Coronavirus Thread

[Dr The Singh]

5 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

[Dr The Singh]

This is scary, do we except damage to majority impacted one generation at the cost of ruining 3 generations?????  Harsh reality folks.

[yorkie1999]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

This is scary, do we except damage to majority impacted one generation at the cost of ruining 3 generations?????  Harsh reality folks.

Yes. Money can be paid back and written off, not seeing your granny again can’t.

[whoareyaaa]

11 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

 

some people have to work to be able to eat to stay alive, that costs money and means going to work not everyone is in the same boat 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

5 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I don't think I have... But for the sake of argument, how do you think he has fared worse compared to his European counterparts?

 

• Failure to prepare for the looming pandemic in January and February
• Failure to lock down fast enough
• Failure to provide protective equipment for health workers
• Failure to protect care homes
• Failure to deliver an efficient test and trace system which he's slung an unqualified mate in charge of. A system the fate of the nation supposedly hinges on
• Failure to devise a plausible alternative to A-levels
• Failure to use the summer lull to prepare for the imminent second wave
• Rewarding cronies with cabinet jobs, peerages and untendered contracts
• Scapegoating scientific advisors
• U-turn after u-turn after ****ing u-turn
• Encouraged remote workers to return unnecessarily so commercial landlords had some moolah in their collective pocket

 

I'm going to leave this thread now because not only has typing that out made me unfeasibly annoyed at myself that I'm even biting at someone that this will clearly wash over – I'm also just incredibly sad the your first point of finger pointing is the public that by and large are doing their utmost to adhere to the rules under the catastrophic reign of this selfish, incompetent ****.

[don_danbury]

we need claude puel in charge

[reynard]

4 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

The rush to get back to "the new normal" has possibly led to a laxity in people's thinking towards the virus and how to protect themselves and others. 

 

Shops and hospitality represent and easy and oblivious target for being seen "to do something" - but these are spots where people will relax, mingle and generally behave differently than in more professional settings. 

 

Plus if you consider the complexity and difficulty of track and trace when someone has been at something like a shopping mall, pub or restaurant - areas with mass turnovers of people in short spaces of time, they feel like a prime candidate for initial restrictions. At least with schools, universities and places of work - these places know who will be there day in day out. 

Problem is, the first lockdown was such an unprecedented and unthinkable move to many that most people took on board the restrictions in good spirits.

 

I'm not sure this will be the case second time around.

 

I can only speak anecdotedly here but I know a great many shop owners/managers and they are all saying the same thing which is people come in with a purpose, ie they are not browsing or mingling, but coming in to make a pre decided purchase. All, without exception, are reporting a much higher conversion rate than last year and all are reporting people are shopping locally. Now people will just be driven to the dreaded onlime behomoth. Make no mistake this is a disaster for small local retailers and I know many who probably won't survive now.

Also many people do not spend very long in many shops and do not have much close contact with other people the way they do in schools or in private homes.

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 minute ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

• Failure to prepare for the looming pandemic in January and February
• Failure to lock down fast enough
• Failure to provide protective equipment for health workers
• Failure to protect care homes
• Failure to deliver an efficient test and trace system which he's slung an unqualified mate in charge of. A system the fate of the nation supposedly hinges on
• Failure to devise a plausible alternative to A-levels
• Failure to use the summer lull to prepare for the imminent second wave
• Rewarding cronies with cabinet jobs, peerages and untendered contracts
• Scapegoating scientific advisors
• U-turn after u-turn after ****ing u-turn
• Encouraged remote workers to return unnecessarily so commercial landlords had some moolah in their collective pocket

 

I'm going to leave this thread now because not only has typing that out made me unfeasibly annoyed at myself that I'm even biting at someone that this will clearly wash over – I'm also just incredibly sad the your first point of finger pointing is the public that by and large are doing their utmost to adhere to the rules under the catastrophic reign of this selfish, incompetent ****.

Even as a Tory voter I can say that is ridiculous, I don't understand why some can't lay some of the blame at the Governments door, why is it the small percentage of people who haven't followed the rules to the book fault?

[Gubbins]

The virus is here and it's not going away. It probably never will. Nature has finally got sick of our shit and has made it more difficult to live a very long life or survive with biological weaknesses. We should probably just learn to accept this and get back to a more normal way of life as there is very little that can be done. When a terrorist strikes theres always lots of 'they will not intimidate us and force us to give up our way of life' type declarations but they're doing the exact opposite here. 

