Liverpool Post Match Thread

[twister]

He went with the extra man in midfield but positionally Praet did not seem to know where he should be in front of the press of Keita or behind, he often got left in know mans land, Barnes was supposted to be supporting Vardy as a false 10 but he could not hold a position and off the ball he was bambi on ice, going one way then the other he seemed lost and should have been hooked at half time for perez.

 

We know they press like a simeone team at their best, the full backs on top of you for 90 odd minutes, the midfield three always around your box, so you need to stretch the ball out wide play longer balls out wide then get players to recieve and turn, playing out from the back was ridiculous and served no purpose other than putting two traditional centre backs under constant pressure all game.

 

I agreed with Dixon is was concerning one the set up and  how slow he was to react when things went wrong tonight Rodgers.He has done well this year but this month his taticall faults as a coach have shown up a little.

 

Team on saturday needs experienced heads for a game between two teams miles out of form with little rest, changes have to made including Jamie getting a rest otherwise you risk somthing stupid like him doing a hamstring or somthing.

 

Morgan,Fuchs,Albrighton all have to play , same goes for Hamza if only for his ability to stick a foot in, as Youri and Praet tonight barley made a tackle.

 

Perez and Gray should start as well, fresh legs fresh team with more experience, Vardy off the bench for twenty late on,Justin to start as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AK76]

Not a good day at the office 

 

 

[harpendenfox]

26 minutes ago, Raj said:

The team on the whole looked like they had defeat written all over them from the opening minute. Would love to see the tunnelcam beforehand but we looked like a boxer when they fought Mike Tyson in his prime! Ready to lose before getting in the ring.

Majority of our players would score less than 7 at best and we made them look like world beaters.

We were crap-they were good!

They literally are world beaters 

[LestaAl]

It is tedious watching us pass backwards 

so much.

...hope that changes in the new year

[Stephen Hughes]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

Oh dear!  Is it me or is Rodgers showing signs of over thinking the teams and tactics in the last few games?    

😂

[mucfox]

Kasper Schmeichel is absolutely right with his comment. In the 4 defeats against ManUnited, Liverpool, ManCity and again Liverpool (today) we got 3 ridiculous penalties and only the one against ManUnited was really justified.

 

This says everything about the quality of the referees and shows that the big clubs are always preferred. The VAR will not help if the people sitting behind the monitor are just as blind...and despite all the resistance we end up in fourth place.

[Pliskin]

So, best thing to do following a game like that is analyse it with a sense of perspective.

 

Firstly, Liverpool are a force, and there’s a very good reason there is a 0 in their defeats column. They are streets ahead of anyone, and I haven’t seen a more commanding away performance since, United beat us circa 2003? When Van Nistelrooy scored that hat-trick. They’re so consistent throughout the side, and have threats all over the park. They our work, out fight and out play most of their opponents, they will win the league easily, and probably won’t lose at all this season.

 

As for us, we were poor... we’ve had a shot of low confidence and it seems to be sticking. Norwich started wrong and hasn’t gone right since then. The last two games haven’t been kind to us, Man City were on it and up for it and we were off it, and that theme carried on through to today. It was all a bit 2003, I was half expecting Micky Adams to deliver the post match analysis, we appeared to just roll over for them. It’s clear there is some work to do we’ve been playing out of our skins recently, and perhaps we’ve got a bit jaded, but we really need to invest in January, if we’re serious about the top four. Recent performance have shown a frailty to our play, which is inevitable considering the age of the side.

 

It is not the end of the world Liverpool are a world class side, and if you’re slightly off it, you’ll be beaten and unfortunately we’re a bit off it at the moment. I trust Brendan to freshen things up in January and give us the injection we need to ensure a top four finish. This was always going to happen, we weren’t not going to win every game, we just need to keep calm and go into West Ham fresh and ready to go.

[fox_favourite]

Same as everyone else. We were poor, very poor. Tactically, physically and mentally. 

 

We made it far too easy for them. Lack of full movement, awareness and fight. 

