The VAR thread

[Dan]

22 hours ago, trabuch said:

I just wish they would stop changing the ****ing rules every 5 minutes. 

The fact they keep doing so should tell you something. Time has done its thing but my god I'm bored.

[Dan]

7 hours ago, Otis said:

 

It's 2023 and this is the best quality the richest sport in the world can come up with. 

Conclusive though apparently hahahaha

[AKCJ]

2 hours ago, Ricey said:

You have to be trolling at this point.

 

You can be offside with the upper part of your arm/shoulder. The line is clearly drawn from the shoulder.

We watched VAR draw the line from his elbow live on Sky Sports.

[The Doctor]

9 hours ago, AKCJ said:

We watched VAR draw the line from his elbow live on Sky Sports.

do me a favour. stand with your arm down by the side of your body like Faes is and have a look whether the outside of your shoulder is level with your elbow.

[yorkie1999]

11 hours ago, StanSP said:

Like that explanation from Dale Johnson. Explains it clearly. 

 

Surprised no one else on here has done that.

Does his explanation include whether or not the image is captured at the exact moment the ball has left the players foot? where is the evidence to say it has, i don't see any lines or rings around the ball.

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Does his explanation include whether or not the image is captured at the exact moment the ball has left the players foot? where is the evidence to say it has, i don't see any lines or rings around the ball.

24 million dollar question and currently we just have to accept that they freeze the image at the correct moment. 
auto offsides will lose this as there is a sensor in the ball which freezes all the player positions at the moment it is struck 

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

24 million dollar question and currently we just have to accept that they freeze the image at the correct moment. 
auto offsides will lose this as there is a sensor in the ball which freezes all the player positions at the moment it is struck 

Good, but atm, the problem is, they are using a system that isn't fit for purpose , and games are being won or lost because of it. If we go down because of a 1 goal difference, it would be because barnes was denied his goal against spurs, what's that worth maybe £200,000,000, all because of some knob can't make a correct decision because he hasn't been provided with the tools to do his job, and that's not right, and using the old "these things equal themselves out over a season" is no longer an arguement because they've introduced technology that now is suppossed to make offsides black or white. I say, drop var for offsides, then come back when it's proven to work and is 100% correct.

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Good, but atm, the problem is, they are using a system that isn't fit for purpose , and games are being won or lost because of it. If we go down because of a 1 goal difference, it would be because barnes was denied his goal against spurs, what's that worth maybe £200,000,000, all because of some knob can't make a correct decision because he hasn't been provided with the tools to do his job, and that's not right, and using the old "these things equal themselves out over a season" is no longer an arguement because they've introduced technology that now is suppossed to make offsides black or white. I say, drop var for offsides, then come back when it's proven to work and is 100% correct.

so now we are saying drop var for offsides when a few weeks ago offsides and goal line tech were listed as being the only things var should be involved with because they were factual calls and not subjective!

 

presumably you'll be ok with a lino missing a two yard offside call (like chelsea at cardiff ) and var isnt able to intervene ??  

 

Edited 21 February 2023 by st albans fox

[yorkie1999]

57 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

so now we are saying drop var for offsides when a few weeks ago offsides and goal line tech were listed as being the only things var should be involved with because they were factual calls and not subjective!

 

presumably you'll be ok with a lino missing a two yard offside call (like chelsea at cardiff ) and var isnt able to intervene ??  

 

Ok, how about changing it to clear and obvious mistakes by the lino's and not using it for 10mm decisions until it can be used for 10mm decisions.

[StanSP]

6 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Ok, how about changing it to clear and obvious mistakes by the lino's and not using it for 10mm decisions until it can be used for 10mm decisions.

What's the clear and obvious barometer for offsides, other than picking an arbitrary number? 

[st albans fox]

16 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Ok, how about changing it to clear and obvious mistakes by the lino's and not using it for 10mm decisions until it can be used for 10mm decisions.

 

10 minutes ago, StanSP said:

What's the clear and obvious barometer for offsides, other than picking an arbitrary number? 

I’ve said it since the beginning - thicker lines - that’s your margin of error - a toe outside of the thicker line is offside. You’ve had your margin of error 

[RobHawk]

Regardless of whether it is actually offside or not, just like barnes' goal the week before, they should both be allowed as it's just too tight. 

 

Remember when the attacker was supposed to be given the advantage and there should even be daylight. 

 

We are now disputing mm's. It's bullshit, a waste of time and not 100% reliable either. 

 

I've always said VAR in this country should be great for the game, but the management of it and the incompetence if our referees both on the pitch and behind a monitor is staggering and is what's ultimately ruining the game

[splinterdream]

WTFox has done a check on Rashfords goal with some vanishing point software and lines of original way off. 

 

 

[tsintskaro]

There was a penalty on Saka, but i am sure nobody said "corrupted football" after that ignored foul 

[HybridFox]

Would have been at least 10 minutes added on at the world cup and that's not an exaggeration 

 

 

[smudger63]

1 minute ago, TK95 said:

Would have been at least 10 minutes added on at the world cup and that's not an exaggeration 

 

 

Arsenal today are the perfect example of why there should be a clock on the screen that stops and starts with the play. There would be no point in chucking themselves on the floor feigning injury, and taking a minute to take a goal kick and throw in, if there was.

[Babylon]

On 21/02/2023 at 18:19, splinterdream said:

WTFox has done a check on Rashfords goal with some vanishing point software and lines of original way off. 

 

 

No, he’s just an idiot

[StanSP]

The play acting from Arsenal is just utterly embarrassing. Absolutely pathetic. 

[Wymsey]

1 minute ago, StanSP said:

The play acting from Arsenal is just utterly embarrassing. Absolutely pathetic. 

I remember when Arteta complained about another team doing it against his side earlier in the season, and thought "how ironic".

 

It's a pity as I like their free-flowing style.

[fazzyfox]

32 minutes ago, somebum said:

We always had good goalkeepers not any more

 

7 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Arsenal today are the perfect example of why there should be a clock on the screen that stops and starts with the play. There would be no point in chucking themselves on the floor feigning injury, and taking a minute to take a goal kick and throw in, if there was.

And their free kicks, I thought they were forming a Cirque De Soleil routine at one point it took so f*****g long

[fazzyfox]

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[fazzyfox]

12 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Arsenal today are the perfect example of why there should be a clock on the screen that stops and starts with the play. There would be no point in chucking themselves on the floor feigning injury, and taking a minute to take a goal kick and throw in, if there was.

And free kicks, at one point I thought they were forming a complex Cirque De Soleil routine as it entered its 4th minute

[Unabomber]

13 minutes ago, StanSP said:

The play acting from Arsenal is just utterly embarrassing. Absolutely pathetic. 

It was up there with the worst I’ve seen at our place. Wish we had equalised as that would’ve sped them up. Why did they not add the time on for all the time wasting I don’t know.

[davieG]

54 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

 

And their free kicks, I thought they were forming a Cirque De Soleil routine at one point it took so f*****g long

The refs are partly to blame.

[Otis]

I think it’s quite clear and apparent now, that wasted time is never add on, no matter how often the referee points disapprovingly at his watch.