davieG Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 Some decisions that go to the video assistant referee are to be shown on big screens in Premier League grounds. Graphics will explain any VAR-related delay to a match, and any overturned decision, from next season. Any video clip which helps explain an overturned decision will be broadcast, and they could potentially be viewed via an app on mobile phones. Messages on scoreboards and PA announcements will be made at grounds which do not have giant screens. VAR checks will be for "clear and obvious errors" relating to four match-changing situations: goals, mistaken identity, red cards and incidents in the penalty area. It debuts in the Premier League next season, having been used at the 2018 World Cup, in this season's Champions League knockout stages and in selected FA Cup and Carabao Cup ties. For clubs that do not have giant screens in their stadium, VAR communications will be made via a combination of PA announcements and messages on scoreboards. "If the VAR believes there is a definitive video clip which helps explain an overturned decision to fans, it will be broadcast on giant screens," the Premier League said in a statement The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48534031
AKCJ Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 "The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app". Should be doing everything we can to encourage people to get off their phones IMO.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 Can't we just accept that game referees are human beings that make mistakes, but are generally trying their best and it all evens out in the end?
PhillippaT Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 4 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Can't we just accept that game referees are human beings that make mistakes, but are generally trying their best and it all evens out in the end? What? No 'big club' bias? But what else are we supposed to complain about?
Dan Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 13 minutes ago, davieG said: Some decisions that go to the video assistant referee are to be shown on big screens in Premier League grounds. Graphics will explain any VAR-related delay to a match, and any overturned decision, from next season. Any video clip which helps explain an overturned decision will be broadcast, and they could potentially be viewed via an app on mobile phones. Messages on scoreboards and PA announcements will be made at grounds which do not have giant screens. VAR checks will be for "clear and obvious errors" relating to four match-changing situations: goals, mistaken identity, red cards and incidents in the penalty area. It debuts in the Premier League next season, having been used at the 2018 World Cup, in this season's Champions League knockout stages and in selected FA Cup and Carabao Cup ties. For clubs that do not have giant screens in their stadium, VAR communications will be made via a combination of PA announcements and messages on scoreboards. "If the VAR believes there is a definitive video clip which helps explain an overturned decision to fans, it will be broadcast on giant screens," the Premier League said in a statement The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48534031 Jesus Christ. Even more sterile atmosphere incoming.
Cincinnati Fox Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 28 minutes ago, AKCJ said: "The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app". Should be doing everything we can to encourage people to get off their phones IMO. Jesus
Guest Papasmurf Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 32 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Can't we just accept that game referees are human beings that make mistakes, but are generally trying their best and it all evens out in the end? No, we all have to stand there scratching our arses for 5 mins while the ref ambles over to the tv at the side of the pitch before we’re allowed to celebrate a goal.
davieG Posted 5 June 2019 Author Posted 5 June 2019 26 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said: Jesus Christ. Even more sterile atmosphere incoming. If it's while they're making the decision it probably wont affect the atmosphere as that'll be crap anyway but if it's after yeah and how pointless. Wont matter anyway because you can't get a decent signal.
StanSP Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 The bigger thing here is that communication for the benefit of fans in the stadium was lacking but now they've (PL) opened their eyes and decided to go with the simple, yet effective, solution. Fans will be more understanding of what the review is for (via big screen or PA/Tannoy announcement) and in some cases be even more aware of what it got reversed for so there's no debate, confusion or ambiguity about decisions that could have been controversial. Will obviously work both ways for us and just like any other team, too. Yes the phone thing is shit but as @davieG said, signal is shite so can't imagine fans in the stadium will persevere too much with it. I guess it's more to do if you're out and about or not watching the game and you can keep up with things happening in the game. Exactly the same as goal clips/updates that Sky Sports do on their app almost instantaneously these days. That's been happening for last season (at least) yet I've never seen anyone at a home game do exaclty that - see the goal in real life then go on to their phone to watch it during the rest of the game.
Otis Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 1 hour ago, davieG said: VAR checks will be for "clear and obvious errors" They keep saying this but what we have seen so far isn't the case. We seen disallowed goals because a player is half an inch offside, which is utter garbage.
Steve Earle Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: "The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app". Should be doing everything we can to encourage people to get off their phones IMO. Does that mean we’ll finally get Wi-fi at the KP?
Adster Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 3 hours ago, AKCJ said: "The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app". Should be doing everything we can to encourage people to get off their phones IMO. Signal and 4G is so shit inside the stadium it wouldn't really matter anyway.
