Man City banned from Europe !

[Guest Cujek]

No way they get banned. 

 

They appeal it it gets over turned then they go to court over fair play and it gets binned. 

 

This then allows big clubs to carry on as they like, without thinly veiled attempts to hide what they are doing.

 

If anyone for example thinks PSG can afford to pay Mbappe 41 million a year (340k a week) by just using the money the club has earnt, or Liverpool can go out and the world's most expensive defender then goal keeper, then they are an idiot. 

 

Or that Real Madrid isn't funded by the Spanish government, or Barcelona isn't funded by Basque country money.

 

Chelsea been funded by Roman for years he basically started it. 

 

Wolves, Leeds, Bournemouth, Arsenal, Man UTD, all funded by foreigners with more money than sense

 

Hell even we are funded by the Thailand Royal family Best mates. 

 

 

If man City get banned then what about everyone else who does the same thing? 

 

You either ban everyone or no one, the fair play needs scraping in its current form, it does nothing to even the playing field and is pointless, as is this ban. 

[Guest]

I think any appeal is going to take time. I can't see it being sorted before the summer signing session. If that's the case nobody is going to join and a lot of top players are going to push to leave. Maybe Pep too. Man City may be a finished entity.

 

Do they have to return their tropies from last season (like Saracens) for cheating?

[st albans fox]

clarity needed

 

if Man City appeal - as they will, then its normal for the punishment to be suspended pending the hearing. Chelsea decided not to appeal the first window of their ban. So my assumption is that any ban from the CL will not begin until season 21/22.

 

there may be nuances I’ve missed though ....... hearing has to be heard and adjudicated on before end August when the CL draw takes place ..... if it isn’t then surely they have to be allowed to compete ??  

[st albans fox]

28 minutes ago, FIF said:

I think any appeal is going to take time. I can't see it being sorted before the summer signing session. If that's the case nobody is going to join and a lot of top players are going to push to leave. Maybe Pep too. Man City may be a finished entity.

 

Do they have to return their tropies from last season (like Saracens) for cheating?

Have they ??

[Ricey]

I really hope it’s sorted out before the end of the season. It’s going to be really unfair on the team finishing 5th not knowing whether they are in the Champions League going into the summer transfer window,

[L3n9a]

26 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

clarity needed

 

if Man City appeal - as they will, then its normal for the punishment to be suspended pending the hearing. Chelsea decided not to appeal the first window of their ban. So my assumption is that any ban from the CL will not begin until season 21/22.

 

there may be nuances I’ve missed though ....... hearing has to be heard and adjudicated on before end August when the CL draw takes place ..... if it isn’t then surely they have to be allowed to compete ??  

It’s already been confirmed the case is being fast tracked as CAS will do all that is possible to meet competition deadlines & the leaked emails between Man City officials, pretty much have them dead to rights. 

[foxy boxing]

let's be honest UEFA would never ever dream of banning real Madrid or Barcelona, it's because Man City have pumped in soo much money sooo quickly to get to where they are now so they can compete to at least with the big European heavyweights. if the ban sticks you would think Pep will just walk away and probably alot of their players, no one there wants to be out of playing in Europe for two years, it would seem like an eternity for Man City. it needs to be a level playing field in Europe . Man City are by no means the only club giulty of financial doping. UEFA needs to be fair and it needs to be consistent with all clubs in EUrope.

[ALC Fox]

14 hours ago, Sly said:

This could get really, really messy. 
 

I was just listening to TalkSport on the way home and someone made a valid point. 
 

Do they appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), or the European Court of Justice.

 

Is Financial Fair Play (FFP) even legally binding, or is it restrictive of trade under European law. 
 

Who are the corrupt ones? UEFA for trying to run a closed shop and putting up massive barriers for entry into a sport; that gives the established massive amounts of cash. Or the clubs trying to bend the rules to get around those barriers? 
 

What impact does Brexit have on this?!? 
 

This could run for years and years and years. No legal president so we’re in uncharted water. 
 

This could be the downfall of UEFA and be the beginning of the end for them. If Manchester decide to pursue setting up an alternative competition with those that didn’t qualify for example?

 

Does this have any impact on the UEFA European Championship? 
 

Does 5th get the spot, or do UEFA just give it to someone as a wild card? 

 

This is the thing. FFP massively benefits the already established elite as the elite get most of the TV money and commercial revenue. How can any club have ambitions to join the elite without being bankrolled by multi-billionaires and spending their owners' personal wealth for a bit?

