Corona Virus

[KrefelderFox666]

The Government has handled this poorly from the start unfortunately. They are continuing down this hard avenue as they have to cover for early mistakes. However, people have done so well over the past 7 weeks, to then be told, even though rates are under control and the NHS is coping (relatively), nothing is changing. That is a piss take. And people will start becoming more ignorant to it making everything worse.

It's obvious there is a gradual lift over many months, but nothing is being lifted.

 

I go on a fair few runs and cycles down country lanes and the amount of people I see driving to parks to walk a dog or drive to the canal to sit and read is ridiculous and increasing by the day. People are going to start ignoring the Government more and more. Families are apart. Although more and more people are having garden/outdoor gatherings and today in particular.

 

Let's see what Boris pulls out the bag but I have little hope it will be in the best interest of the majority of people. By protecting the older and vulnerable (obviously not all deaths are old and vulnerable but the vast majority is), we are in danger of ruining the future of the next generations. It needs careful management and I feel the decisions made have not hit it.

 

We can all look back in 5/10 years and judge if the right steps were taken.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

To anybody still feeling that we shouldn't lift lockdown very soon:

 

We are now getting very close to 200 deaths per day. (Actual date of death, not numbers in media subject to backdating.)

 

Extrapolated over a year that's 73,000 deaths.

 

Alzheimer's claims around 69,000 lives every year in the UK.

 

Do we invest the same amount of money in to understanding Alzheimer's as we are losing by grinding the country to a halt? 

 

Imagine if Coronavirus didn't exist and the government announced the country will have to stop their work, stop their social lives and invest their efforts in to helping scientists in finding a cure for Alzheimer's

 

Meanwhile many people clapping for the NHS will have voted Tory. SANCTIMONY.

 

Not a perfect analogy, I'm aware. Just frustrates me that the same people apparently so worried about the well-being of the elderly and who would happily see the country remain in lockdown for the foreseeable won't have given a second thought to Alzheimer's.

 

There's no stopping the bloody thing anyway, clearly. We've given our health service the chance to breath. We will continue to do so by abstaining from large public gatherings. Now it's time to start getting closer to normal life.

If you are referencing deaths only in English hospitals as reported on first three days only then you are close to correct. (205 - 225)

 

but there remain further unreported English hospital deaths for these dates amounting to approx 40 or 50 so the actual daily deaths are nearer to 250.

 

and you haven’t taken into account care homes or the other U.K. nations ........

 

were your alzheimer numbers suitably selective ????

 

But, the basic point is that a few weeks ago the actual daily deaths for the nation as a whole (without care homes) was 700/800. Now it’s 250/280.  So we’ve come a fair way and I assume they don’t want to throw that away ....... 

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Yes, but we have social distancing now.

 

A quick look at Sweden and, domestically, the lack of supermarket workers dropping dead, should ease fears.

Our big problem is the capital and it’s transport infrastructure.......

[FoxesDeb]

Everyone who is complaining now about being asked to stay at home for their own sake needs to be watching the VE day coverage and realise how lucky they are 

[Guest Markyblue]

16 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If you are referencing deaths only in English hospitals as reported on first three days only then you are close to correct. (205 - 225)

 

but there remain further unreported English hospital deaths for these dates amounting to approx 40 or 50 so the actual daily deaths are nearer to 250.

 

and you haven’t taken into account care homes or the other U.K. nations ........

 

were your alzheimer numbers suitably selective ????

 

But, the basic point is that a few weeks ago the actual daily deaths for the nation as a whole (without care homes) was 700/800. Now it’s 250/280.  So we’ve come a fair way and I assume they don’t want to throw that away ....... 

Some scientists are saying outside of hospitals and care homes the virus really isn't spreading. 

[brucey]

13 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Some scientists are saying outside of hospitals and care homes the virus really isn't spreading. 

Essentially we’ve had a second ‘care home wave’ that’s merged into the back end of the first main wave.

