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Corona Virus

By simFox, in General Chat

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No political discussion in this topic. That is complaining about a country, a politician, a party and/or its voters, etc

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fuchsntf

fuchsntf

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1 hour ago, The People's Hero said:

That kind of straight talking common sense is refreshing, but ultimately not welcome here.

 

Go and buy 682 cans of beans, more rice than you could ever eat and enough toilet roll to last you 17 years and then come back and we'll take you seriously.

 

We're all going to get CV and we will all die.

Bugger that for a job application...!!!

martyn

martyn

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1 hour ago, Captain... said:

The worst case scenario is 80% of the population will end having caught the disease and a fifth of the population could have it at the same time.

 

Ultimately if you're fit and healthy with no existing respiratory conditions and catch it you should be fine. Should you have any complications or a completely unrelated issue that requires hospitalisation you're in trouble because the NHS is going to take a battering in all this.

 

So just in case wash your hands.

 

 

I'm pretty pessimistic about where this ends up, but for it to get to 80% total infection and 20% simultaneously it would need an absolute catalogue of utter failures.

 

Government will close schools ban mass gatherings and recommended working from home for anyone who can do it long before a situation like that could arise (id hope). 

Lionator

Lionator

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2 hours ago, Nod.E said:

What's the worst case scenario then? 650,000 UK cases sounds like a pretty big number doesn't it? That's still only 1% of the population. Can't imagine it has the potential to be worse than that?

 

Yeah it's probably going to cause deaths and panic in hospitals but don't we have plenty of that anyway? 

 

If you told me 1% of the population will win £1million each, I wouldn't get my hopes up. 

 

Even if I did end up being part of the 1%, I have an immune system, so pretty sure I'd be fine.

 

Aware this all sounds very selfish and yes there will be vulnerable people that perish. But then, a cold winter does that, too.

 

I'm not an expert so if somebody wants to tell me otherwise, please do. But ultimately most people will be absolutely fine. The main adverse impact of all this will come from all the irrational panic.

 

The main issue for organisations and governments is that they simply don’t know how this will play out as it’s a new virus. It does appear that it’s quite easily transmissible and that it does have a higher mortality rate than the seasonal flu (I’ve done a bit more research since a previous post on this). 
 

It appears to be having a different effect in different parts of the world. Wuhan has obviously been a disaster (although the tide has turned) and Iran is heading the same way, which is perhaps due to their terrible medical facilities. Whereas the rest of China, South Korea and Japan seem to be doing a good job of containing and minimising it. Italy on the other hand seems a completely out of control. But then is that because they’re testing it more than other countries? There are just so many unknowns. 
 

The best advice is to basically follow whatever the WHO instruct. They don’t seem to be in all out panic mode so we should trust them.

 

Likelihood is, if you are healthy and you do catch this then you’d be unlucky to end up as brown bread. However think of those who you may be inadvertently infecting who aren’t as healthy, in hospitals, in shops and in football stadiums. That’s why containment may need to happen at some point. 

WigstonWanderer

WigstonWanderer

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9 hours ago, Lionator said:

The main issue for organisations and governments is that they simply don’t know how this will play out as it’s a new virus. It does appear that it’s quite easily transmissible and that it does have a higher mortality rate than the seasonal flu (I’ve done a bit more research since a previous post on this). 
 

It appears to be having a different effect in different parts of the world. Wuhan has obviously been a disaster (although the tide has turned) and Iran is heading the same way, which is perhaps due to their terrible medical facilities. Whereas the rest of China, South Korea and Japan seem to be doing a good job of containing and minimising it. Italy on the other hand seems a completely out of control. But then is that because they’re testing it more than other countries? There are just so many unknowns. 
 

The best advice is to basically follow whatever the WHO instruct. They don’t seem to be in all out panic mode so we should trust them.

 

Likelihood is, if you are healthy and you do catch this then you’d be unlucky to end up as brown bread. However think of those who you may be inadvertently infecting who aren’t as healthy, in hospitals, in shops and in football stadiums. That’s why containment may need to happen at some point. 

