roblcfc84 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 I think this is the first thread I've started and totally understand I couldn't have picked a more inflammatory one. Also the below doesn't ditract from the amount of respect and admiration I have for him as a player. Clearly a club legend and one of the all time greats. For me the biggest question the club needs to answer is what to do with Jamie Vardy. Queue abuse lol! JV is not a great technician. He's excellent at pressing, running the channels and finishing given the opportunity. However, his close control and ability to keep the ball in close quarters is lacking...it's not his game. Although he's decent in the air, he's never going to win headers against most PL centre backs. A key reason why we have struggled against opposition in the lower half is that they sit back, prevent any space from being created and therefore JV has no where to go. Watching yesterday it was clear that with all our possession and balls into the box, there was no presence up front to compliment that style. Against the bigger clubs, there's more space for him to exploit. I observed this so many times when he played for England, he couldn't get into games where teams sat deep. When we won the league, obviously, teams underestimated us and left space in behind. We also had the likes of Kante or Mahrez who could break and feed him or Danny D to play a long pass. With a more possession based game, where teams lower down the league will sit back, he just isn't as effective. I think we have players who are technical and can get on the ball in tight spaces, granted we need to move it quicker, we also have one of the best crossers in the PL. Neither of which really suit JV. I think with JV you need to go all in and play to his strengths which isn't sustainable for us Long term. He's clearly still got a lot to offer but we need an alternative. Watching yesterday, whilst there were problems in other areas, our lack of any presence up front significantly contributed to our inability to score.
Countryfox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 1 minute ago, roblcfc84 said: I think this is the first thread I've started and totally understand I couldn't have picked a more inflammatory one. Also the below doesn't ditract from the amount of respect and admiration I have for him as a player. Clearly a club legend and one of the all time greats. For me the biggest question the club needs to answer is what to do with Jamie Vardy. Queue abuse lol! JV is not a great technician. He's excellent at pressing, running the channels and finishing given the opportunity. However, his close control and ability to keep the ball in close quarters is lacking...it's not his game. Although he's decent in the air, he's never going to win headers against most PL centre backs. A key reason why we have struggled against opposition in the lower half is that they sit back, prevent any space from being created and therefore JV has no where to go. Watching yesterday it was clear that with all our possession and balls into the box, there was no presence up front to compliment that style. Against the bigger clubs, there's more space for him to exploit. I observed this so many times when he played for England, he couldn't get into games where teams sat deep. When we won the league, obviously, teams underestimated us and left space in behind. We also had the likes of Kante or Mahrez who could break and feed him or Danny D to play a long pass. With a more possession based game, where teams lower down the league will sit back, he just isn't as effective. I think we have players who are technical and can get on the ball in tight spaces, granted we need to move it quicker, we also have one of the best crossers in the PL. Neither of which really suit JV. I think with JV you need to go all in and play to his strengths which isn't sustainable for us Long term. He's clearly still got a lot to offer but we need an alternative. Watching yesterday, whilst there were problems in other areas, our lack of any presence up front significantly contributed to our inability to score. The seven words of the thread title followed by the last four words of your post ...
UniFox21 Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 Is the inability to score and to reinvigorate the fan base to chant and support for 90 minutes straight.
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 Our delusions of grandeur. Were little old Leicester FC. We should know our place!!?
cropstonfox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 Do not dream of 7th or above.You ask Claude.
foxfanazer Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 'JV is not a great technician'. Ah if only I could be arsed to post videos of some of the goals he's scored for us. Ridiculous statement
Farrington fox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 To state the obvious, some players need to cut out individual mistakes. Saints 1st goal yesterday was just a comedy of errors. The 2nd was nearly as bad.
