Bluearmyfox28 Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 2 hours ago, Fightforever said: We need to sell them first. I mendy has left on a free but bar that we have to actually find someone to buy them. With the low fee’s we will demand for these lads to simply get rid of the deadwood, I think we will see the majority cleared out this summer. Especially with the majority of clubs on strict budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 7 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: One of my pet hates is how people always refer to Southampton. As you have said Dortmund and Ajax sustain their success on this model. Tottenham are only in the position they are in too, due to selling a few key players to Madrid. I dont think you can argue that both dortmund and ajax wouldnt be better off if they kept their star players. Same with spurs and bale/modric. Selling clubs can never challenge consistently at the highest level, there is always a drop off period associated with this model. Im sure if you asked the people running these selling clubs they would much rather hold onto their star players than sell them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 In a vacuum I think Chilwell should bring in more than 50 million. But if we do sign Tagliafico as his replacement, the key number is the delta between the two fees. If we sell for 25-30 million more than we buy I don't mind letting Chilwell go for 50, because Tagliafico is realistically a 35-40 million dollar player if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucashm Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 2 minutes ago, honeybradger said: I dont think you can argue that both dortmund and ajax wouldnt be better off if they kept their star players. Same with spurs and bale/modric. Selling clubs can never challenge consistently at the highest level, there is always a drop off period associated with this model. Im sure if you asked the people running these selling clubs they would much rather hold onto their star players than sell them. Atletico Madrid sell their players on a regular basis, but keep challenging consistently, i think they are definitely a model to aspire for you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lucashm said: Atletico Madrid sell their players on a regular basis, but keep challenging consistently, i think they are definitely a model to aspire for you guys Again im sure they would have preferred to keep the likes of aguero, torres, rodri etc. Edited 21 August 2020 by honeybradger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 We may well have been expecting £60M, and so it's understandable that some are a bit disappointed by the £50M fee. But, come on now. Put the shoe on the other foot. Knowing what we do about Chilwell, and if you imagine yourself as a Chelsea fan. Are you happy with your new £50M signing? He's a decent young left back. Came through the academy, yes, but he's good and that's about it. Nothing special. Certainly not FIFTY MILLION POUNDS worth of footballer. I expect us to re-invest and improve the team as we have consistently done over the past couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucashm Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 Just now, honeybradger said: Again im sure they would have rathered to keep the likes of aguero, torres, rodri etc. Well, they have actually reached a point where most of their top players want to stay, players like Saul and Koke. If this was 2012/2013 i guarantee this wouldn´t be the case, and they only got to the point they are now, by selling high and buying adequate replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucashm Posted 21 August 2020 Share Posted 21 August 2020 1 minute ago, Nod.E said: We may well have been expecting £60M, and so it's understandable that some are a bit disappointed by the £50M fee. But, come on now. Put the shoe on the other foot. Knowing what we do about Chilwell, and if you imagine yourself as a Chelsea fan. Are you happy with your new £50M signing? He's a decent young left back. Came through the academy, yes, but he's good and that's about it. Nothing special. Certainly not FIFTY MILLION POUNDS worth of footballer. I expect us to re-invest and improve the team as we have consistently done over the past couple of years. I am a chelsea fan and very happy with Chilwell. He was the player Lampard wanted the most and i rate him quite highly, so no complaints from my side 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 2 minutes ago, honeybradger said: Again im sure they would have rathered to keep the likes of aguero, torres, rodri etc. But you can't keep hold of players that don't want to stay, so it's a moot point. The fact is they sell these players and yet find a way to still challenge by investing their proceeds smartly. We'll never be United or Liverpool, just as Athletico will never be Barca or Real. That's just life and the lay of the land. You work with what you've got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 1 minute ago, lucashm said: I am a chelsea fan and very happy with Chilwell. He was the player Lampard wanted the most and i rate him quite highly, so no complaints from my side You haven't watched him for a full season. Watch out for his 360 turns, failure to pick simple passes, and dribbling the ball out of play unopposed and you'll soon see what I mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, lucashm said: Well, they have actually reached a point where most of their top players want to stay, players like Saul and Koke. If this was 2012/2013 i guarantee this wouldn´t be the case, and they only got to the point they are now, by selling high and buying adequate replacements. Rodri and griezmann left to man city and barca last year, lucas hernandez to bayern although that was probably a good deal for athleti. Im just saying that if youre a selling club then it sets a precedent for all your best players wanting to leave, if you look at the players these big selling clubs have had in 3-4 season windows, if they had just held onto them they could have been challenging the likes of real, barca, bayern but instead those 3 are comfortably winning titles as they can hold onto their best players. I understand that the selling model is good for growing a club but at some point it has to stop as it's a very limited model in terms of how succesful it can be. For example imagine if liverpool had sold mane and salah at the end of 17/18 to build up the rest of their squad, i also think athletico madrid could have won la liga if they still had griezmann and rodri this year. Edited 22 August 2020 by honeybradger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucashm Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 2 minutes ago, honeybradger said: Rodri and griezmann left to man city and barca last year, lucas hernandez to bayern although that was probably a good deal for athleti. Im just saying that if youre a selling club then it sets a precedent for all your best players wanting to leave, if you look at the players these big selling clubs have had in 3-4 season windows, if they had just held onto them they could have been challenging the likes of real, barca, bayern