Premier League Thread 2019/20

[Fox in the North]

Surely the answer must be to use the GPS sensor that every teams use to track the position of their players?

 

Put measurement that the players have to be from each other when they are last man (I am sure an algorithm could be figured out) or put these players’ gps systems on a grid on a pitch where two people (Virtual linesmen ) watch both lines and assess the gaps? 
 

This then takes responsibility from VAR and linesmen on the pitch to assess the field of play instead of having sodding issues with offside? 

[surrifox]

So the whole “ clear and obvious” test has no application . The ref had a clear enough view of the handball to disallow the goal in real time and there is no agreement as to whether his call was incorrect so the decision  is overturned by someone looking at a TV feed with no conclusive footage 

[Legend_in_blue]

7 minutes ago, Swarles Barkley said:

 

literally this kind of decision has happened 4 times this weekend. Not just Liverpool

 

 

 

I'm not talking about offsides.  The "clear and obvious" rule is open to far more corruption than the offsides.  Overruling/not overruling the referee is where the grey area is far too big when addressing "clear and obvious". 

[ealingfox]

15 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

 

 No offence boys but I'm getting really bored of opinions like this. 

 

This is nothing to do with technology, it's accurate. Basically every offside decision I've seen this year has been accurate. 

 

I don't gives flying shit if someone is offside by a millimetre or not, there has to be a cut off somewhere. If you're off, you're off, whether you're off by a pixel or by ten metres. It doesn't matter. There has to be a threshold somewhere. Jonny WAS off. 

 

If you insist there has to be daylight, for example, you still have to have a cut off somewhere so it ends up being daylight by a pixel or whatever. 

 

All people are getting angry about this season is, stupidly, accuracy. You're getting upset at decisions being rightly given that are close. That's retarded. Last season you had decisions going wrong when there was miles off or onside. What do you prefer!? 

 

I love a rant about VAR favouring Liverpool as much as anyone but put your bias away a second. Lallana did hit his shoulder and Jonny was marginally off. 

 

 

Mate, come on. 

 

I am pro-VAR but that is not offside. No way. They've given that offside because they wanted to.

 

I dislike Wolves and they're a bigger threat to us than Liverpool but I'm still fuming.

[Guest Cujek]

5 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

This person has it about right:

 

 

 

 

Just make it so some part of the player is onside. 

 

Then you ain't gotta worry about armpits

[Filbert1962]

2 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Nope not a clue

 

Have to wonder if that was put before several refs independently how many would agree with the offside decision - it’s still open to interpretation even with those lines. 

[Manwell Pablo]

12 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

 

 

 No offence boys but I'm getting really bored of opinions like this. 

 

This is nothing to do with technology, it's accurate. Basically every offside decision I've seen this year has been accurate. 

 

I don't gives flying shit if someone is offside by a millimetre or not, there has to be a cut off somewhere. If you're off, you're off, whether you're off by a pixel or by ten metres. It doesn't matter. There has to be a threshold somewhere. Jonny WAS off. 

 

If you insist there has to be daylight, for example, you still have to have a cut off somewhere so it ends up being daylight by a pixel or whatever. 

 

All people are getting angry about this season is, stupidly, accuracy. You're getting upset at decisions being rightly given that are close. That's retarded. Last season you had decisions going wrong when there was miles off or onside. What do you prefer!? 

 

I love a rant about VAR favouring Liverpool as much as anyone but put your bias away a second. Lallana did hit his shoulder and Jonny was marginally off. 

 

I’m just sick of seeing goal like that disallowed. Nothing to do with Liverpool. Actually would prefer wolves to drop points they are putting a challenge together. 
 

Maybe in terms of a physical science he’s off but just doesn’t seem like football anymore with some decisions like that.

[RowlattsFox]

I don't know about other people but I've certainly started thinking whether it was offside immediately after the ball goes in. Admittedly I watch on TV most of the time and might be different for those in the stadiums. 

[Finnegan]

9 minutes ago, MattP said:

It isn't 100% accurate. Its humans drawing a line on a screen guessing from stopping a camera when a ball has a been kicked.

