Corona Virus

[Leicester_Loyal]

10 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

You do know teachers are still working, right? 

 

Did a teacher sleep with your wife or something?

 

As a teacher, I've also worked full time since the start of the virus. 50% of my days are in school, and 50% of them I'm working from home. During school hours, I'm working with groups of up to 15 children, without any protection. That's alright for me though - I'm young, and probably fairly virus proof.

 

I think "guaranteeing safety" obviously isn't possible, and probably shouldn't be taken literally. However, there also needs to be reasonable measures in place to make sure there's an adequate level of safety - just as all employers have had to do. I actually think the current measures that my school have in place for return probably does have an adequate level of safety (though that is thanks to my school, NOT from the unhelp information from the Government), as it currently stands. However, if the Government want all children to return, then I don't see how it's possible to do so and maintain a reasonably safe environment.

 

People saying that it's just "teachers feeling special" is just odd. Is the reason hairdressers aren't open because they're being precious fairies as well?

 

Edit: Oh, I'd like to add that I also voluntarily worked through my holidays (for free) so I could help look after the children of key workers. But yeah, precious, lazy teachers, and all that jazz.

I don't think teachers are lazy, nor special. But safety cannot be guaranteed (if it does mean it literally) for any of us. All we can do is put measures in place to try and reduce the risk.

[Guest Markyblue]

Just now, UniFox21 said:

Would love it if you could point me in the direction of that thread. When you find it, let me and most of the posters on this thread know, cheers. 

Ive just seen its gone, why.?

[Mike Oxlong]

6 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Boris has ordered the closure of the Cummings out thread on here now, 

Yeah, but only coz he was told to by Cummings 

[kingfox]

6 minutes ago, Markyblue said:

And there is now a dedicated cummings thread, try using it. 

Which got moved into here 

[Leicester_Loyal]

3 hours ago, Tuna said:

 

Is that essential? Surely the driver should be sacked immediately?

 

Unless he was on route to ensure his young child was looked after of course

[Guest Markyblue]

1 minute ago, kingfox said:

Which got moved into here 

Yes just noticed,  my question is why.

[UniFox21]

I think the schools decision is too early. We aren't allowed to gather in groups now, yet they're allowing groups of young kids with little understanding of social distancing to be brought together in enclosed spaces. 

[kingfox]

Delete.

Edited 24 May 2020 by kingfox

[zorro en españa]

The choreography occurring here could be interesting.

 

Yesterday - give out the initial message and then come in last night with new revelations after Practically all of the Cabinet support the message.

 

Now - despite the claim there are two further “sightings” BJ has felt necessary to represent his govt in the presser and has defended the message.

 

Can you imagine tonight - video evidence supporting the Barnard Castle visit and/ or the 19 April excursion back to Durham comes to light.  Surely the Press have something more than hearsay - if so, both of them are toast.

 

Let’s see.

[Unabomber]

2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Is that essential? Surely the driver should be sacked immediately?

 

Unless he was on route to ensure his young child was looked after of course

If that’s his job he can’t do it from home can he

[Rain King]

Just now, UniFox21 said:

I think the schools decision is too early. We aren't allowed to gather in groups now, yet they're allowing groups of young kids with little understanding of social distancing to be brought together in enclosed spaces. 

My 6 year old is SEN in need of constant comforting from his fantastic teacher. He is terrified of the virus. We'll be keeping him home I'm pretty sure.

[Costock_Fox]

3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Is that essential? Surely the driver should be sacked immediately?

 

Unless he was on route to ensure his young child was looked after of course

He’s gone to work mate it’s fine.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Is that essential? Surely the driver should be sacked immediately?

 

Unless he was on route to ensure his young child was looked after of course

 It not sure that’s a young child he has with him...

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 minute ago, Unabomber said:

If that’s his job he can’t do it from home can he

 

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

He’s gone to work mate it’s fine.

Just checking, thanks guys

[Charl91]

15 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Not all teachers, that's for damn sure. My 7 y/o nephew is currently sat at home doing **** all because he can't get the shite school to send him any work out, even after emailing them 4 times. 

 

If it shouldn't be taken literally then it shouldn't be said. The unions have said we need guaranteed safety reeeeeee. 

 

And the government don't want all children to return do they ffs.

 

Boris Johnson says he believes the country is in position to move to phase two of the lockdown easing of restrictions, which would see Reception, Year One and Year Six pupils return to school from 1 June.

 

The reason people think teachers think they're special is because that's exactly how they are acting. If you're working in a public job, you should be following government advice and getting ready to reopen. Don't see the sodding bin men crying about getting their job done do you.

Ok, clearly you're not particularly knowledgeable on the subject, so I will educate you  (free of charge! The public purse doesn't even pay for me on a Sunday!).

 

• The Government do want all children to return soon. They initially want those 3 classes to return first, but would like for all classes to return for at least a month before the end of term. Which makes it only a few weeks after the initial classes return. Those initial 3 classes? Yes, we can just about make provision to cope with them and ensure reasonable safety precautions. Every class? Nope, can't be done.

