouting, recruitment and academy staffs? 

 

Or will binning Puel be the panecea of everything? 

 

We look stale throughout from where I am sitting and certainly replacing the GK coach with a new specialist defensive coach would not go a miss for starters. 

 

Perhaps a gradual root and branch review of ALL football operations needs to be done (except for the Physio Team and Groundsmen) ?

[UpTheLeagueFox]

6 hours ago, inckley fox said:

I read John Percy's comments today - that we're 'on a road to nowhere with Puel' and you can see where he's coming from. The lack of purpose, drive and positivity is very worrying.

John Percy is well connected around the dressing room. He's doesn't usually go out on a limb with the sort of tweet we saw yesterday. Players and those around the playing side brief journalists and they always have. I and others have alluded to things for some time but those who choose to be blind will never see.

 

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Puels signings are: Diabate, Ricardo, Maddison, Evans, Ward, Ghezzal, Soyuncu, Benkovic

There are many things to criticise him for but transfer policy isn't one 

Eight signings and still an unbalanced looking squad. He's had two windows.

 

1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

He's already sucked all life and energy out of us.

He's doing it with the fans and, more significantly, with the players. He doesn't look close to addressing either quickly. Which is a real shame. He may have a vision which is to be applauded but that vision needs to be applied a whole lot better.

 

52 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

He was lucky to survive last years shit finish

My thoughts entirely. Credit the owners for trying to get stability by sticking with someone but I doubt they realised the disconnect between the players and the fans would be as strong as it's become.

 

We're four points worse off than this time last year (with Chelsea, Man City and Everton to come in the next four games) and should Brighton win later we'll be five places worse off than this time last year.

 

Is the qualiteeee of football giving us hope for optimism. Sadly not. Not in the slightest. 

[TheLittleBigMan]

if he's going to go can we at least stop hating on him. He has tried. The last managers failed miserably trying to play a different way. Just saying. 

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, TheLittleBigMan said:

if he's going to go can we at least stop hating on him. He has tried. The last managers failed miserably trying to play a different way. Just saying. 

[harpendenfox]

A significant part of management, in any field of work, is having the ability to inspire your workforce.

 

Yes you need a strategy too, and I think Claude has a strategy, but from what we see, and what one or two informed posters have suggested, he is failing to inspire anyone.

 

After a long period of prevarication that’s why I am now very clear we need an immediate change. Things will get no better under Claude. We will regress further.

[Footballwipe]

3 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

 

He's doing it with the fans and, more significantly, with the players. He doesn't look close to addressing either quickly. Which is a real shame. He may have a vision which is to be applauded but that vision needs to be applied a whole lot better.

This is a key point, selfishly. First of all. I've not heard an away end so apathetic, so quiet, so accepting of the horror show yesterday. There was barely any mass-vocal moaning, I found, it was just "meh" and that's dangerous. (I admit the weather and cold might not have helped that situation)

 

But personally I'm starting to resent watching us. I'm resenting the travelling to away games, the walk to home games, even. It's feeling a monumental waste of time, but other things are more interesting in my life. The last thing I ever wanted to do was resent and actively not want to go and watch us play. Unfortunately that's how it's gone. The football is stale, predictable, boring. The patterns in games are predictable. It's all so depressing.

 

I wanted Puel gone after West Ham last season, the week after the 0-5 to Palace. Then he saved himself in my book with the win at Arsenal, showing what we're capable of. Yesterday was the final straw for me. Change needed, at least at the end of the season if the ownership want to keep him for "stability."

 

We're going nowhere under him. Nowhere.

[Matt]

6 hours ago, TeamRocket said:

Whats the point of having all the extra stuff like new training ground, stadium expansion if we just wanna hang around bottom to mid table. So he needs to go for me anyways

If we're gonna keep him we may aswell suspend plans of the expansion.