Liverpool Post Match Thread

[Haywood_6]

Best team won. They were just too good. Might as well just give them the league trophy already. Poor performance from us again but we've had a great season so far, let's not forget that, now concentrate on West Ham and let's get back on track!

 

 

[ScouseFox]

we won the jackets though 

[don_danbury]

Just now, henrik_62 said:

Yes really, we’re talking about the champions of Europe and the world here and potentially record breaking league champions elect. They are clearly “that good”.

yeah i'm in the minority but i clearly see the decisions they get, it was on show today. it was always going to be a loss but the scoreline was heavily influenced. watched quite a few games of them this season and they've never looked that good to me.

[Pst]

1 hour ago, Cujek said:

Useless *****

Great support ya ****

[filbertway]

First half I thought we at least pressed and were just being outdone by a better team.

Second half was like Man City, gutless, pathetic and no desire to get anything from the game.

[bfox]

13 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

I still maintain Liverpool aren’t that good. They press well and have a couple of game changing attacking players. They consistently have help from officials and consistently cheat with elbows and jostling in the penalty area. 

Man City and Liverpool both use the dark arts of football to great effect. Perfectly timed tactical fouling as to not get booked, off the camera shirt pulling, trips, berating refs they do all of this while being great in possession, that's why they're the best

[LestaAl]

The biggest frustration for me was we can play much better as individuals and a lot of the team deserve criticism for not playing anywhere near what they have shown us they are capable of.

 

Yes ,Liverpool are sublime  but we showed them too much respect, we did not press them enough as we kept giving the ball away and madders out on the wing never goes well.

light show was great and hope to see something like that again.

 

...we are still on for champions league next season although we clearly need to fill some positions on the wing and Improve the depth of the squad.

 

we’ve had worse seasons TBF

 

 

 

 

[broughtonblue]

We were beaten by the reigning world and European champions, and most likely the premier league champions as well. Who have only lost one in something like 50 league games.Men against boys most of the time. A game you could only admire the opposition. I sometimes look at teams and think who out of our team would enhance our opponents, and tonight I dont believe they would swap a single player for one of our own.

 but we still sit 2nd in the league and un a cup semi final so more than happy at this stage of the season, intact it's still like dreamland 

[splinterdream]

11 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

Norwich was a big hit to take. We are expected to beat them.
 

Our performances would have dipped if we’d have played Bayern Munich & Barcelona after that game too because they’d more than likely have beaten us as well, I don’t see your point

There's loads of points, try reading my posts and replying to them instead of just shrugging your shoulders and expect everyone to just shrug their shoulders. We weren't beaten, we were thrashed badly because of players looking out of form, unfit and Rodgers making tactical errors. Hopefully he'll put it right but there are matters for concern

[bfox]

I'd drop a few after this performance, starting with tielemans and chilly, ben looks completely jaded and playing like a little nervous school kid

[ozleicester]

Liverpool are a VERY good side.

Their first goal shouldnt stand, VAR foul on RickyP! (What is the fvcking point of that stupid VAR)

We deserved a little more for our first ten in the second half.

We have a VERY young side and have just played two of the best teams in the world.

Need to back up and get it done against Wham on the weekend

[Blanchflower78]

Both City and Pool showed us a proper press of the back 4 will expose weakness. Brendan persisting with an indulgence on the ball very deep on the backline. The plan is to invite them on and prise them open with ndidi or Tielemens being the linchpin out. Trouble is in both games City and Pool had countered that option and effectively stopped us getting out at all. We then resort to giving away cheap possession through lack of effect.

 

Nerves got the better of Youri, Madders, Barnes and Perez. The latter two look sadly ineffective for us in truth. Tielemens needs to up his tempo and feet, looks a yard too slow this season - nowhere near the shop window Tielemens. 

 

Last point is both City and Pools defence wont have easier games, we persist with the lone threat of Vardy and hope for a counter.  Hes a fantastic player but he cant press 4 players so merely looks to cover ground at a canter which in truth does very little.

 

As a City fan I'm delighted to be sat in second at this point, probably third after tomm night. I haven't been confident enough to join the European tour converts just yet, not through lack of belief but we are just approaching half way mark.

 

I've seen some tonight suggest 6th could be an achievement now and in truth in August wed have snapped that up. Losing ground feels inevitable now but as to how far will be a test of Rodgers abilities and a number of players desire.

[OadbyBlue]

Let’s Make 3rd our aim and fkn go for it, cl football again would be amazing and we clearly can’t compete against these 2 we played this week yet

[Mike Oxlong]

I feel like I’ve just spent the night at a Michael Barrymore pool party. 

 

Gonna be sore for a while.

[bfox]

1 minute ago, ozleicester said:

Liverpool are a VERY good side.

Their first goal shouldnt stand, VAR foul on RickyP! (What is the fvcking point of that stupid VAR)

We deserved a little more for our first ten in the second half.

We have a VERY young side and have just played two of the best teams in the world.

Need to back up and get it done against Wham on the weekend

Ricky P has such a love hate relationship with refs. Often gets bad calls against him

[syston_fox]

Liverpool don't have the best eleven players in the league but what they do is compliment each other very well. Their tactics were spot on, pressured hard when they needed too, forced mistakes and broke fast. 

