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17 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

Don't take the piss. All I'm saying is they operate on a smaller budget than most of the division, with the smallest ground, and have come miles in the last decade. If they get rid of Howe they will regret it forever. 

 

They spent £50m this season on transfers and £80m last year.

 

Outside the traditional big six then the other 14 clubs get the majority of their income from TV money.  In 2018 they were rated the 28th biggest club in the world on the metric of income. 

 

In today's football Bournemouth are more comparable to a club like Everton than Everton are to Tottenham. 

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1 hour ago, sm1 said:

Pearson's last 15 PL games, 11 wins & 2 losses against Chelsea & Liverpool. In 2015 it was Cambiasso that was given the credit by some and now its Deeney. In reality the common denominator in both cases is Pearson and Shakey. Regardless of what some think they are an excellent team. 

Its a combination of Pearson's formidable personality and the sheer cunning of players like Cambiasso and Deeney. Maddison is a very clever player but obviously , at his age , doesn't have their long experience.

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The reason Bournemouths net spend is bigger than Liverpool's is because 3 or 4 years ago their most expensive player was probably worth a couple of million quid, so if they're going to improve they need to spend money without being able to recoup with outgoing players. Liverpool got well over 200m for 2 players so the entire squad klopp has built was basically financed by that, so this 'net spend' people try to judge teams on is ludicrous imo. The problem isn't that Bournemouth have spent money, it's that they've spent it terribly.

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13 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

The reason Bournemouths net spend is bigger than Liverpool's is because 3 or 4 years ago their most expensive player was probably worth a couple of million quid, so if they're going to improve they need to spend money without being able to recoup with outgoing players. Liverpool got well over 200m for 2 players so the entire squad klopp has built was basically financed by that, so this 'net spend' people try to judge teams on is ludicrous imo. The problem isn't that Bournemouth have spent money, it's that they've spent it terribly.

Why is it ludicrous? That’s literally the definition of money spent. Bournemouth could also sell their best player and finance a new squad that way, but they haven’t...

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When Liverpool sold coutinho who was Bournemouths best player and how much were they worth? Genuine question, you can't hope to progress from being a league 2 side to a sustainable premier League team by selling your best player for 5m then buying ten players for 500k each, it's just not realistic. It's why often promoted teams net spends are bigger than the 'top 6', you simply can't cover the cost of improving your team by selling your best players because for one they won't cover the cost and for two you'll plummet straight back down to the championship. 

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8 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

When Liverpool sold coutinho who was Bournemouths best player and how much were they worth? Genuine question, you can't hope to progress from being a league 2 side to a sustainable premier League team by selling your best player for 5m then buying ten players for 500k each, it's just not realistic. It's why often promoted teams net spends are bigger than the 'top 6', you simply can't cover the cost of improving your team by selling your best players because for one they won't cover the cost and for two you'll plummet straight back down to the championship. 

Ake or Wilson I suppose, the same as it is 2 years and 130 million pound later 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

As for the part of progressing despite selling your best players, Brentford are the prime example of why you can do exactly that. 

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13 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

When Liverpool sold coutinho who was Bournemouths best player and how much were they worth? Genuine question, you can't hope to progress from being a league 2 side to a sustainable premier League team by selling your best player for 5m then buying ten players for 500k each, it's just not realistic. It's why often promoted teams net spends are bigger than the 'top 6', you simply can't cover the cost of improving your team by selling your best players because for one they won't cover the cost and for two you'll plummet straight back down to the championship. 

Not to mention that Liverpool won the lottery with Coutinho. He’s no better than, for example, Mahrez but they got twice as much for him as we managed.

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They've spent terribly, I said so in my original post, which is why they're in the mess they are in, seems obvious to me it's much easier to stay established than become established in the PL and a net spend stat just backs that up, if Bournemouth sold a player for 140m they'd be in the black with net spend, but their best players are barely worth a tenth of that, it's just been compounded by the fact that what they have spent has been wasted on bang average players who have just taken them backwards. 

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52 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Net spend isn't a very useful metric really. 

Well it is sometimes and it isn’t at others

 

if you want to know how much your club has actually spent, surely nett spend is more informative 

 

If you spend 300m and dont sell anyone then that’s a pretty impressive outlay

 

if you do the same but sell players for 200m then it’s a bit different ....