Ric Flair Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 28 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said: I think this is the first thread I've started and totally understand I couldn't have picked a more inflammatory one. Also the below doesn't ditract from the amount of respect and admiration I have for him as a player. Clearly a club legend and one of the all time greats. For me the biggest question the club needs to answer is what to do with Jamie Vardy. Queue abuse lol! JV is not a great technician. He's excellent at pressing, running the channels and finishing given the opportunity. However, his close control and ability to keep the ball in close quarters is lacking...it's not his game. Although he's decent in the air, he's never going to win headers against most PL centre backs. A key reason why we have struggled against opposition in the lower half is that they sit back, prevent any space from being created and therefore JV has no where to go. Watching yesterday it was clear that with all our possession and balls into the box, there was no presence up front to compliment that style. Against the bigger clubs, there's more space for him to exploit. I observed this so many times when he played for England, he couldn't get into games where teams sat deep. When we won the league, obviously, teams underestimated us and left space in behind. We also had the likes of Kante or Mahrez who could break and feed him or Danny D to play a long pass. With a more possession based game, where teams lower down the league will sit back, he just isn't as effective. I think we have players who are technical and can get on the ball in tight spaces, granted we need to move it quicker, we also have one of the best crossers in the PL. Neither of which really suit JV. I think with JV you need to go all in and play to his strengths which isn't sustainable for us Long term. He's clearly still got a lot to offer but we need an alternative. Watching yesterday, whilst there were problems in other areas, our lack of any presence up front significantly contributed to our inability to score. You might have a point but I honestly dont think theres many strikers in the game that would make much difference. You could argue a 6 foot 3 beast in the air might get on the end of a few crosses but our crosses are always as a result of the ball being worked out wide as we dither with it and the opposition have been allowed to set their position with banks of four ready to clear. What we need is a manager who kicks seven bells of shit out of his team if they keep being as negative on the ball, oh and pick a team that gets more bodies in the danger zones and a creative midfielder.
StanSP Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 22 minutes ago, Claridge said: Keep clean sheets Really? We've had 6th highest amount of clean sheets in the league - Chelsea, Man City, Tottenham, Palace, Liverpool only have more. 7 in total. The problem really is furthest away from defence/goal-keeper - we don't score enough becaue we can't penetrate teams that like to 'park the bus'.
Countryfox Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 7 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said: Better quality tissue in the traps Go before you get to the ground Mike .. sorted !
davieG Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 If we could do pass the ball through the centre of defence splitting it for the likes of a Vardy and Nacho to run onto rather than passing it out to the wings or worst still giving it away then it would suit his game fine. The number of times I’ve seen both these players crying out for a defence splitting ball only to see it go wide and when we do manage to spot their runs we’re to slow and they’re caught offside. Our biggest issue though is our terrible pass completion, witness our 1st half yesterday our completely useless corners and our pathetic throw ins. We need to get these basics right above all else.
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 3 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Go before you get to the ground Mike .. sorted ! Only used them once CF Still traumatised
murphy Posted 13 January 2019 Posted 13 January 2019 2 hours ago, davieG said: If we could do pass the ball through the centre of defence splitting it for the likes of a Vardy and Nacho to run onto rather than passing it out to the wings or worst still giving it away then it would suit his game fine. The number of times I’ve seen both these players crying out for a defence splitting ball only to see it go wide and when we do manage to spot their runs we’re to slow and they’re caught offside. Our biggest issue though is our terrible pass completion, witness our 1st half yesterday our completely useless corners and our pathetic throw ins. We need to get these basics right above all else. This. We are too pedestrian in attack and too slow. We need to get the ball up the pitch more quickly. By the time we have huffed and puffed out way to the final third the defence is set and comfortable. There is no space to get in behind. JV is not the problem and I have to disagree with the OP's statement that he is not good technically. He became a player almost overnight in 2015, like he had a Robert Johnson crossroads moment or something. Most teams would give their eye teeth (whatever they are) to have Jamie Vardy.
nnfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 I tend to agree with the OP, although Vardy does possess technical ability and deserves more credit. The elephant in the room has been Jamie Vardy for a couple of years now. We played a style that suited him down to the ground and benefitted massively from it, but there has always been an issue around succession planning. If we change our style of play, or JV's pace starts to decline then we would have a problem... Just like we do now,. It should have been addressed at least 12 months ago but Vardy is one of those players who are almost guaranteed to start, so getting a striker in to take his place whilst he is still at the club is a problem and I can see it being a problem next season too. The problem might be bigger than just finding a suitable replacement, maybe it's football in general, but there seems to be less top quality strikers around now than before. Either that or the skill and tactics of defenders have improved to limit the chances for the strikers. It is a real problem for clubs outside the top 6. Just a quick look at the stats shows that all of the top 6 have at least two players on 9 or more goals so far this season, in fact there are 18 players in all in those top 6 that have reached that number. In the rest of the league, amongst those 14 other teams, there are just 3 players to get 9 or more. Callum Wilson is top with 10.
