Man City 1-1 (1-3 on penalties) post match bickering

[volpeazzurro]

On 19/12/2018 at 12:13, The Doctor said:

Well no. Presumably you're saying Ederson, Mendy, Laporte, Fernandinho, David Silva, Sterling, Bernardo Silva. But they played Stones, Aguero, De Bruyne, Walker, Mahrez, Otamendi. Pep doesn't have a first team, he has a squad of 20 or so players who compete with each other. The only ones in their line up last night not in that 20-odd are the keeper, zinchenko, Foden, Garcia and Diaz, and with Foden that's only just the case. It wasn't full strength but it was hardly the ressies like people are claiming

I think Guadiola would struggle to pick a weakened side if he wanted to. Unlike us he's got talent in abundance and is a firm believer in squad rotation whether all players are fit or not. Arguably, as daft as it sounds,  you could possibly even say his inclusion of two world class players in Debruyne and Agueiro could be construed as part of a weakened side as they were coming back from injury and short of match fitness, frightening eh! ?

 

There are so many on here whining about who they'd have started with last night, yet there are many different teams suggested by people so not everyone can be right. Some would favour the finishing 11 to the starting 11 but, did any of those actually consider that tactics are for a game over 90 minutes and it's not always about starting with your strongest team sometimes? Were any of those that were brought on later carrying minor knocks or, were there players that, having studied there fitness and  biological stats that backroom teams monitor vigourosly now days, results showed that they should only play part of the game? It's dead easy to criticise on here without the full facts. Personally, although we were quite poor in the first half, over 90 minutes I think Puel got it right. We were playing agsinst far superior players. Poor poor spot kicks lost us that game in the end.

Edited 20 December 2018 by volpeazzurro

[The Doctor]

14 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

C'mon, clearly I was kidding?

With how many have genuinely argued that, I just assume everyone's off their rocker until proven otherwise. Speeds things up 

[reynard]

5 hours ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

 

 

You say this.  But is it true?  We are showing consistent mid table finishes under Puel, but you're not happy.  I dont believe the players dont look fired up btw, not seeing that myself

 

 

Perhaps a slight exaggeration? We've only had him for one season so far and it is too ealry to say where we will finish this season. I'd wait until we've seen out Janaury to say where we may finish.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, reynard said:

Perhaps a slight exaggeration? We've only had him for one season so far and it is too ealry to say where we will finish this season. I'd wait until we've seen out Janaury to say where we may finish.

Not really.  Is it exaggeration in contrast to people saying he is going to get us relegated?

 

Our first season with him we were mid table, and we were near the bottom 3 when he came on board

This is our second season with him and we're still mid table so far.  Yes, it will be more clear how we'll finish come January, but include Southampton and Puel has been mid table for all his 2.5 seasons in the prem.

 

I was responding to the poster who said if we were mid table he'd be happy.  We are very much mid table and happy he is not

[reynard]

2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Not really.  Is it exaggeration in contrast to people saying he is going to get us relegated?

 

Our first season with him we were mid table, and we were near the bottom 3 when he came on board

This is our second season with him and we're still mid table so far.  Yes, it will be more clear how we'll finish come January, but include Southampton and Puel has been mid table for all his 2.5 seasons in the prem.

 

I was responding to the poster who said if we were mid table he'd be happy.  We are very much mid table and happy he is not

Our position looks ok for now but the effects of the crash are hard to judge. Football is very much a confidence game and a bad run of results could see us easily dragged down into the bottom 6 clubs and then there is all to play for.

Hard to see much joy from the next 2 making the Cardiff and Southampton games at home vital.We've got Wolves, Everton and Liverpool away as well before the end of Jan and personally I think we will be lucky to get anything from those as well. Potential return of 10 points from 11 matches in December and January. That would be 28 points from 24 games with Man utd and Spurs the next two.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, reynard said:

Our position looks ok for now but the effects of the crash are hard to judge. Football is very much a confidence game and a bad run of results could see us easily dragged down into the bottom 6 clubs and then there is all to play for.

Hard to see much joy from the next 2 making the Cardiff and Southampton games at home vital.We've got Wolves, Everton and Liverpool away as well before the end of Jan and personally I think we will be lucky to get anything from those as well. Potential return of 10 points from 11 matches in December and January. That would be 28 points from 24 games with Man utd and Spurs the next two.

You're right its a tough run and things might not look so rosy, but we'll see how the next month plays out

 

Home games against Cardiff and Southampton are crucial as you say.  We need to do the triple over Wolves  and I fancy us to give Everton a game

 

And lets see what the January transfer window brings.  I wouldnt be surprised if someone comes in

[Dr The Singh]

After reflecting on yesterdays performance, I agree with alot of the pundits etc, we should have taken the competition more seriously and played our best 11, what a mistake!