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1 hour ago, ttfn said:

Not to mention that Liverpool won the lottery with Coutinho. He’s no better than, for example, Mahrez but they got twice as much for him as we managed.

Makes me sick how much they frequently get. They're the best in the business for selling for over the odds. Even their cast offs like Ibe and Solanke they still seem to land about £15-20mil a head.

 

Bournemouth won Liverpool the Premier League. That is their legacy.

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Very unlikely, but imagine if Everton do somehow get relegated - considering how much they've spend on average players in recent reasons, and their gamble to hire a highly-regarded and very successful manager to try and get the best out of their current team..

 

Wouldn't be happy at all with all of these cash injections into this club and yet still battling in mid-table if I were a Toffees fan.

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41 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Very unlikely, but imagine if Everton do somehow get relegated - considering how much they've spend on average players in recent reasons, and their gamble to hire a highly-regarded and very successful manager to try and get the best out of their current team..

 

Wouldn't be happy at all with all of these cash injections into this club and yet still battling in mid-table if I were a Toffees fan.

They have lost 110 million in the last year & could have FFP problems

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Yep their finances have just come out at their AGM and there's some horrible reading for Everton fans. Basically borrowing money from banks and shareholders to pay off previous loans, and even though the owner has injected £100m their net loss is still £122m. £160m wage bill which is 85% of turnover. 

 

:nigel:

 

 

Niasse, Tosun and Kean cost about £70m between them, one is out on loan, another has played six league games in the last season and a half, and the other one hasn't scored a single goal.

 

Superb stuff.... 

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4 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Yep their finances have just come out at their AGM and there's some horrible reading for Everton fans. Basically borrowing money from banks and shareholders to pay off previous loans, and even though the owner has injected £100m their net loss is still £122m. £160m wage bill which is 85% of turnover. 

 

:nigel:

 

 

Niasse, Tosun and Kean cost about £70m between them, one is out on loan, another has played six league games in the last season and a half, and the other one hasn't scored a single goal.

 

Superb stuff.... 

But they will still not fall foul of FFP ..... bizarre ......the old established clubs seem to live in a parallel universe to the rest of us !

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1 hour ago, The Bear said:

Yep their finances have just come out at their AGM and there's some horrible reading for Everton fans. Basically borrowing money from banks and shareholders to pay off previous loans, and even though the owner has injected £100m their net loss is still £122m. £160m wage bill which is 85% of turnover. 

 

:nigel:

 

 

Niasse, Tosun and Kean cost about £70m between them, one is out on loan, another has played six league games in the last season and a half, and the other one hasn't scored a single goal.

 

Superb stuff.... 

And yet people on here saying Bournemouth are the big spenders. 

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7 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

They spent £50m this season on transfers and £80m last year.

 

Outside the traditional big six then the other 14 clubs get the majority of their income from TV money.  In 2018 they were rated the 28th biggest club in the world on the metric of income. 

 

In today's football Bournemouth are more comparable to a club like Everton than Everton are to Tottenham. 

No they ain't. Everton have multiple trophies massive history full 40,000 crowds, huge following. Bournemouth have been bottom division forever and struck gold for 5 mins with a incredible young manager. They are incomparable. 

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3 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

No they ain't. Everton have multiple trophies massive history full 40,000 crowds, huge following. Bournemouth have been bottom division forever and struck gold for 5 mins with a incredible young manager. They are incomparable. 

Exactly there’s maybe 50-60 clubs bigger than Bournemouth in English football, compared to maybe 5-6 than Everton. Comparing them is like comparing us to Mansfield 

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2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Very unlikely, but imagine if Everton do somehow get relegated - considering how much they've spend on average players in recent reasons, and their gamble to hire a highly-regarded and very successful manager to try and get the best out of their current team..

 

Wouldn't be happy at all with all of these cash injections into this club and yet still battling in mid-table if I were a Toffees fan.

They won't go down and Everton fans aren't happy with how the club is, hence the protesting that went on last week.

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47 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

And yet people on here saying Bournemouth are the big spenders. 

 

For context - people say that in response to those saying Bournemouth are operating on a small budget.

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