Ian Nacho Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 5 hours ago, AKCJ said: "The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app". Should be doing everything we can to encourage people to get off their phones IMO. To be honest the signal has always been awful for me to even get the latest scores so I doubt I'll be able to get a video up
Nod.E Posted 5 June 2019 Posted 5 June 2019 2 hours ago, Adster said: Signal and 4G is so shit inside the stadium it wouldn't really matter anyway. 5G is being rolled out, can't imagine it'll be long before it's in all cities
ozleicester Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 6 hours ago, AKCJ said: "The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app". Should be doing everything we can to encourage people to get off their phones IMO. It is about making real football more like FIFA etc thats why we have VAR etc
ajthefox Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 I don't think even showing replays will help much frankly. Too many fans have no sympathy for refs and are constantly looking at things through tinted specs. There will be some decisions where replays will prove fans wrong but there'll be plenty where fans are even more outraged.
yorkie1999 Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 4 minutes ago, ajthefox said: I don't think even showing replays will help much frankly. Too many fans have no sympathy for refs and are constantly looking at things through tinted specs. There will be some decisions where replays will prove fans wrong but there'll be plenty where fans are even more outraged. How do you mean? outraged that they've been proven wrong by a panel that will examine an incident with far more detail. Personally i think that removing arguments concerning dodgy decisions is a terrible idea in a sport designed to entertain a vocal crowd. Cries of "fvck off ref that was never a penalty, he dived!" will end. Some of our best comebacks in recent years have been influenced by a crowd feeling hard done by or cheated, that's going to end and i'll give it a couple of seasons before we'll end up with a completely sterile atmosphere.
leicesterseddon Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 Personally I'm not looking forward to the introduction of VAR at all. I'll be honest, as a match-going fan I care very little about poor refereeing decisions because I've taken the view that they even out over time. They are also part and parcel of the experience of attending a game. Yes it hurts when you've been robbed, but it also feels great when luck is on your side and you steal an undeserved victory. The only real case I can see for it is this argument that it will counteract a supposed bias among referees towards the bigger teams...but I'm not convinced on that one. Let's see the data at the end of next season but I feel a lot of people are bigging this up and will be disappointed.
ajthefox Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: How do you mean? outraged that they've been proven wrong by a panel that will examine an incident with far more detail. Personally i think that removing arguments concerning dodgy decisions is a terrible idea in a sport designed to entertain a vocal crowd. Cries of "fvck off ref that was never a penalty, he dived!" will end. Some of our best comebacks in recent years have been influenced by a crowd feeling hard done by or cheated, that's going to end and i'll give it a couple of seasons before we'll end up with a completely sterile atmosphere. VAR originally as I understand is intended for clear and obvious mistakes (so they have said many times on MOTD), but it has already been used in instances where it has not clarified things because people still debate the rules. As fans we see replays all the time and still you always get disagreement between the same set of fans. I just think aside from the most clear cut of decisions, it won't make all that much difference. Interpretation and understanding of the rules is the biggest issue really.
yorkie1999 Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 1 minute ago, ajthefox said: VAR originally as I understand is intended for clear and obvious mistakes (so they have said many times on MOTD), but it has already been used in instances where it has not clarified things because people still debate the rules. As fans we see replays all the time and still you always get disagreement between the same set of fans. I just think aside from the most clear cut of decisions, it won't make all that much difference. Interpretation and understanding of the rules is the biggest issue really. I agree, but fans won't have to understand the rules because a var panal is going to make a decision about an incident and probably base that decision on a rule book in front of them, and that's it, no argument and certainly no yelling at a referee because he's totally blameless and his decision has been made for him by someone who could be 50 miles away.
fazzyfox Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 Will Birch be allowed to comment through the PA as we watch...."Oooh comm'on ref eees gorrold of his shirt, deffo pen, comm'on son do yer job, gi's a pen, comm'on, you can hear what our fans think, blimey I dunno what picture you're seeing but irrain't the same as us"
RoboFox Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 16 hours ago, davieG said: The Premier League says it is also looking at ways for supporters to view the clips on handheld devices via an app. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48534031 If we're going to encourage supporters to stare into their devices then let's do it properly: Get every supporter in the ground to record the action live on their phone, all streamed to a central server. 35,000 camera angles create a perfect 3D representation of the action, meaning referees will never ever get a decision wrong ever again. ???? Profit
l444ry Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 39 minutes ago, leicesterseddon said: Personally I'm not looking forward to the introduction of VAR at all. I'll be honest, as a match-going fan I care very little about poor refereeing decisions because I've taken the view that they even out over time. They are also part and parcel of the experience of attending a game. Yes it hurts when you've been robbed, but it also feels great when luck is on your side and you steal an undeserved victory. The only real case I can see for it is this argument that it will counteract a supposed bias among referees towards the bigger teams...but I'm not convinced on that one. Let's see the data at the end of next season but I feel a lot of people are bigging this up and will be disappointed. Shame we didn't have VAR when Speedie and White dived Blackburn and Swindon to those Play-off victories against us all those moons ago.
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 6 June 2019 Posted 6 June 2019 16 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Can't we just accept that game referees are human beings that make mistakes, but are generally trying their best and it all evens out in the end? I'm sure Cardiff wouldn't agree with that after the way this season went
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