 

• Most schools are sending work, and are setting work weekly. I'm sorry your Nephew hasn't received any, but that's not my experience from most schools. Unless, of course, you're one of those parents emailing the teachers asking individual personalised learning for every child. My own experience of teachers (which, I presume is probably more extensive than "my family member knows one") is that most of them are already going out of their way to do everything they can to continue the education of the children.

 

• Bin men, and other public sector jobs, are able to take precautions to ensure reasonable safety. Partly because they're adults, and partly because they don't need to work with large groups of people. Some schools will also be able to make reasonable precautions to protect their staff, in which case that's fine - they can go to work. If your employer can't make reasonable precautions to ensure safety though (and I mean reasonable, not absolute safety), then you shouldn't have to go into work. That's not my line, by the way, that was one of the Government lines from previous briefings.

 

• "Guaranteed safety reeeeeee". Ah ok, I see the level of maturity we're dealing with here. Luckily I teach small children, so this is my level! Yes, I don't believe the unions are being genuine when they say "guaranteed safety", though if you take everything literally I imagine you've had a difficult life. But it's the Unions job to ensure the safety of their workers (if they didn't, then I'd be wondering why I pay union fees), and personally I believe that's their 'starting point' in the negotiations to try and ensure reasonable protection for teachers. If they didn't take a tough stance, then the Gov. would bend teachers over even more. That's the job of unions.

 

Edited 24 May 2020 by Charl91

[Freeman's Wharfer]

Has a Prime Minister ever stood in front of the nation and lost such credibility in one go?

 

He’s screwed up from start to finish and if you can’t see that then you never will and are most likely letting political allegiance cloud your judgement. Johnson needs to go now - genuinely don’t think anyone could do a worse job even stepping in mid-pandemic.

[Innovindil]

3 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

make reasonable precautions to protect their staff, in which case that's fine - they can go to work

That's literally the only bit you needed to post.

 

Cheers for getting back to work. 

[Charl91]

14 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

I don't think teachers are lazy, nor special. But safety cannot be guaranteed (if it does mean it literally) for any of us. All we can do is put measures in place to try and reduce the risk.

No, and I agree with that. I think it would be unreasonable and impossible to ask for guaranteed safety. But I think there needs to be discussion around what's a "sensible" level of risk.

 

It has to be a balancing act. Obviously the Unions are going to say one thing, the Government will say the opposite, and then something in the middle will eventually be agreed. 

[Charl91]

1 minute ago, Innovindil said:

That's literally the only bit you needed to post.

 

Cheers for getting back to work. 

I've not stopped work. 'Getting back' would imply that work has ceased at some point. But you're welcome.  

 

If you need anything else clearing up for you, then let me know.

[surrifox]

12 minutes ago, zorro en españa said:

The choreography occurring here could be interesting.

 

Yesterday - give out the initial message and then come in last night with new revelations after Practically all of the Cabinet support the message.

 

Now - despite the claim there are two further “sightings” BJ has felt necessary to represent his govt in the presser and has defended the message.

 

Can you imagine tonight - video evidence supporting the Barnard Castle visit and/ or the 19 April excursion back to Durham comes to light.  Surely the Press have something more than hearsay - if so, both of them are toast.

 

Let’s see.

Phone records all the way up the A1

[martyn]

8 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Has a Prime Minister ever stood in front of the nation and lost such credibility in one go?

 

He’s screwed up from start to finish and if you can’t see that then you never will and are most likely letting political allegiance cloud your judgement. Johnson needs to go now - genuinely don’t think anyone could do a worse job even stepping in mid-pandemic.

Ive voted Conservative in 4 of the 5 elections ive been able to vote in. So not an allegiance as such, but i generally tend towards Conservative ideology. 

 

This bunch of charlatans in cabinet headed by this absolute buffoon are a total disgrace. 

Edited 24 May 2020 by martyn

[Innovindil]

1 minute ago, Charl91 said:

I've not stopped work. 'Getting back' would imply that work has ceased at some point. But you're welcome.  

 

If you need anything else clearing up for you, then let me know.

Was more of a general thanking of teachers, rather than specifically you.

 

Now all we need is for all the decent hardworking teachers you know to infect the shitshow that my brother is dealing with and we're all set. 

[The whole world smiles]

Not sure what the mods are up to here? If we are not supposed to talk politics in here, why was the sperate thread devoted to the current covid related political row deleted?

[Mark]

Just now, The whole world smiles said:

Not sure what the mods are up to here? If we are not supposed to talk politics in here, why was the sperate thread devoted to the current covid related political row deleted?

Cummings was being discussed in both topics at the same time, was pointless having both

[FoxesDeb]

7 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

I've not stopped work. 'Getting back' would imply that work has ceased at some point. But you're welcome.  

 

If you need anything else clearing up for you, then let me know.

I wish you were my daughter's teacher, she's 13 and we've really struggled to get any work for her from the school. Mind you her Home Ec teacher is pretty good,, he's made videos for them to follow. It's just a shame it's meant we've needed to go shopping more often than we would have! 

Edited 24 May 2020 by FoxesDeb