 

Don't get me wrong, Liverpool were deserving winners and 4-0 was a fair reflection. But to lose in that manner is hard to take.

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, henrik_62 said:

Was a real sense of deja vu watching that match tonight for me.

 

As great a manager as Rodgers is his stubbornness to stick to his principles and very much the same way of playing, regardless of the opposition is becoming his very obvious Achilles heel.

 

Going toe to toe with Liverpool and trying to beat them at their own game was always going to end up with Leicester getting a sore face if Liverpool were in the mood. Exact same thing happened In the CL regularly when we played Barcelona, PSG, etc and Rodgers clearly still hasn’t learned this lesson.
 

The very top managers can alter their approach and style where and when necessary and find a way to win against sides who are on paper much stronger, Rodgers really needs to start showing he has this in his armoury.

 

Trying to play out from the back against that front three is pure and utter madness and played right into Liverpool’s hands.

I couldn't agree more with this. I was going mental in that first half. The absolute persistence with tactics that were patently causing us problems was inexplicable. Ally McCoist nailed it when he said that almost all our problems were self-inflicted, in the first half particularly. To keep playing out from the back when the Liverpool front 3 were so quick to close us down was criminal. None of the back 4 were comfortable with that tactic today and yet we kept making life tricky for ourselves. We also had nothing without Madders in the middle and his presence on the left gave the best RB in the world free reign....all game. Henderson had all the time in the world on the ball too, 0 pressure.

 

For what it's worth. I'm a massive BR fan but today was a very poor show from him. As you say, the very best managers adapt, they don't persist and rely on blind hope.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

We were schooled by a very impressive outfit. Pool are runaway leaders for a reason. They are so efficient and we'll drilled, you get nothing cheap off them at all. Yeah we can get hysterical and start a slagging thread on everyone of the starting 11, or we can just breathe and accept we are a new team still developing. We are not competing with Pool right now, they are infinitely better than us. We are about finishing top 4, and to date we're doing a cracking job. As long as Brendan can swing the lads back on course, all is still looking rosey at LCFC.

[splinterdream]

2 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

I couldn't agree me with this. I was going mental in that first half. The absolute persistence with tactics that were patently causing us problems was inexplicable. Ally McCoist nailed it when he said that almost all our problems were self-inflicted, in the first half particularly. To keep playing out from the back when the Liverpool front 3 knew exactly what we were going to happen was criminal. None of the back 4 were comfortable and yet we kept making life tricky for ourselves. We had nothing without Madders in the middle and his presence on the left gave the best RB in the world free reign....all game.

 

For what it's worth. I'm a massive BR fan but today was a very poor show from him. As you say, the very best managers adapt, they don't persist and rely on blind hope.

it wasn't passing out from the back that beat us though was it, it was our lack of an organised press giving them so much time on the ball as well as our lack of movement off the ball creating space for ourselves. We just had no intensity or desire

[smudger63]

22 minutes ago, syston_fox said:

Liverpool don't have the best eleven players in the league but what they do is compliment each other very well. Their tactics were spot on, pressured hard when they needed too, forced mistakes and broke fast. 

 

Not the best individual players but best team by a country mile. Similar to when we won it.

 

All this bollocks about them being so far clear because of VAR and referee decisions is bollocks. Klopp has got them playing very well as a collective unit. Fair play to them. 

 

 

Although they are certainly getting their fair share of decisions going there way.

 If you take tonights penalty as an example, Soyuncu has his arm down by his side and clearly tries to unsuccessfully get the arm out the way, so the ball hits the arm, and its a Penalty in todays game, no problem with that, but then go back to the start of the Liverpool v Man City game at 0-0, the ball hits Alexander Arnolds out stretched arm, and no penalty given, Liverpool go up the other end and score, and the game has turned in an instant.

Normally i would say, thats just how different referees interpret the hand ball call, but in the case of tonight and the Man City v Liverpoool game, it is the same referee. Step forward Michael Oliver, well done for being so inconsistant with how you interpret the same decision!

