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Ben Chilwell

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

Not gonna happen though is it.

 

Whilst we're seen as a selling club by teams who we are trying to be direct rivals to, spoil the party and where we aspire to be, whilst also seen as a stepping stone by incoming players.

 

Now of course players will want to go on and better themselves and who am I to begrudge that. However, how do we grow as a club when we keep selling our talents, you can only successfully replace them for so long before it catches up with you, you have one bad season and the plan gets scrapped.

 

As I keep saying no other club seems to have their (or a) high profile players poached every single summer, other clubs don't seem to have players that "don't want to be there" - I'm not saying all clubs but alot, it seems every summer a player or players simply don't want to be here.

 

They get stronger as a direct hit we get weaker than we already are with a thin 11, let alone squad.

 

I can't help but feel this squad and many of the players in it are very unlikeable, I can probably count on one hand the likeable players who are truly commited to the cause but as for the others it points towards so many problems and arguably the cause for our downturn in form, the irony is we suffered due to poor performances and didn't get our top 4 finish, whilst certain players try and engineer moves out of the club too a club who finished in the top 4.

 

I'm not too bothered about losing Chilwell per se, i'm bothered about what it says about us as a club after we've sold yet again and i'm bothered about how thin on the ground we are as it is.

 

Mentalities need to change.

 

Players will always see us as a stepping stone, it would take huge funds we don't have and a decade of trophies before we were looked at as anything else. That's never changing unless Kingpower decide to put £1b of their own cash in. 

 

The way we go about things has risks, but it's the only sensible option. Attempting to keep hold of 4 or 5 players will just mean you end up with an annoyed group who could be doubling their money elsewhere and competing for trophies on a regular basis. That's no more of a sustainable model than the one we have, in fact it's potentially far worse as you end up eventually having to concede before contracts run out and we lose a number all in one go. 

 

No other clubs keep losing their players because not most of them haven't a) Been successful b) got highly talented players capable of making the step up c) got so many young English talents, and finally d) replaced their players with rubbish, whilst we've had a very high hit rate in terms of player purchases. 

 

Losing a player doesn't necessarily make you weaker, we lost Mahrez and actually got stronger as a squad. We might not have replaced him, but we replaced other less capable players with substantial upgrades in players like Ricardo and Maddison. 

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5 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

Maddison

Nidi

Soyuncu

Ricardo

Schmeichel

These are not exactly wide spread nor any indications that they want out or that the club are looking at shifting them. Nothing recent on madders or wilf, nothing really on Ricky and nothing much on Kasper. Cags will clearly be courted by the biggest and best around world football. But he’s indicated he would like to stay and develop. I see nothing in what you describe as widespread transfer speculation. 

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I would like to think when he is officially signed to Chelsea next week we announce his replacement. Very sad Chilly is going but wish him the best and hope he smashes it. I would have loved for him to stay but it's very rare anyone stays in the same job forever! Chelsea will be a force this season, well they certainly should be with the money they have spent......

 

Thanks Ben and good luck!

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56 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Absolute nonsense. Comments like this really do p*ss me off.
 

A prime Kyle Walker who was imo much better than what Chilwell is or ever will be, went to Man City for £47m. Benjamin Mendy who was arguably one of the best full backs in the world when he signed for Man City went for £50m. 

 

Both full backs imo are arguably miles better than Chilwell. We are getting the equivalent to those fees UPFRONT, let alone the add ons that will come. 
 

Yes £50m is a bit meh when we’ve been seeing rumours of around £80m, but if someone would of offered you £50m around Christmas time for Chilly I guarantee you would of snapped their hands off for it. 
 

Fullbacks aren’t a huge market compared to other positions. £50m + add ons is a great fee imo and as long as we reinvest wisely £25/£30m on Tagliafico or Telles. Then we are the winners in this situation.

 

Take your negativity elsewhere.

Kyle Walker was years ago before transfer fees were massively inflated and Benjamin Mendy came from Ligue 1 and is not English. Neither are good comparisons in my opinion.

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16 minutes ago, FoxesFourLife said:

Fuchs won't play next season  New player > Thomas > Fuchs, Thomas did enough last season to be backup to who ever we get to replace Chilwell.

This is absolutely not what's going to happen, Fuchs has not given up another year of not being with his family in New York to be third choice left back at a Europa League club.

 

Thomas needs a loan somewhere in the Championship or a similar level, he's only played 3 senior games and none in a four at the back system.

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32 minutes ago, nnfox said:

I'm not sure where I sit on Chilwell leaving.  On one hand £50m is a great price for a full back who has consistently one of the weakest players in the team in the second half of the season.  I'm continually frustrated by how much he slows an attack down and I'm always worried defensively if he's up against a half decent attacking player.

 

That said, his fitness levels are top class and the lad is an athlete.  He has decent skills too.  If he were to sort out his defensive positioning and was able to fire some crosses into the box at the right time instead of over thinking the situation to the point where any chance is gone, then he really would be world class.  