but instead those 3 are comfortably winning titles as they can hold onto their best players. I understand that the selling model is good for growing a club but at some point it has to stop as it's a very limited model in terms of how succesful it can be. Chelsea lost Hazard and Courtois to Real, Liverpool lost Coutinho to Barça, City lost Sané to Bayern, Bayern lost Kroos to Madrid years ago. Selling players is simply part of the business, but as long as you re-invest that money wisely, you can challenge consistently long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 Tis what it is.. £40m+ is good enough - cost us nothing (to buy) and he was a decent player for us. Time to move on for him - wish him all the best and *fingers crossed* we can replace him for an adequate 'cheaper' replacement. Good luck Ben xx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 22 August 2020 Author Share Posted 22 August 2020 29 minutes ago, Nod.E said: You haven't watched him for a full season. Watch out for his 360 turns, failure to pick simple passes, and dribbling the ball out of play unopposed and you'll soon see what I mean. He’s 23. He’s already one of the best left backs in England. He’s going to develop into one of the best at Chelsea. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 40 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: One of my pet hates is how people always refer to Southampton. As you have said Dortmund and Ajax sustain their success on this model. Tottenham are only in the position they are in too, due to selling a few key players to Madrid. It's because Southampton sold those players but regressed as a club. They had a great season in 15/16 and finished top 6, but then sold players like Van Dijk, Mane, Pelle, etc and fell back. But as long as we don't sell players just for more money for the board, but reinvest it into the club, then we can use it as a springboard to grow and improve. Southampton model = bad. Dortmund model = good. I think the Leicester City model will be more like the second than the first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIAMI_FOX Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 50m for ‘pass back’ Chilwell?.... yes please!!!! I’ll drive him there myself !!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nod.E Posted 22 August 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 22 August 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: He’s 23. He’s already one of the best left backs in England. He’s going to develop into one of the best at Chelsea. He doesn't have much competition though, does he? Who's he up against? Danny Rose? Luke Shaw? Hardly players you'd consider to be at the top of the game. My personal opinion is that Chilwell lacks a few things that you can't train. 1. He's one of those footballers that is too nice. I'm not saying every footballer has to be Roy Keane levels of horrible b*stard, but he lacks the determination to win to be an elite footballer for me. There's a nervousness, a lack of confidence that really comes across, and it was telling how his form dipped significantly and showed little sign of turning. His Mother told him it was the taking part that counts growing up. If you don't have the arrogance to know you're the dogs at 23, you never have it. Compare his general demeanor on the pitch to Trent as an example. Worlds apart. 2. He can't see a pass. Again, this isn't a technical thing that you can work on to improve. You either have an eye for it or you don't. He doesn't have it. It's why he always ends up doing that embarrassing turn and run back into his own half. It slows our play down and it will slow Chelsea's as well. 3. Concentration. This is one that potentially could improve slightly with age, but if your personality type is ditsy, you're going to be as ditsy at 32 as you are at 23. He'll always have a brain fart in him, leading to 3-5 defensive cock ups leading to goals per season. He has a fantastic engine and his ball striking technique is good. He's no Ian Harte (frankly not even an Alan Sheehan), but there's a decent left foot there. Those two things combined make him a good left back. The aforementioned 3 points will hold him back from being anything more, and so, in summary, we've had their pants down. Again. EDIT: Before someone pulls me up on Sheehan plying his trade in League One. I'm hoping people remember his trademark swinging free kicks and corners. It was basically all he was good for. Seem to remember two assists away at Chelsea in the cup funnily enough. Edited 22 August 2020 by Nod.E 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolo Barella Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 £50 million + installments according to Percy, that means that there will be mandatory money coming in in the coming years. The fee could easily be closer to £70 million in total. Very happy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 Huge loss for LCFC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 I find it very hard to believe that after demanding £90M, allegedly, all summer that we should settle on half that value. Especially not with the joy we hard with Maguire by sticking to our guns and holding out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod.E Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 6 minutes ago, Ricey said: I find it very hard to believe that after demanding £90M, allegedly, all summer that we should settle on half that value. Especially not with the joy we hard with Maguire by sticking to our guns and holding out. We probably never did. Where's the value in attempting to see the truth for the sh*t in modern media? Hard work. Take it for what it is. A big chunk of money for an okay footballer. We move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandFox Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 I definitely would have taken £60M. Who knows what sort of havoc Corona played on the transfer value or if needing positive cash flow for the club had something to do with it. So £50M might not actually be that bad. I'd assumed that we were going to lose him and prefer that the transfer happened as early as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Oxlong Posted 22 August 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 22 August 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: He’s 23. He’s already one of the best left backs in England. He’s going to develop into one of the best at Chelsea. Bang on Spaceman If he improves he could end up being in the top 3 left backs at Chelsea Edited 22 August 2020 by Mike Oxlong 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 I for one shall miss him. It won’t be the same without having the opportunity to slag off his post loss cheery chats with opposition players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanya Posted 22 August 2020 Share Posted 22 August 2020 I'll miss you, Ben. I am very annoyed, I think he will develop into a top, top left back in a couple of years. I just hope we reinvest the money in THIS window. The end of the season demonstrated that our squad is paper thin. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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