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, foxile5 said:

Nobody said to 'stop education' as you've elected to put it. Just to close the buildings. 

 

I'm currently taking my degree online resultant of the pandemic. I work closely with schools who are all prepared to offer online education. It isn't a problem. Keeping the physical locations open if a political choice and not driven by data. 

 

Utter utter bullshit.  You can’t teach kids 5-11 remotely, most of them haven’t got the ability to deal with it.

[foxile5]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

Utter utter bullshit.  You can’t teach kids 5-11 remotely, most of them haven’t got the ability to deal with it.

Oh okay. Utter bullshit it is. 

 

There's absolutely no way tasks could be scaffolded and lessons recorded to ensure some progress during a period of lockdown. That hasn't happened even recently. Utter bullshit it is. 

[Jon the Hat]

Just now, foxile5 said:

Oh okay. Utter bullshit it is. 

 

There's absolutely no way tasks could be scaffolded and lessons recorded to ensure some progress during a period of lockdown. That hasn't happened even recently. Utter bullshit it is. 

Some progress? Oh that’s fine them.  Forget that learning social interaction is half of what we do at school, and settle for some progress.  
sorry no.  Not good enough.

[st albans fox]

We know what happens here ....

we had the first film in the spring 

the sequel will follow the same script

 

we know that with daily cases 50k plus and the virus moving up the generations that hospitalisations will begin to spiral .....and with some therapeutics now available and better understanding of treatments required to help, we could see even more people in hospital for longer and deaths at a little lower rate than the spring. But that means even more people in hospital.  
 

so how do we put a brake on the drowning of the NHS over the next six weeks - I’m genuinely interested. My business may well not survive this second half on retail but I dont really see what options there are at this point.  
 

You could ask all over 65’s to stay home apart from essential shopping in supermarkets/food shops (in pre set time periods during the day)  and to avoid all contact with other age groups but I simply don’t believe that they will observe this. unless nearly everyone buys into the  solution then it won’t work. 

Edited 31 October 2020 by st albans fox

[Finnaldo]

34 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

I don’t see the why a regional approach shouldn’t have been tried and I don’t see why that should be seen as politicking, unless of course you are guilty of politicking yourself.  The fact it hasn’t worked is clearly disappointing but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be tried. 

I wholeheartedly agree. But the issue is, that was the second or third complete overhaul of the rules since we came out of the first lockdown. Do you remember the old ‘Nando’s’ system we had in place when we first came out of lockdown? I don’t even remember the rankings or the rules of it, it was seemingly discontinued after a month or two and never mentioned again. 
 

From the very start, the government treated this as a non-issue. Lombardy’s healthcare system was being devastated, and the Prime Minister couldn’t be bothered to attend any of the six COBR meetings through February, then he was out being jolly shaking hands of active Covid patients. In March, Cheltenham was allowed to go ahead with no precautions at all. Atletico fans from Madrid, quickly becoming the second Covid hotspot in Europe, flew in for the Champions League games without any kind of precaution or testing or impediment. In fact anyone flying in had no testing or precautionary quarantining until almost the end of Lockdown. 
 

Then the government was forced to act and sent us into a full lockdown as the last resort. This gave them a three month period to plan a decisive, flexible reopening system and develop a competent track and trace system to compliment it. What did they come with? Well they put the track and trace system, I’m sure ENTIRELY by coincidence, in the hand of a wife of a Tory MP in Dido Harding, with no experience in any such tasks, and rather than license one of the functioning track and trace apps in Germany, Japan or Korea to build off of, decided to go it alone and build a buggy, ineffective mess with minimal engagement, to the tune of billions of pounds (but a few million £ for feeding hungry kids is off the table, folks). Testing targets set by themselves were consistently missed and continue to be missed. In terms of plan, we’ve already gone over the Nando’s chart and the random muddle of rules tacted on as we went plodding along, until finally this regional attempt was made, far too late after the previous system had gone largely ignored. 
 

I haven’t even gone over a certain chief advisor having the rules completely altered after he completely fvcked them off to do as he liked, going live on TV to smarmily admit so alongside some road traffic offences that cabinet ministers agreed they’d also commit. Accountability, that. 

Followed by 10pm curfews, mask rules that should have been regulation from the start, and flip-flopping galore in between (“Eat Out To Help Out, until we blame you for Eating Out”).

