Gerard Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 17 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said: Don't take the piss. All I'm saying is they operate on a smaller budget than most of the division, with the smallest ground, and have come miles in the last decade. If they get rid of Howe they will regret it forever. They spent £50m this season on transfers and £80m last year. Outside the traditional big six then the other 14 clubs get the majority of their income from TV money. In 2018 they were rated the 28th biggest club in the world on the metric of income. In today's football Bournemouth are more comparable to a club like Everton than Everton are to Tottenham. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sm1 Posted 14 January 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 14 January 2020 On 13/01/2020 at 13:38, An Sionnach said: Why are Watford improving? Pearson , well he won't tolerate namby-pamby prima donnas for sure . Real reason , Deeney or to be more precise Deeney's brain. Pearson's last 15 PL games, 11 wins & 2 losses against Chelsea & Liverpool. In 2015 it was Cambiasso that was given the credit by some and now its Deeney. In reality the common denominator in both cases is Pearson and Shakey. Regardless of what some think they are an excellent team. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest An Sionnach Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 1 hour ago, sm1 said: Pearson's last 15 PL games, 11 wins & 2 losses against Chelsea & Liverpool. In 2015 it was Cambiasso that was given the credit by some and now its Deeney. In reality the common denominator in both cases is Pearson and Shakey. Regardless of what some think they are an excellent team. Its a combination of Pearson's formidable personality and the sheer cunning of players like Cambiasso and Deeney. Maddison is a very clever player but obviously , at his age , doesn't have their long experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 The reason Bournemouths net spend is bigger than Liverpool's is because 3 or 4 years ago their most expensive player was probably worth a couple of million quid, so if they're going to improve they need to spend money without being able to recoup with outgoing players. Liverpool got well over 200m for 2 players so the entire squad klopp has built was basically financed by that, so this 'net spend' people try to judge teams on is ludicrous imo. The problem isn't that Bournemouth have spent money, it's that they've spent it terribly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildave3 Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 13 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said: The reason Bournemouths net spend is bigger than Liverpool's is because 3 or 4 years ago their most expensive player was probably worth a couple of million quid, so if they're going to improve they need to spend money without being able to recoup with outgoing players. Liverpool got well over 200m for 2 players so the entire squad klopp has built was basically financed by that, so this 'net spend' people try to judge teams on is ludicrous imo. The problem isn't that Bournemouth have spent money, it's that they've spent it terribly. Why is it ludicrous? That’s literally the definition of money spent. Bournemouth could also sell their best player and finance a new squad that way, but they haven’t... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 When Liverpool sold coutinho who was Bournemouths best player and how much were they worth? Genuine question, you can't hope to progress from being a league 2 side to a sustainable premier League team by selling your best player for 5m then buying ten players for 500k each, it's just not realistic. It's why often promoted teams net spends are bigger than the 'top 6', you simply can't cover the cost of improving your team by selling your best players because for one they won't cover the cost and for two you'll plummet straight back down to the championship. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildave3 Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 8 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said: When Liverpool sold coutinho who was Bournemouths best player and how much were they worth? Genuine question, you can't hope to progress from being a league 2 side to a sustainable premier League team by selling your best player for 5m then buying ten players for 500k each, it's just not realistic. It's why often promoted teams net spends are bigger than the 'top 6', you simply can't cover the cost of improving your team by selling your best players because for one they won't cover the cost and for two you'll plummet straight back down to the championship. Ake or Wilson I suppose, the same as it is 2 years and 130 million pound later 🤷🏼♂️ As for the part of progressing despite selling your best players, Brentford are the prime example of why you can do exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 13 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said: When Liverpool sold coutinho who was Bournemouths best player and how much were they worth? Genuine question, you can't hope to progress from being a league 2 side to a sustainable premier League team by selling your best player for 5m then buying ten players for 500k each, it's just not realistic. It's why often promoted teams net spends are bigger than the 'top 6', you simply can't cover the cost of improving your team by selling your best players because for one they won't cover the cost and for two you'll plummet straight back down to the championship. Not to mention that Liverpool won the lottery with Coutinho. He’s no better than, for example, Mahrez but they got twice as much for him as we managed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 They've spent terribly, I said so in my original post, which is why they're in the mess they are in, seems obvious to me it's much easier to stay established than become established in the PL and a net spend stat just backs that up, if Bournemouth sold a player for 140m they'd be in the black with net spend, but their best players are barely worth a tenth of that, it's just been compounded by the fact that what they have spent has been wasted on bang average players who have just taken them backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 Net spend isn't a very useful metric really. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 I'd much rather have Riyad than coutinho in my team, no way he's worth what Barca paid even now the transfer market has got even more crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 52 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Net spend isn't a very useful metric really. Well it is sometimes and it isn’t at others if you want to know how much your club has actually spent, surely nett spend is more informative If you spend 300m and dont sell anyone then that’s a pretty impressive outlay if you do the same but sell players for 200m then it’s a bit different .