 

My concern is how long the active cases take to resolve - weeks rather than days generally, so people who do get admitted take up a bed for a lot longer than for most other conditions including influenza.

 

The second wave should have a slower upslope than the first, due to partial immunity and decreased socialisation. However the second wave won’t start form zero as it will be superimposed on the tail end of this one. I expect it will be at least mid July before we might need to consider locking down again.

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

Some scientists are saying outside of hospitals and care homes the virus really isn't spreading. 

Given that we have new cases every day, are they all in hospitals and care homes?  
 

the study of 20k households indicated a daily infection rate across the U.K. of 20k .... that’s quite low considering that we are actually testing  positive approx 5k of them so the community rate must indeed be on the low side.  But if there are 20k new cases each day, that should translate to 2k ish admissions to hospital ...... are we seeing that ?  No, we are seeing  approx 1000 admissions.   on the basis that 1 in 10 symptomatic cases requires hospital admission......... the numbers aren’t quite stacking up ........ 

[cambridgefox]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

Will more people be up in arms if we do stay in lockdown, or if measures to ease the lockdown are introduced? I feel that those angry about deaths have a louder voice than those angry about staying indoors. Valid or not.

 

With Wales now confirming lockdown for 3 further weeks, if we follow the same path I imagine a contributing factor to that decision making will be caution.

 

Not caution as regards the health of the population. Caution in that given that they're already facing criticism, the government may elect to give in to pressure in order to save face. If they were to lift measures and there was a spike, small or not, it would be very damaging for the government.

End of June until lockdown finishes.

Sundays announcement will be similar to Wales.

Businesses open and shops if they can prove certain measures.eg entry exit points.

schools July.

Hoping my info is correct,but if you look back I announced the lockdown when others were thinking not.

Got someone on the inside 😂

 

Schools start of July

Edited 8 May 2020 by cambridgefox

[Costock_Fox]

8 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

End of June until lockdown finishes.

Sundays announcement will be similar to Wales.

Businesses open and shops if they can prove certain measures.eg entry exit points.

schools July.

Hoping my info is correct,but if you look back I announced the lockdown when others were thinking not.

Got someone on the inside 😂

 

Schools start of July

That’s different to what trade unions have been told apparently re the end of the lockdown.

[cambridgefox]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

That’s different to what trade unions have been told apparently re the end of the lockdown.

We shall see.This source is from the CBI.Different from my original information giver,but everything she has said so far has been correct.

Will speak a week on Saturday for an update.

[Costock_Fox]

2 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

We shall see.This source is from the CBI.Different from my original information giver,but everything she has said so far has been correct.

Will speak a week on Saturday for an update.

Yeah no idea how accurate my info is to be fair but a relative is a rep for CWU and that’s what has been communicated to them.

 

From 18th or something like that outdoor sports can be played in groups of 4 as long as you socially distance, you can see 4 people from another household etc. 

[st albans fox]

16 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

End of June until lockdown finishes.

Sundays announcement will be similar to Wales.

Businesses open and shops if they can prove certain measures.eg entry exit points.

schools July.

Hoping my info is correct,but if you look back I announced the lockdown when others were thinking not.

Got someone on the inside 😂

 

Schools start of July

That’s a lot different to Wales ! 
 

And business’ are already open if they can manage social distancing ......

 

and ‘end of June until lockdown finishes’ - what does that mean ?  vague .......

 

not dissing your info but just pointing out some discrepancies....

[Nuge]

22 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

End of June until lockdown finishes.

Sundays announcement will be similar to Wales.

Businesses open and shops if they can prove certain measures.eg entry exit points.

schools July.

Hoping my info is correct,but if you look back I announced the lockdown when others were thinking not.