 

From my non-professional point of view, these seem quite simple fixes.  I can't understand why they haven't been able to sort it out here.  Maybe they can sort it out at Chelsea and he can fulfill his potential.

 

£50m is a great price for what he is now.  If he reaches his potential then it will be a fraction of what might have been.

Agreed 50 million for Chilwell at the moment is a good fee. I am hoping we have added in future instalments or bonus related for another 20 million or so. I think 70 will be a more realistic fee. 

Will be a shame to see an academy graduate leave though. 

 

If can get Brooks for roughly 35 and a left back for 25 selling Chilwell will improve the starting 11. All depends how we spend the money. 

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Were obviously hoping, we could rinse Chelsea like we did Man Utd with Maguire, but 50 million still sounds like a pretty decent deal for a leftback, who is definitely decent and has great potential, but also frustrates us immensely. I like seeing players coming through our academy becoming regulars in our team, especially now when we are actually among the 10 best sides in the country, so in that regard it is a shame to see him go.

 

But on the other hand, Barnes will become beastmode this season when he and Chillwell will not misunderstand each other all the time down that left side. 

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50 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Honestly, I think Chilly will crumble at Chelsea as soon as he has one or two poor performances.

 

Look at how his performances dropped as soon as he came under the spotlight with us. Brendan had to take him out of the side to protect him. With a fan base like Chelsea’s, I honestly think he will struggle. For me he hasn’t got the self confidence to play for a top 6 club.

Agree. He’ll end up as another drinkwater. The problem I see for us is getting a replacement in and being held to ransom. Which I’m afraid I can see happening. 

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Just now, winteriscoming said:

Agree. He’ll end up as another drinkwater. The problem I see for us is getting a replacement in and being held to ransom. Which I’m afraid I can see happening. 

Personally I think we will already have a deal lined up for Tagliafico prior to the sale. £30m I reckon it’ll be.

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8 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

This is absolutely not what's going to happen, Fuchs has not given up another year of not being with his family in New York to be third choice left back at a Europa League club.

 

Thomas needs a loan somewhere in the Championship or a similar level, he's only played 3 senior games and none in a four at the back system.

I do tend to disagree. I do think that he's worth keeping here to both train with and be absolutley familiar with first team tactics. He will also get plenty of opportunity to play in both domestic cups as well I would think due to squad rotation. You can't play the first 11 in every competition and there will of course be injuries as well as the extra European matches. There has to be some sort of priorities set which for me would be Premiership, Europe, FA Cup then League Cup. 

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1 hour ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Absolute nonsense. Comments like this really do p*ss me off.
 

A prime Kyle Walker who was imo much better than what Chilwell is or ever will be, went to Man City for £47m. Benjamin Mendy who was arguably one of the best full backs in the world when he signed for Man City went for £50m. 

 

Both full backs imo are arguably miles better than Chilwell. We are getting the equivalent to those fees UPFRONT, let alone the add ons that will come. 
 

Yes £50m is a bit meh when we’ve been seeing rumours of around £80m, but if someone would of offered you £50m around Christmas time for Chilly I guarantee you would of snapped their hands off for it. 
 

Fullbacks aren’t a huge market compared to other positions. £50m + add ons is a great fee imo and as long as we reinvest wisely £25/£30m on Tagliafico or Telles. Then we are the winners in this situation.

 

Take your negativity elsewhere.

Kyle Walker is one thing but you think Mendy is better than Chilwell? Wow.

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12 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Kyle Walker is one thing but you think Mendy is better than Chilwell? Wow.

He said "Benjamin Mendy who was arguably one of the best full backs in the world when he signed for Man City". He didn't say "is".

This is indisputable. He got 11 assists in all comps in a single season from left back before he signed for them. The hype around Mendy was insane.

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7 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Personally I think we will already have a deal lined up for Tagliafico prior to the sale. £30m I reckon it’ll be.

Could be. Are we in a position where we have to wait for chilwell to go before we can complete deals for his replacement? I remember that happening with drinkwater and silva transfers. I think we’ll end up getting Lewis from Norwich for about 20m. 

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10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I do tend to disagree. I do think that he's worth keeping here to both train with and be absolutley familiar with first team tactics. He will also get plenty of opportunity to play in both domestic cups as well I would think due to squad rotation. You can't play the first 11 in every competition and there will of course be injuries as well as the extra European matches. There has to be some sort of priorities set which for me would be Premiership, Europe, FA Cup then League Cup. 

On that basis you are keeping 33 players at the club, and need 8 U21 players in that 33. You don't see clubs keeping three specialist left-backs, especially when their two right-backs have both played dozens of games on the left in their careers.

 

I agree we can't play the strongest XI in every game but we have an outstanding injury record and our starters play the vast majority of games - it's also about a gulf in quality that exists for almost all clubs from starting XI to the rest, which means only really Manchester City can rotate comfortably as you're suggesting.

 

If the new signing plays 33-35 league games and 3-4 Europa League games there's hardly any games for a further two left-backs. It would be a complete waste of time for Thomas.

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