 

And now here we are, the government implementing a lockdown twice as long as the one they, not two weeks ago, condemned as ludicrously stupid. 
 

But no, the government have done a sterling job. Boris does look tired, doesn’t he?

[foxile5]

10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Some progress? Oh that’s fine them.  Forget that learning social interaction is half of what we do at school, and settle for some progress.  
sorry no.  Not good enough.

Hold on. You were the one that threw up learning remotely. You didn't mention social interaction. You can't throw up one variable then whinge about another. 

 

Social interaction isn't 'half of what we do at school' at all. That, to parse your words, is utter bullshit. Social interaction is, seeing as you want to apply a proportional value to it, an hour of a six hour day. So about one sixth or 16%. Probably more given there is SOME social interaction in a classroom. So your weird hyperbolic statement is, at its core, faulty. Forgetting the fact 'social interaction' is much more likely to be developed through the family and friends network. A school's remit is, incase you're not familiar, to educate. Not to entertain. 

 

And who are you to cast judgement on what's 'good enough' from a school? You're not OFSTED. 

Edited 31 October 2020 by foxile5

[Leicester_Loyal]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You could ask all over 65’s to stay home apart from essential shopping in supermarkets/food shops (in pre set time periods during the day)  and to avoid all contact with other age groups but I simply don’t believe that they will observe this. unless meanly everyone buys into the  solution then it won’t work. 

'Selfish *****'

Edited 31 October 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[FoxesDeb]

19 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

• Failure to prepare for the looming pandemic in January and February
• Failure to lock down fast enough
• Failure to provide protective equipment for health workers
• Failure to protect care homes
• Failure to deliver an efficient test and trace system which he's slung an unqualified mate in charge of. A system the fate of the nation supposedly hinges on
• Failure to devise a plausible alternative to A-levels
• Failure to use the summer lull to prepare for the imminent second wave
• Rewarding cronies with cabinet jobs, peerages and untendered contracts
• Scapegoating scientific advisors
• U-turn after u-turn after ****ing u-turn
• Encouraged remote workers to return unnecessarily so commercial landlords had some moolah in their collective pocket

 

I'm going to leave this thread now because not only has typing that out made me unfeasibly annoyed at myself that I'm even biting at someone that this will clearly wash over – I'm also just incredibly sad the your first point of finger pointing is the public that by and large are doing their utmost to adhere to the rules under the catastrophic reign of this selfish, incompetent ****.

If you really, truly believe that all you have posted above is true then that is a sad indictment on society i

 

22 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

• Failure to prepare for the looming pandemic in January and February
• Failure to lock down fast enough
• Failure to provide protective equipment for health workers
• Failure to protect care homes
• Failure to deliver an efficient test and trace system which he's slung an unqualified mate in charge of. A system the fate of the nation supposedly hinges on
• Failure to devise a plausible alternative to A-levels
• Failure to use the summer lull to prepare for the imminent second wave
• Rewarding cronies with cabinet jobs, peerages and untendered contracts
• Scapegoating scientific advisors
• U-turn after u-turn after ****ing u-turn
• Encouraged remote workers to return unnecessarily so commercial landlords had some moolah in their collective pocket

 

I'm going to leave this thread now because not only has typing that out made me unfeasibly annoyed at myself that I'm even biting at someone that this will clearly wash over – I'm also just incredibly sad the your first point of finger pointing is the public that by and large are doing their utmost to adhere to the rules under the catastrophic reign of this selfish, incompetent ****.

*can't be bothered to waste my time*

[Dr The Singh]

25 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Yes. Money can be paid back and written off, not seeing your granny again can’t.

My mum is 85, I prefer to see my kids etc prosper, so does she

[Costock_Fox]

So I’m meant to be going Scotland in the morning for 5 nights, legally can I still go?

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

So I’m meant to be going Scotland in the morning for 5 nights, legally can I still go?

The question surely is can you come back? 

[Costock_Fox]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

The question surely is can you come back? 

The question is do I want to come back?

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

The question is do I want to come back?

With the state of things atm? Nah..

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

5 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

*can't be bothered to waste my time*

Sounds about right.

[Facecloth]

12 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

If you really, truly believe that all you have posted above is true then that is a sad indictment on society i

 

*can't be bothered to waste my time*

He's not said anything that isn't true about Johnson.

 

The man is a terrible PM. He's winging it and making the wrong choice at every turn. 

[CosbehFox]