Dahnsouff Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 7 hours ago, davieG said: If we could do pass the ball through the centre of defence splitting it for the likes of a Vardy and Nacho to run onto rather than passing it out to the wings or worst still giving it away then it would suit his game fine. The number of times I’ve seen both these players crying out for a defence splitting ball only to see it go wide and when we do manage to spot their runs we’re to slow and they’re caught offside. Our biggest issue though is our terrible pass completion, witness our 1st half yesterday our completely useless corners and our pathetic throw ins. We need to get these basics right above all else. I agree with this, people often seem to ignore the fact that counter attacking is a fairly low technically demanding approach but is great AS LONG as you one guy who can pick “the pass” (he left), and teams aren’t compact and/or sit deep (which they do if we are home and opposition isn’t top 5/6) So the technical requirements to change our play, exacerbated by the impending Vardy phase out, is substantial and take time and personnel changes. Still hoping, still patient.
roblcfc84 Posted 14 January 2019 Author Posted 14 January 2019 8 hours ago, foxfanazer said: 'JV is not a great technician'. Ah if only I could be arsed to post videos of some of the goals he's scored for us. Ridiculous statement This suggests to me your looking at his goals and nothing else. He's a great finisher, I've said that. But most of his goals are scored using power, head down using the laces. I think back to that chance against Burnley and it was exactly the same, whereas a cooler head may have placed the ball. My point is that he doesn't have the technical ability to really effect build up play in the same way other players might. This isn't a criticism, my point is that against teams who are now coming to sit deep and let us have the ball, he's ineffective. For those posting, we need goals. This is the point I'm trying to address. The post was a tactical observation nothing more.
Guest ttfn Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 He’s got plenty of technical ability, we’ve seen that over the last 3 seasons, especially last season. The issue isn’t his ability, it’s his form. He’s had a poor season. That he keeps being selected is due to the fact that a) we have nobody else and b) a significant chunk of our fan base go nuts every time he’s left out of the team to give somebody else a chance.
justfoxes Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 9 hours ago, cropstonfox said: Do not dream of 7th or above.You ask Claude. Maybe 7 is Claude’s lucky Number??
foxinsox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 9 hours ago, foxfanazer said: 'JV is not a great technician'. Ah if only I could be arsed to post videos of some of the goals he's scored for us. Ridiculous statement Perhaps our biggest problem is replacing Vardy. The style of play not suiting him is masking the fact that he is not as good as he was. We cannot rely on him for goals for too much longer, maybe 18 month tops. That is the biggest challenge in bringing through a new team. Apart from Vardy we have not had another reliable striker since Nugent. This is not unique to us, neither have nearly all the teams below us.
gw_leics772 Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 8 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said: Only used them once CF Still traumatised Bloody snowflake! Ok its not cushelle but its not the tracing paper we had at school "when i was a lad" During the war..... one sheet, poke a hole, use finger, clean fingernails, wrap in cling film, in your bag and take it home with you etc etc. (Ps, i wasnt alive during the war)
mozartfox Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 It might help to accept that Legends have a shelf life and the squad needs a major rebuild. Also, we cannot underestimate the damage that bad recruitment has/is still doing to us both on the field and financially. All this is part of Puel's problems. It will take two windows and a lot of outward maneuvering to start to get things back on track. We are very fortunate to have a crop of truly excellent youngsters.
lgfualol Posted 14 January 2019 Posted 14 January 2019 It is either play vardy and do low powerful crosses/cut backs or get a big man to occupy defences and get his head on crosses. Our goal came from Ricardo reaching the byline and cutting it back which suits Vardy, but then we spent 90% of the other attacks crossing from about the corner of the 18 yard box. Dumb.
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