 

 

 

 

[Tielemans63]

Just now, splinterdream said:

it wasn't passing out from the back that beat us though was it, it was our lack of an organised press giving them so much time on the ball as well as our lack of movement off the ball creating space for ourselves. We just had no intensity or desire

It was both. Allowing them to press us so high up the pitch made it impossible to establish any rhythm. Our only decent moments in the first half came when Kasper kicked long because Liverpool's defence actually had something to think about. It's both imho

[ian_marshall]

We desperately need two new attacking midfielder's with pace to play either side of Vardy, or failing that Brendan needs to have the courage to tell his existing player's to play higher up the pitch so as to avoid the opposition full back's pushing forward. In the last two games against Man City and Liverpool the attacking midfielder's have been far too deep which has allowed the opponent to play high up the pitch but also prevented our own full backs getting forward as they're outnumbered, whilst leaving Vardy isolated when the ball eventually does make it's way out. 

[Legend_in_blue]

1 minute ago, smudger63 said:

Although they are certainly getting their fair share of decisions going there way.

 If you take tonights penalty as an example, Soyuncu has his arm down by his side and clearly tries to unsuccessfully get the arm out the way, so the ball hits the arm, and its a Penalty in todays game, no problem with that, but then go back to the start of the Liverpool v Man City game at 0-0, the ball hits Alexander Arnolds out stretched arm, and no penalty given, Liverpool go up the other end and score, and the game has turned in an instant.

Normally i would say, thats just how different referees interpret the hand ball call, but in the case of tonight and the Man City v Liverpoool game, it is the same referee. Step forward Michael Oliver, well done for being so inconsistant with how you interpret the same decision!

 

 

 

 

People overlook this and it's easy to say we were poor, which we were, but again, I'm watching us now on MoTD, and they've been handed the first two goals.  

 

Foul on Ricardo, ignored.  Corner given.

 

Without surgically removing Soyuncus arm, I'm not sure how it's possible to avoid the decision.  A poor decision.  One worthy of a review, but sod the screens.

 

Oliver is a ****.

 

 

[inckley fox]

16 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said:

Brendan has ****ed up some big games this season.

 

Gave Man United too much respect. Gave Man City and Liverpool not enough.

 

Should have had Wes involved in a back three, Hamza alongside Ndidi with Perez and Albrighton offering wing back cover out wide. Park that damn bus and frustrate them. Don't roll over.

 

Hopefully Rodgers had suspected our young and creative players were going to be overawed and has at least ensured they will all be taking notes on how much more they can improve. Man City and Liverpool just taught us about levels.

 

Use the results for character building and rejuvenate now for the second half of the season.

Formation, line-up, subs - the balance of the side, and the build-up strategy - not all of it made sense to me, but we could have picked any team, any shape and still been shown up if our application was as poor and our passing as counter-productive as it was today. It's the first time this season when I've thought the players needed a rocketing.

 

Rodgers really isn't all that hot against the best sides, is he? Too many flair players who neither get on the ball nor muck in with the team effort, too much elaborate passing through high presses. Poorly organised, insufficiently motivated. I'm beginning to accept that we can forget about a cup this season, and top 4, if our performances over the past 4 or 5 matches become the norm, and if we continue to set up this way against top teams.

 

The plus side, of course, is that we've still got plenty of room to improve. We've had some great giant-killing sides over the course of our history. And few of them have had as much potential as this lot.

[HybridFox]

As with the Man City game, I think the scoreline was largely down to the incompetency of referees. The result however was not. 

 

We've got a mentality problem in big games like this which Brendan needs to address urgently. Shown far too much respect to the opposition and are unwilling to make changes soon enough. 

 

Being in our position at home, there were absolutely no excuses for not having a go today. Instead we've given Liverpool a cool down from Qatar.

 

Yes we've got the cup semi final coming up and a favourable tie. But play like we have done against Man City or United in the final, we will get absolutely pasted.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Although they are certainly getting their fair share of decisions going there way.