 

Not the best individual players but best team by a country mile. Similar to when we won it.

 

All this bollocks about them being so far clear because of VAR and referee decisions is bollocks. Klopp has got them playing very well as a collective unit. Fair play to them. 

 

 

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, foxinsox said:

A poor performance by most. Soyuncu, Praet and Ricardo the only ones that I would score above 5.

 

We gave them so much time on the ball, and lack of pressure that they could adopt a 253 formation most of the time. 

 

I date the decline in our performances to when Keletchi had his brain fart against Norwich. Since then no ones head is right.

 

We need a better performance against West Ham, by a mile, and some squad rotation. 352 may be good with Fuchs in a back 3. 

I'd agree with you on Soyuncu, penalty excepted. At least he had some conviction. Praet, on the other hand, had no impact and I thought Ricardo, while he had his moments, was also pretty poor. Praet rarely puts pressure on the ball when we're out of possession, gets muscled off it in possession, and doesn't seem to move the ball with any tempo. In fact, we played too many midfielders who weren't up to the physical element of the game. Whether the likes of Youri need a rest or not I don't know but up against Liverpool, with their schedule, it shouldn't be an issue. Albrighton and Choudhury were probably good calls for the starting eleven.

 

And it wouldn't hurt us, every once in a while, to not dink balls out to full backs half-way inside our half which either go straight out of play, or lead to said full backs surrendering possession. It's been an issue for the past few games, and often leads to periods of sustained pressure from the opposition. We're not only talking about Liverpool and Man C here, but also Norwich and Everton.

 

I also think our performances were going downhill before the end of our winning run. The press has softened, the work-rate is noticeably poorer, the distribution sloppy, wasteful, and too often counter-productive. There's a serious danger that sides have identified our vulnerability to the press, and to quick attacks, especially when play is switched to the flanks. Our full backs struggle defensively, and they have precious little protection. I thought it was interesting that Rodgers' response to our LB being offered next to no protection by our winger last match, was to not play a winger at all on the left today. Unless you count Maddison, which I don't. And Chilwell got mauled - again. What a shock that was.

 

The top sides just pray for teams to show them the sort of respect we showed them today; sides that shy away from the challenge and try to elaborately play the ball through their high press. On top of that, we chose today to trial a box-shaped midfield unit, with Barnes in unfamiliar territory on the right, and Maddison out of position on the left until Perez, also out of position, stepped in. I don't doubt that there was logic behind it, but - for the third time in the past three league games - it smacked of over-thinking on the manager's part. The consequence - let's not dress it up - was a truly woeful, haphazard, uneven display, and one of the easiest games Liverpool will face all season. It's not a brush-under-the-carpet-and-move-on moment either. Our result against Man C (and Everton, and Norwich) was flattering too.

 

That doesn't mean to say we've not all been spoilt by a great half-season. I was there under Hamilton, Pleat, Levein... and obviously I much prefer this set of problems. But if we're serious about top four - or beating one of these sides to a cup - these players need to be more physical, more aggressive, and to work a lot harder. The manager needs to rethink some of his build-up play, and look at what other sides perceive to be our vulnerabilities. His pre-match assertion that ten points isn't really all that much (when most would have expected him to brush title talk aside) makes it look rather like everyone, him included, has got a bit carried away recently. Now's the time to make sure we get the basics of effort, aggression and organisation right again.

[EnglishOxide]

Brendan has ****ed up some big games this season.

 

Gave Man United too much respect. Gave Man City and Liverpool not enough.

 

Should have had Wes involved in a back three, Hamza alongside Ndidi with Perez and Albrighton offering wing back cover out wide. Park that damn bus and frustrate them. Don't roll over.

 

Hopefully Rodgers had suspected our young and creative players were going to be overawed and has at least ensured they will all be taking notes on how much more they can improve. Man City and Liverpool just taught us about levels.

 

Use the results for character building and rejuvenate now for the second half of the season.

[Mike Oxlong]

Disappointing not to even lay a glove on them 

 

Thought Wilf had a decent game and that was about it. 

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

I feel like I’ve just spent the night at a Michael Barrymore pool party. 

 

Gonna be sore for a while.

Top, Middle or fist up your bottom 

[bfox]

3 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Disappointing not to even lay a glove on them 

 

Thought Wilf had a decent game and that was about it. 

even vardy and his 4 touches in the whole 90 showed more quality than everyone in our team tonight (bar ndidi, possibly Ricky) 

 

[Mike Oxlong]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

Top Middle or fist up your bottom 

All of the above 

[sdb]

1 hour ago, cropstonfox said:

We were out classed twice in a week

 

With pretty much the same approach both times...

[don_danbury]

10 minutes ago, bfox said:

Ricky P has such a love hate relationship with refs. Often gets bad calls against him

feel sorry for him he's constantly on the wrong end of decisions but he still get on with it. you can see his frustration when the call goes against him too. amazing player

[TonyN11]

1 hour ago, BigWesMorgan said:

Schmeichel - 6

Ricardo - 7

Soyuncu - 7

Evans - 3

Chilwell - 1

Barnes - 2

Tielemans - 3

Praet - 3

Ndidi - 2

Maddison - 2

Vardy - 4

 

Any disagreements? 

Thought Ndidi was OK, as was Praet. Tielemans and Maddison were shit.