Shane Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 39 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: I don't think we'd line in either of those formations, but could well be wrong. I'd expect it to look more like this: I posted it yesterday, but it was removed when the forum rolled back. I think this formation would help get the best out of Barnes. I'm guessing he'll be the rotation option with Perez. This allows him to play more centrally & it's where he performed best for WBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakey Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 10 minutes ago, Beechey said: I expect Maddison would be free to roam to the flanks as well to create overloads Maddison could drift left and Perez to roam right to give sort of a 433? An easily deployed inplay formation/tactic if required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Big Balls Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 minute ago, StriderHiryu said: Yeah he might even have a free role of sorts in the system. Here's what the system looked like for Liverpool: Anyway it's all speculation at the moment. But that's my prediction for what we will see at times this season. I think even if Praet had been here for months that we wouldn't play the diamond against Wolves. They are a good technical team that will look to play and not just counter. We might use it against Sheffield United, but also might not use it properly until the Newcastle home game. You're the go to man for tactic and stuff. Have you got any in depth info about how the midfield diamond works? What type of teams is it effective against? How would we be likely to play in it tempo-wise? Is it good for pressing? I have no idea about any of this and would appreciate any help anyone can offer so I can prepare myself for the pornography Brendan is going to present us with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 minute ago, Billy Big Balls said: You're the go to man for tactic and stuff. Have you got any in depth info about how the midfield diamond works? What type of teams is it effective against? How would we be likely to play in it tempo-wise? Is it good for pressing? I have no idea about any of this and would appreciate any help anyone can offer so I can prepare myself for the pornography Brendan is going to present us with I will definitely make a thread on it during the season. I’m holding off for now simply because I don’t know! He did use it at Liverpool but that was a totally different set of players. So rather than write some garbage that turns out to be false, I’m going to watch us use it first then make the thread. It looked pretty poor when used against Stoke although we did eventually win that game quite convincingly. But that was the first time it was used so I wouldn’t draw too many conclusions from it yet. At Liverpool the most interesting thing about the system was that it created a style that I can best describe as an “attacking counter-attack” type of play. They scored a lot of goals by winning the ball mid to high up the pitch then transitioning to an attacking position very quickly. If only we had a striker that thrived in such situations... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesc Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 Quite happy with this, even if we now have a million midfielders. Maddison, Tielemans and Praet all have good technique and are very comfortable on the ball in tight spaces; Brendan definitely wants to control the midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Big Balls Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: I will definitely make a thread on it during the season. I’m holding off for now simply because I don’t know! He did use it at Liverpool but that was a totally different set of players. So rather than write some garbage that turns out to be false, I’m going to watch us use it first then make the thread. It looked pretty poor when used against Stoke although we did eventually win that game quite convincingly. But that was the first time it was used so I wouldn’t draw too many conclusions from it yet. At Liverpool the most interesting thing about the system was that it created a style that I can best describe as an “attacking counter-attack” type of play. They scored a lot of goals by winning the ball mid to high up the pitch then transitioning to an attacking position very quickly. If only we had a striker that thrived in such situations... Excited to see it live and even more excited for the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 minute ago, Billy Big Balls said: Excited to see it live and even more excited for the thread! https://anfieldindex.com/7982/liverpool-diamond-formation-analysis.html This is a good one to read in the meantime. You can see again some of the tinkering he did in specific games for good results, e.g. he swapped Sterling for Coutinho against Man United at the time as they didn't use a holding midfielder and to give them more pace, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 15 minutes ago, Shane said: I think this formation would help get the best out of Barnes. I'm guessing he'll be the rotation option with Perez. This allows him to play more centrally & it's where he performed best for WBA. I think you're spot on. From West Brom reports it was by far his favoured position as opposed to being on the wing. Preseason tends to suggest that Perez is a lively hardworking individual who pops up everywhere and may be a great role model for him. Barnes appears to be similar and I think given a chance this season in the way you suggest will by next season seem like yet another multimillion pound young prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 12 minutes ago, Aesc said: Quite happy with this, even if we now have a million midfielders. Maddison, Tielemans and Praet all have good technique and are very comfortable on the ball in tight spaces; Brendan definitely wants to control the midfield. I think it also shows what a high tempo he wants at all times, and for that, we will need to see some rotation or earlier substitutions as players will be at full throttle and that's hard to sustain over 90mins and cup games etc. Maybe Mendy and Silva are still going to be used here, especially in the cup games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 Got a feeling I'm gonna love this guy. I've always had a soft spot for the understated players who keep it ticking in midfield. Think this guy could be the new Garry Parker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 hour ago, TrentFox said: Pr-art according to Dorsett ... who claims to have actually asked the question re pronunciation. That's how I pronounced it on talkSPORT last night having taken guidance from a European football expert journalist. I think his name will be mentioned by broadcasters a lot today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 minute ago, Paddy. said: Got a feeling I'm gonna love this guy. I've always had a soft spot for the understated players who keep it ticking in midfield. Think this guy could be the new Garry Parker. Could be our Carrick! Extremely comfortable on the ball, keeps things moving but also can pick a pass and likes to move it forward. I read that he likes to keep the ball and drive forward with it too, which would be great to have a CM capable of beating players and not always playing the simple pass as we see from Mendy/N'didi. Very excited to see him play, but he will of course need time to settle. Hopefully Choudary still gets plenty of game time too, as he has been brilliant in pre-season. Interesting to see how N'didi looks on his return too. Our midfield is looking great! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 Off the bench for Chelsea if we're chasing a goal, starting by Sheffield United (and thereafter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 31 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: Off the bench for Chelsea if we're chasing a goal, starting by Sheffield United (and thereafter). Not sure he's the player you want on if you're chasing a goal though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 minute ago, Collymore said: Not sure he's the player you want on if you're chasing a goal though... He absolutely is, especially if the guy he's replacing is N'didi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 Not been paying attention, thank goodness, but this one feels like an if more than a when - or has something has consequence happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collymore Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 Just now, Deeg67 said: He absolutely is, especially if the guy he's replacing is N'didi. Prefer Barnes on if chasing a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 Just now, Collymore said: Prefer Barnes on if chasing a goal. Good chance Barnes will be starting the first couple of games while Praet settles in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 We're planning ahead. Praet is the "soyuncu" for Maddison when he goes to one of the "big 6" for 100m next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman_Mike Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 (edited) Signing a midfielder that strengthens our wings is very sensible business to me. *not meant to come across sarcastically Edited 8 August 2019 by Stuntman_Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-TA-Jon Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 2 minutes ago, FIF said: We're planning ahead. Praet is the "soyuncu" for Maddison when he goes to one of the "big 6" for 100m next summer. That's one thing we've got really smart at. We replace players before we sell them, we only let one first team leave per season and we get mega bucks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 I think he’s more of a Mendy upgrade/replacement. Mendy only has a year left so he’ll either be getting sold or his contract will run down imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 hour ago, FIF said: We're planning ahead. Praet is the "soyuncu" for Maddison when he goes to one of the "big 6" for 100m next summer. does that mean he will spend most of his time on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said: That's one thing we've got really smart at. We replace players before we sell them, we only let one first team leave per season and we get mega bucks for them. Whom did we sign to replace Mahrez before he left? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapero82 Posted 8 August 2019 Share Posted 8 August 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 49er said: Whom did we sign to replace Mahrez before he left? We still haven’t replaced him unless you class us getting a lookalike of him Edited 8 August 2019 by chapero82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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