 

We don't watch a sport, we watch an entertainment show.

[les-tah]

i always wondered how man city balanced their books..

 

They are not the biggest club in their city and they dont even have that many fans outside of the city. it never did really add up

Edited 15 February 2020 by les-tah

[MPH]

 

 

Any appeal will probably not be concluded before the start of next seasons champions league so i’d imagine a mass exodus of players either permanently or  most likely on loan for a season as i don’t imagine they’d want to see all their stars be sold if there is a possibility of the ban being just one season.

 

 

 

its all very interesting, really!

[MPH]

22 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

This is the thing. FFP massively benefits the already established elite as the elite get most of the TV money and commercial revenue. How can any club have ambitions to join the elite without being bankrolled by multi-billionaires and spending their owners' personal wealth for a bit?

 

We don't watch a sport, we watch an entertainment show.

 

 

This has what’s got Man city in trouble, actually- Their wealthy owners spending their own cash.

 

 

It really doesn’t matter how wealthy owners are - it matters how greedy they are and wether they want to make huge financial gain from a club they own.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, L3n9a said:

It’s already been confirmed the case is being fast tracked as CAS will do all that is possible to meet competition deadlines & the leaked emails between Man City officials, pretty much have them dead to rights. 

I’m not sure that this is true ?  I think Man City have 3 months to get their appeal in - then CAS have to look at the case - it’s in Man City’s interest to delay this till 21/22 - I am predicting now that unless Man City change their mind and decide to only appeal year 2 ban, they will be playing in next seasons competition....

[The whole world smiles]

48 minutes ago, les-tah said:

i always wondered how man city balanced their books..

 

They are not the biggest club in their city and they dont even have that many fans outside of the city. it never did really add up

They are gaming the system, like a lot of clubs probably including ourselves. Seems a bit unfair that the buck stops with them but hey ho not going to lose any sleep over it.

Edited 15 February 2020 by The whole world smiles

[reynard]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m not sure that this is true ?  I think Man City have 3 months to get their appeal in - then CAS have to look at the case - it’s in Man City’s interest to delay this till 21/22 - I am predicting now that unless Man City change their mind and decide to only appeal year 2 ban, they will be playing in next seasons competition....

Pretty sure you are correct. I can't see any way this will be upheld. They will throw a lot of money at it and have more of it than UEFA. I also think there is something in the severity of the punishment that is already allowing for a downgrading of it. It is easy to see a compromise here of the 2 seasons being changed to a suspended sentence or merely dropped and the quite substantial fine remaining in place.

[Nalis]

Fvckin hate all of the opposition fans of the top 6 last season coming out of the woodwork slating Man City with the 'back where you belong' 'no fans' comments. Before the investment they were probably in that Newcastle / Leeds / Villa band of big but recently unsuccessful clubs, or at the very least in the Sunderland bracket of big clubs, not like they are RB Leipzig or something ffs.

[urban.spaceman]

Mahrez spotted at Etihad Training Ground this morning:

 

[mazarron fox]

4 hours ago, Cujek said:

No way they get banned. 

 

They appeal it it gets over turned then they go to court over fair play and it gets binned. 

 

This then allows big clubs to carry on as they like, without thinly veiled attempts to hide what they are doing.

 

If anyone for example thinks PSG can afford to pay Mbappe 41 million a year (340k a week) by just using the money the club has earnt, or Liverpool can go out and the world's most expensive defender then goal keeper, then they are an idiot. 

 

Or that Real Madrid isn't funded by the Spanish government, or Barcelona isn't funded by Basque country money.

 

Chelsea been funded by Roman for years he basically started it. 

 

Wolves, Leeds, Bournemouth, Arsenal, Man UTD, all funded by foreigners with more money than sense

 

Hell even we are funded by the Thailand Royal family Best mates. 

 

 

If man City get banned then what about everyone else who does the same thing? 

 

You either ban everyone or no one, the fair play needs scraping in its current form, it does nothing to even the playing field and is pointless, as is this ban. 

Sorry mate but you don’t know what you are talking about this will stick they need to set an example next is PSG 

[MC Prussian]

I'm not surprised they took aim at Manchester City. Should I be happy about the verdict? Probably.

 

To the ones comparing us evading FFP regulations and them now breaching the rules: We've learnt from it, haven't done anything wrong ever since. and are now operating within our means, we don't tend to buy success, we want to nurture it. It may take a bit longer, but it'll be more worthwhile.