[OhYesNdidi]

5 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

After reflecting on yesterdays performance, I agree with alot of the pundits etc, we should have taken the competition more seriously and played our best 11, what a mistake!

What they fail to realise, due to Man City’s financial doping, their 3rd team is still about as good our first team. 

Edited 19 December 2018 by OhYesNdidi

[Devonfox1884]

Oh well, I’d rather win the FA cup anyway.

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, OhYesNdidi said:

What they fail to realise, due to Man City’s financial doping, their 3rd team is still about as good our first team. 

I didn't see that yesterday, the second half was very even, some may say we were better.  Having seen the Mancs team perform yesterday, I think they were there for the taking.

[OhYesNdidi]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I didn't see that yesterday, the second half was very even, some may say we were better.  Having seen the Mancs team perform yesterday, I think they were there for the taking.

We didn’t create anything clear cut imo and Man City missed 2 or 3 clear cut chances. We did put them under pressure though. 

 

Its just ridiclous when I see comments like ‘if we’d have played our best team we’d be play burton or we’d have won’ etc just completely deluded about the quality of our team. Man City had 2 or 3 gears they could have gone up if needed imo. 

Edited 19 December 2018 by OhYesNdidi

[cityfanlee23]

2 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

Face facts Doc, if we'd played [insert names of players who have been on fire this season] we'd have had 'em.

I'll start the list, erm...... you know..... thingy..... 

[cityfanlee23]

15 hours ago, Stadt said:

We'd have won in normal time if we'd put a better side out

I respect the logic but there is no evidence of that. The "better players" such as Vardy have been utterly dreadful at times this season. I can't see any evidence that these so called better players would have made a difference if we started with them, based on the fact we have started most of them all season and they've done pretty much nothing. 

[The Guvnor]

26 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

We didn’t create anything clear cut imo and Man City missed 2 or 3 clear cut chances. We did put them under pressure though. 

 

Its just ridiclous when I see comments like ‘if we’d have played our best team we’d be play burton or we’d have won’ etc just completely deluded about the quality of our team. Man City had 2 or 3 gears they could have gone up if needed imo. 

What do you mean if needed? didn't the match finish 1-1 which was decided by penalties.

[dyanmark]

We can discuss this over many pages but it was 1-1 and the-our penalties and decision making was nothing short of diabolical.

[Foxxed]

18 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I personally thought the much maligned Danny Simpson has his usual steady game. He ain’t a wing back. He’s a full back. And remains imo, our best right sided full back,

I was impressed too. Made no mistakes  In a game where you want to contain them, he was the best choice. I could imagine Ricardo legging up the pitch and Man City punishing us. 

[NewEnglandFox]

39 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I didn't see that yesterday, the second half was very even, some may say we were better.  Having seen the Mancs team perform yesterday, I think they were there for the taking.

I think it's always overestimated how well we're playing when we're chasing the game. We're committing more forward to get even. It's always an uphill battle because we need to score a goal. It's hard to say we had the same intensité at 0-0 and 1-1 as 0-1. The game changes with the score.

[fuchsntf]

53 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I didn't see that yesterday, the second half was very even, some may say we were better.  Having seen the Mancs team perform yesterday, I think they were there for the taking.

Ahhah...you only think they were for the taking...!!

[oxtonfox]

8 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

So it's more believable because your mate is a Man City fan??????

Sorry but it isn't.

It's an opinion based on absolutely nothing.

hackney- yes it’s an opinion; which is what the forum is about. You don’t hold the monopoly on truth do you.?

[Great Boos Up]

Still can't get my round we did exactly the same last season.

We could have beat Bristol City and all gone to Wembley in a nothing season and had a great boo's up and a sing song. All hail Puel!

Unless the thinking was "I know! lets do exactly the same. It's the last thing they'll expect."

[oxtonfox]

2 minutes ago, Great Boos Up said:

Still can't get my round we did exactly the same last season.

We could have beat Bristol City and all gone to Wembley in a nothing season and had a great boo's up and a sing song. All hail Puel!

Unless the thinking was "I know! lets do exactly the same. It's the last thing they'll expect."

Yes why don’t we try the same plan as last season leaving our better players on the bench, against the same side playing the same way; BUT this time we will get a different result! 

 

No; it’s the first sign of managerial madness Claude.

[Wymsey]

Could've been playing Burton Albion at home next.

[Costock_Fox]

Definitely wouldn’t have been playing Burton in a semi final... 

[Corky]

We'd be exactly the team to beat Man City then lose to Burton.

[KrefelderFox666]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

Definitely wouldn’t have been playing Burton in a semi final... 

Exactly my thought. The big teams would have been split up, by pure luck