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 1 hour ago, ttfn said: Not to mention that Liverpool won the lottery with Coutinho. He’s no better than, for example, Mahrez but they got twice as much for him as we managed. Makes me sick how much they frequently get. They're the best in the business for selling for over the odds. Even their cast offs like Ibe and Solanke they still seem to land about £15-20mil a head. Bournemouth won Liverpool the Premier League. That is their legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 Everton agree naming rights with business partner of owner. 30 odd million being touted. I’m not sure I like this naming rights thing. Yes yes I know we have the KP Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 Very unlikely, but imagine if Everton do somehow get relegated - considering how much they've spend on average players in recent reasons, and their gamble to hire a highly-regarded and very successful manager to try and get the best out of their current team.. Wouldn't be happy at all with all of these cash injections into this club and yet still battling in mid-table if I were a Toffees fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 41 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Very unlikely, but imagine if Everton do somehow get relegated - considering how much they've spend on average players in recent reasons, and their gamble to hire a highly-regarded and very successful manager to try and get the best out of their current team.. Wouldn't be happy at all with all of these cash injections into this club and yet still battling in mid-table if I were a Toffees fan. They have lost 110 million in the last year & could have FFP problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 6 hours ago, Realjimbo said: Sure I saw a movie on the horror channel called "Deeneys brain"! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 (edited) Yep their finances have just come out at their AGM and there's some horrible reading for Everton fans. Basically borrowing money from banks and shareholders to pay off previous loans, and even though the owner has injected £100m their net loss is still £122m. £160m wage bill which is 85% of turnover. Niasse, Tosun and Kean cost about £70m between them, one is out on loan, another has played six league games in the last season and a half, and the other one hasn't scored a single goal. Superb stuff.... Edited 14 January 2020 by The Bear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 4 minutes ago, The Bear said: Yep their finances have just come out at their AGM and there's some horrible reading for Everton fans. Basically borrowing money from banks and shareholders to pay off previous loans, and even though the owner has injected £100m their net loss is still £122m. £160m wage bill which is 85% of turnover. Niasse, Tosun and Kean cost about £70m between them, one is out on loan, another has played six league games in the last season and a half, and the other one hasn't scored a single goal. Superb stuff.... But they will still not fall foul of FFP ..... bizarre ......the old established clubs seem to live in a parallel universe to the rest of us ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyJim1987 Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 1 hour ago, The Bear said: Yep their finances have just come out at their AGM and there's some horrible reading for Everton fans. Basically borrowing money from banks and shareholders to pay off previous loans, and even though the owner has injected £100m their net loss is still £122m. £160m wage bill which is 85% of turnover. Niasse, Tosun and Kean cost about £70m between them, one is out on loan, another has played six league games in the last season and a half, and the other one hasn't scored a single goal. Superb stuff.... And yet people on here saying Bournemouth are the big spenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxyJim1987 Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 7 hours ago, Gerard said: They spent £50m this season on transfers and £80m last year. Outside the traditional big six then the other 14 clubs get the majority of their income from TV money. In 2018 they were rated the 28th biggest club in the world on the metric of income. In today's football Bournemouth are more comparable to a club like Everton than Everton are to Tottenham. No they ain't. Everton have multiple trophies massive history full 40,000 crowds, huge following. Bournemouth have been bottom division forever and struck gold for 5 mins with a incredible young manager. They are incomparable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OadbyBlue Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 3 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: No they ain't. Everton have multiple trophies massive history full 40,000 crowds, huge following. Bournemouth have been bottom division forever and struck gold for 5 mins with a incredible young manager. They are incomparable. Exactly there’s maybe 50-60 clubs bigger than Bournemouth in English football, compared to maybe 5-6 than Everton. Comparing them is like comparing us to Mansfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 2 hours ago, Wymsey said: Very unlikely, but imagine if Everton do somehow get relegated - considering how much they've spend on average players in recent reasons, and their gamble to hire a highly-regarded and very successful manager to try and get the best out of their current team.. Wouldn't be happy at all with all of these cash injections into this club and yet still battling in mid-table if I were a Toffees fan. They won't go down and Everton fans aren't happy with how the club is, hence the protesting that went on last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: But they will still not fall foul of FFP ..... bizarre ......the old established clubs seem to live in a parallel universe to the rest of us ! £94m losses over the three year FFP period. Short of the £105m allowed loss. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51114007 Edited 14 January 2020 by The Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Posted 14 January 2020 Share Posted 14 January 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: And yet people on here saying Bournemouth are the big spenders. For context - people say that in response to those saying Bournemouth are operating on a small budget. Edited 14 January 2020 by Langston 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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