Got someone on the inside 😂

 

Schools start of July

Don’t schools close for summer mid July? Seems strange to open just for a few weeks.., 

[foxile5]

2 minutes ago, Nuge said:

Don’t schools close for summer mid July? Seems strange to open just for a few weeks.., 

Transition from primary to secondary and a-level programmes would be the thinking. 

[cambridgefox]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

That’s a lot different to Wales ! 
 

And business’ are already open if they can manage social distancing ......

 

and ‘end of June until lockdown finishes’ - what does that mean ?  vague .......

 

not dissing your info but just pointing out some discrepancies....

Ok, I was 100% correct at the start.Fact.My info was given to me by someone you wouldn’t question.

Not posted a thing since and I know why now.Cant be arsed with the questioning 

There was Wales,then an additional piece about businesses eg shops

were John Lewis open today ?

No,but 10 stores are preparing ,one of them Cambridge.

 

 

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

Ok, I was 100% correct at the start.Fact.My info was given to me by someone you wouldn’t question.

Not posted a thing since and I know why now.Cant be arsed with the questioning 

There was Wales,then an additional piece about businesses eg shops

were John Lewis open today ?

No,but 10 stores are preparing ,one of them Cambridge.

I’m not dissing your info - just saying that it seems a bit more progressive than we’re expecting for next week  ......... could some of it be for the week after and some Chinese whispers occurring ?  

 

 

[lildave3]

1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said:

Everyone who is complaining now about being asked to stay at home for their own sake needs to be watching the VE day coverage and realise how lucky they are 

Yeah i’m on your side Deb but this is a terrible argument. 

[cambridgefox]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m not dissing your info - just saying that it seems a bit more progressive than we’re expecting for next week  ......... could some of it be for the week after and some Chinese whispers occurring ?  

 

 

Just been told they are pushing for businesses to open in a big way.

She is actually calling Sunday so will ask again ( I’m a bit pissed so wasn’t listening 100%)

[UniFox21]

Infuriating to see street parties going on with people mixing and ignoring social distancing. We've been isolating for 7 weeks now and people are risking all of that progress for a few drinks. 

[foxile5]

9 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

Yeah i’m on your side Deb but this is a terrible argument. 

It's funny how everyone gets moisty eyed over the blitz spirit and a stiff upper lip but folk can't hack being at home for a bit during our ultra connected age. 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, cambridgefox said:

Just been told they are pushing for businesses to open in a big way.

She is actually calling Sunday so will ask again ( I’m a bit pissed so wasn’t listening 100%)

I get the business side (the reality being that business’ away from retail and hospitality weren’t told to shut anyway). I expect that point to be made by boris - that people should return to work if social distancing allows.  
 

That gives me an issue as my staff will expect us to reopen but if large retail remains closed then there is no point, especially if govt is paying 80% of their wages ! 

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, foxile5 said:

It's funny how everyone gets moisty eyed over the blitz spirit and a stiff upper lip but folk can't hack being at home for a bit during our ultra connected age. 

the reason is because of a different time and a difference in peoples attitudes. In those days people had a collective spirit and they stuck together. Today it's everyone for them selves and i'm alright pull the ladder up. Blame Thatcher. We get moisty eyed because deep down we all hanker for days gone by.

[bovril]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

the reason is because of a different time and a difference in peoples attitudes. In those days people had a collective spirit and they stuck together. Today it's everyone for them selves and i'm alright pull the ladder up. Blame Thatcher. We get moisty eyed because deep down we all hanker for days gone by.

From what I've read there was plenty of every-man-for-himself cvntishness during the blitz, too. 

[Webbo]

Circumstances change, people are always the same.

[lildave3]

12 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

It's funny how everyone gets moisty eyed over the blitz spirit and a stiff upper lip but folk can't hack being at home for a bit during our ultra connected age. 

The two things aren’t related in any way. I don’t really get involved with anything war related and love being at home - I hope the lockdown stays for as long as possible - but I have no idea why the two are being compared. 
 

One was four generations ago and one is right now.