 If you take tonights penalty as an example, Soyuncu has his arm down by his side and clearly tries to unsuccessfully get the arm out the way, so the ball hits the arm, and its a Penalty in todays game, no problem with that, but then go back to the start of the Liverpool v Man City game at 0-0, the ball hits Alexander Arnolds out stretched arm, and no penalty given, Liverpool go up the other end and score, and the game has turned in an instant.

Normally i would say, thats just how different referees interpret the hand ball call, but in the case of tonight and the Man City v Liverpoool game, it is the same referee. Step forward Michael Oliver, well done for being so inconsistant with how you interpret the same decision!

 

Or maybe he was chastised for that error and proved he has learned a lesson .....

 

rodgers must make sure that the players realise who they have played these past two games - Man City and liverpool at their best are two of the worlds greatest current football teams ....... as good as Barca and anyone else out there ........the players need to have perspective bur also realise how much hard work lies ahead to reach these levels ...... Saturday and next Wednesday are huge games to try and get back on track. The first half at Everton was good enough to make me believe that the team can get back on course ......  we were brave enough tonight at times to allow me to keep the faith .....we must be brave on Saturday to play through any press ..... West Ham are simply way below what we faced these past couple fixtures .....need a win badly and we are good enough ..... no time to prepare ......just play our game .....

[splinterdream]

5 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

It was both. Allowing them to press us so high up the pitch made it impossible to establish any rhythm. Our only decent moments in the first half came when Kasper kicked long because Liverpool's defence actually had something to think about. It's both imho

agreed there's a time and a place for it but by running off the ball it creates options, a point where kasper kicked it into touch which looked out of frustration as no one was moving and liverpool had blocked off all outlets

[Riot Van]

1 hour ago, oohaahmustafa said:

Liverpool are an absolute machine of team. No complaints. They deserve the league. Bonus points for singing **** the torys aswel. We're still better than at least 16 other teams in the league. Euro tour is on. Light show in the bin please. 

Best chant to grace the KP.

[Spiritwalker]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I voted Conservative as did most of the Country to keep the Marxists and Trotts out, why don't you keep politics out of it. I couldn't care less about Liverpool, our performance was problematic for some reason, that's what I care about

I’m sure most of the country didn’t vote Conservative but due to our FPS electoral system they won a majority

but like you say let’s leave politics out of it.

[smudger63]

11 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Or maybe he was chastised for that error and proved he has learned a lesson .....

 

rodgers must make sure that the players realise who they have played these past two games - Man City and liverpool at their best are two of the worlds greatest current football teams ....... as good as Barca and anyone else out there ........the players need to have perspective bur also realise how much hard work lies ahead to reach these levels ...... Saturday and next Wednesday are huge games to try and get back on track. The first half at Everton was good enough to make me believe that the team can get back on course ......  we were brave enough tonight at times to allow me to keep the faith .....we must be brave on Saturday to play through any press ..... West Ham are simply way below what we faced these past couple fixtures .....need a win badly and we are good enough ..... no time to prepare ......just play our game .....

Well to be fair to him, VAR didnt overturn his decision in the Man City v Liverpool game, so he would have been well within his rights, if he had been chastised for that error, to turn round and ask "if i got it wrong, how come VAR didnt overturn my decision".

[Riot Van]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I voted Conservative as did most of the Country to keep the Marxists and Trotts out, why don't you keep politics out of it. I couldn't care less about Liverpool, our performance was problematic for some reason, that's what I care about

Asks to keep politics out of it yet you're the only person i've seen on the football section of this forum to tell us who you voted for.

[splinterdream]

3 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

I’m sure most of the country didn’t vote Conservative but due to our FPS electoral system they won a majority

but like you say let’s leave politics out of it.

you're right of course, my error, more people voted conservative than for any other party by about 3 million

[splinterdream]

1 minute ago, Riot Van said:

Asks to keep politics out of it yet you're the only person i've seen on the football section of this forum to tell us who you voted for.

because i find people slagging off the way others vote offensive that's why. That's why politics should be off this forum full stop