Instead of dishing out crazy money on acquiring top talent, our owners rather focus on establishing a great new training ground. And our Academy seems to bring up more and more talent also.

 

The irony here is that I remember a time when Manchester City were once relegated due to financial problems and had to bide their time in the 3rd tier even.

One would think they'd had learned from those mistakes and wouldn't repeat them.

 

I still quite like them as a club, more so than most of the "Top Clubs" in the league, I cheered them on when Agüero put that one past QPR a few years ago, but this seems to be just right. Justice done.

Edited 15 February 2020 by MC Prussian

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

18 hours ago, Parafox said:

Why ?

I assume you know why we went into administration?

FFP and fiddling the books is pretty much the same, in my view.

Without the financial input of our fantastic owners we'd be in the shit for years with a debt that would have brought us down. ManC have been duplicitous and suspect for a few years and deserve a punishment. I don't believe the 2 year ban will happen because they generate so much income for the PL and the CL. However, I'm uncomfortable with the snide shit throwing remarks towards a football club when, if it were us, we'd hate it. It's their problem. Opinions change nothing. I wouldn't want to be in their position so I have no animosity. Maybe they had it coming but I come back to the fact, how would we feel if it was us?

Not comparable. finan

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

Man City broke the rules and therefore should be punished. However, FFP is a scam that both protects the footballing establishment and hinder innovative clubs. 

FFP is the primary reason why our ‘stars’ will begin to leave, most probably to Man United!!!! How much debt have they accrued?

 

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

Not comparable. finan

Degree may not be the same, the incompetence and dubious behaviour were concerning. To dismiss our past, is to set us up for the same at point in the future.

We were wrong, Man City are (More) wrong. Dismissing an argument without justification is daft.

As stated, we have learnt our lesson and are blessed with our current owners, but history can teach and we should continue to listen.

[Finnegan]

This will be an unpopular opinion but I'm on Man City's side and I hope they beat it. 

 

If FIFA want to impose a universal salary cap and actually tackle the money in the sport, I'm down with that. If FIFA want a seasonal spending budget for all teams, I'm down with that. 

 

But FFP is a con, United, Real, Barca and PSG all spend excessively on players and nobody bats an eyelid. They'll attack Man City largely for political reasons and because they don't like a formerly little club gatecrashing the party. 

 

Man City are a very intelligently run business, they recruit sensibly at all levels, from directors to coaches to academy staff. They spend wisely on players, never being held to ransom over cost. Despite their vast resources, their record signing is 65m or there or there abouts when other clubs have spent nearly three times that. 

 

Have they bought success? Obviously but then so have all the clubs in the champions league. I'd much rather see United punished for absolutely pissing away some half a billion on complete trash while their owners leech from the club with no direction at all. Man City are the model the other big boys should be following, tnot tearing them down. 

 

I'd rather a world without clubs like Man City, don't get me wrong, I'd rather a world without the out of control finances of football but either tackle all of them or leave MC alone imo. 

Edited 15 February 2020 by Finnegan

[David Hankey]

6 hours ago, Markyblue said:

And an ungrateful twat he slagged us off and thought he was better than the club we all support, f..k him.

Well, haven't you done that at some point in your life?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Have they ??

No, apparently they've hidden them but because they refused they have been relegated for next season.

[LCFCSOULBOY]

6 hours ago, Cujek said:

No way they get banned. 

 

They appeal it it gets over turned then they go to court over fair play and it gets binned. 

 

This then allows big clubs to carry on as they like, without thinly veiled attempts to hide what they are doing.

 

If anyone for example thinks PSG can afford to pay Mbappe 41 million a year (340k a week) by just using the money the club has earnt, or Liverpool can go out and the world's most expensive defender then goal keeper, then they are an idiot. 

 

Or that Real Madrid isn't funded by the Spanish government, or Barcelona isn't funded by Basque country money.

 

Chelsea been funded by Roman for years he basically started it. 

 

Wolves, Leeds, Bournemouth, Arsenal, Man UTD, all funded by foreigners with more money than sense

 

Hell even we are funded by the Thailand Royal family Best mates. 

 

 

If man City get banned then what about everyone else who does the same thing? 

 

You either ban everyone or no one, the fair play needs scraping in its current form, it does nothing to even the playing field and is pointless, as is this ban. 

I wouldn't bet on them not winning their appeal. Will throw $60 million fine at UEFA and all will be forgiven. Big clubs will always win. Chelsea with their ban this year, also Barcelona a few years ago. If it was Leicester we would get a ban and have points deducted on top.