 

We have absolute no idea whether these decisions are accurate or not. We are stopping the game a lot of the time to just guess.

 

Even if this were true (it's hugely over simplified) it's still 1000000% more accurate than a linesman taking an educated guess during live play at full speed which immediately shits all over your complaint. 

 

A linesman cannot physically possibly be looking across the line and at the player kicking the ball at the exact same time and even then he doesn't have super robot eyes to slow it down to pixels to make judgements. 

 

Old offside was ****ing horrendous with goals given or ruled out by sheer guess work. 

 

It was way more open to bias, corruption and just sheer error than the current system. 

 

Anyone that "disagrees" with that is OBJECTIVELY wrong. It's not a debate, I'm not arguing, I'm stating complete fact. 

 

Is the current VAR offside system perfect? **** no, is it an improvement? Massively. People are only moaning about it because they're either enormous change phobes, their team has been penalised by it and they're ferociously partisan, they're being whipped it to a frenzy by awful media reporting sensationalising the issue to sell a story or all three. 

[Blue ROI]

Farewell VAR. We hardly knew you 

[trabuch]

4 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Now we have had VAR, we can't get rid of it. 

 

I haven't followed other countries use of it but haven't heard anything like the problems we've had here and haven't noticed anything in champions League either. Are they just not looking as closely? 

 

I get the "it doesn't matter if he's off by 10 yards or 1mm" argument but there got to be better version of the rules. Before VAR, noone would even question these goals apart from maybe it was close but benefit of doubt goes to attacker. 

Fewer issues because the on field refs look at the replay on the onfield monitor. But that twat Riley has stopped that. 

[jammie82uk]

1 minute ago, Izzy said:

Just remind me which part of the body they use to measure it? Is it your foot, armpit or what?

I have no idea now, I Can’t even work out where they have measured against the Liverpool player 

[peach0000]

8 minutes ago, Corky said:

Doubt it, the ball is one object, with an offside you're looking at heads, feet, legs, shoulders to see what is ahead or behind, and when the ball is played. Far more technical

pressure pads on ball, cameras tracking body. I'm no expert though someone much cleverer with many PHDs would have to come up with something. Technology these days is outstandingly brilliant. 

[onekeithweller]

Hands up if you're going to Finnegans party.

[TheF1Bob]

Are we gonna start measuring their toe nails? Because that's the way it's heading unfortunately. 

 

The madness of it man. 

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

doesn’t seem like football anymore

 

Why!?!?!!?? I hear this so much and I just don't get it. 

 

Awful amounts of blatantly frustrating human error is "like football" to you!?!? 

 

What is wrong with people that they're so hateful of technology that they'd rather a "human" linesman make horrendous glaring errors rather than apply a bit of science to make it more accurate!? 

[ARM1968]

1 minute ago, onekeithweller said:

Hands up if you're going to Finnegans party.

Wake

[surrifox]

It’s not just offsides though - it doesn’t even get penalty decisions correct 

[mozartfox]

5 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Only use VAR for penalty decisions & reds if we insist on using it 

Well that is why Wolves are massively peed off. So as this was in the build up to the goal it is ignored??? Surely not ?

[The Horse's Mouth]

Cant tell if finners is just on wind up or being a contrarian for the sake of it 

[Finnegan]

Just now, ARM1968 said:

Wake

 

Uisce beatha for all. 

[ARM1968]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

Uisce beatha for all. 

Cheers

[Guest Markyblue]

7 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Just remind me which part of the body they use to measure it? Is it your foot, armpit or what?

The part that favours Liverpool,  simple really. 

[HybridFox]

The ones who run VAR will never reform it so prefer it scrapped

[foxer]

4 minutes ago, Filbert1962 said:

Have to wonder if that was put before several refs independently how many would agree with the offside decision - it’s still open to interpretation even with those lines. 

Yeah. And if that's the case and it's contentious just make an overriding decision either for or against the attacking team for every instance. The obvious vote is for the attacking team. Like, if it takes more than 5 seconds to determine, the goal stands.