One other characteristic of this virus is that it appears to remain active on hard surfaces for several days. Apparently the flu virus can only survive for hours.

 

Edit: Something else that I think is different is that there appears to be some evidence that infection does not necessarily confer future immunity. Presumably this would make a vaccine more difficult to develop.

 

Edit: England’s Chief Medical Officer saying the virus lasts up to 3 days on hard surfaces, so not as bad as the 9 days I’d read elsewhere.

Captain...

Captain...

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9 hours ago, martyn said:

I'm pretty pessimistic about where this ends up, but for it to get to 80% total infection and 20% simultaneously it would need an absolute catalogue of utter failures.

 

Government will close schools ban mass gatherings and recommended working from home for anyone who can do it long before a situation like that could arise (id hope). 

They are the Government's figures for worst case scenario.

 

We all hope it doesn't get to that.

Milo

Milo

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15 hours ago, Izzy said:

First time today that this has officially got real for me.

 

I've got a major client based in Dublin where I'm supposed to be working 6 days over the next 3 weeks. The most lucrative work I do and significant income to me.

 

They've proper shit themselves over this virus and told all 8000 employees to work from home and the work I've got planned in has all been postponed or cancelled.

 

Now into the delightful arguments around cancellation terms/fees/contracts and all that shit :rolleyes:

Good luck, mate. 
 

I’ve always struggled a bit with this - worst scenario is that clients don’t pay for late cancellation (regardless of contract), and you’re out of pocket with no chance of other work. 

Best case scenario is clients pay 100% of the invoice and rebook you at a later date...so you get paid twice!

 

I’ve had both the above and more usually met somewhere in the middle. 
 

Local authorities and huge corporations usually better, as they are so bureaucratic that one department has no idea what another department does. (So you should be ok) 😉 

 

 

Milo

Milo

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10 hours ago, The Syrup said:

Final flight landed at Exeter airport and the website has gone offline... looks like thats it for Flybe

Makes a change from Brexit getting the blame, tbh. 

StanSP

StanSP

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2 more cruise ships with thousands of passengers could be affected. One off coast of California and the other near Athens. Both had 1 passenger who were previously on the ship - one has now died and the other had tested positive for the virus. 

WigstonWanderer

WigstonWanderer

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Quite impressed with the Chief Medical Officer in his briefing to the Select Committee. Didn’t seem to be trying to hide anything, very logical, concise & clear. Quite willing to explain his reasoning in lay terms. Seemed trustworthy. I feel a little more relaxed after listening to him.

davieG

davieG

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UK health officials have moved into the second phase of their response to the coronavirus outbreak.

Prof Chris Whitty, the country's chief medical adviser, told MPs it was "highly likely" there was now some "community transmission" within the UK.

Measures will be ramped up to slow the spread of the virus and could involve "changes to society", he said.

Three new cases of the virus in Scotland have brought the total number of positive tests in the UK to 90.

Speaking to a committee of MPs, Prof Whitty said the country was now "mainly" in the delay phase of the government's four-part plan to tackle the virus, but was still following aspects of the first phase.

It is still being decided what measures will be taken in the delay phase - but the government has said they could include banning big events, closing schools and dissuading people from using public transport.

Prof Whitty said benefits of the delay phase included:

  • Pushing the peak of cases "further away from the winter pressures on the NHS" so that there was "more capacity to respond"
  • Buying time to allow the UK to improve its response or develop counter measures such as drugs, vaccines and diagnostics
  • There may be a seasonal element of the virus - so if the peak was delayed to spring or summer, the "natural rate" of transmission could be lower

On Wednesday the highest day-on-day rise in cases in the UK was reported, when the number of cases jumped from 51 to 87.

The UK's early response to the virus, which causes Covid-19, was based on the spread being controlled in China, with some minor outbreaks in other countries, Prof Whitty said.

But he added: "The chances of that happening are now very slim. Slim to zero."

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51749352

VLC86

VLC86

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Just now, TheUltimateWinner said:

Wish someone held my hand like steps 2 & 3 :(

Glad nobody holds mine like step 5 and 6, what’s that about.

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