Coronavirus Thread

[DJ Barry Hammond]

2 hours ago, Izzy said:

So off licenses are ‘essential’ but gyms aren’t?
 

Forget keeping physically and mentally healthy and stay home and get pissed instead.

 

That’ll help the NHS 

 

It could well be that gyms are harder to manage in terms of protection against virus transmission than an off-licence. 

 

Off-licences are venues where people would go in and out of relatively quickly and have minimal contact with other people. Equally preventative restrictions, including limiting the number who enter at one time to only a handful of people and requiring the wearing of face masks are easy to implement. 

 

Gyms on the other hand tend to be larger premises used by multiple people across the day for longer periods. 

 

By there very nature, those that use the gyms will use various equipment, creating a larger degree of common touch points.

 

Additionally, physical exercise will prompt people to breath out more heavily - which I imagine gives a higher propensity for respiratory droplets of a virus to land on surfaces and generally travel within the confines of these indoor premises. 

 

TL;dr -  these two types of venue are not directly comparable when it comes to deadly infectious diseases

Edited 1 November 2020 by DJ Barry Hammond

[Leicester_Loyal]

I agree with those saying this 'Save Christmas' stuff is a load of bollocks, it's purely to get people to comply with the rules.

 

On 2nd December we'll go into tiered restrictions and near Christmas we'll be allowed to mix households (for how many days I don't know), regardless of what tier we're in. This will be painted as our reward for following the rules so well and saving the NHS/Country

[Pliskin]

The prime minister is expected to deliver a statement in the Commons on Monday ahead of a vote on the latest restrictions on Wednesday. Labour has indicated it will back the lockdown
 

from the BBC. So it appears it hasn’t actually been universally agreed what the restrictions should be. 

[bovril]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

Agreed. It’s been a shower of shit but impossible not to make mistakes when it’s all unknown.

I think the general public have been quite accepting and understanding of the situation. Ignoring some the Corbynista nutters on twitter, most opponents of the Tories were willing to get behind them at the start of the crisis.

 

But the incompetence is frightening, especially with some of the biggest changes in the country's post-war history coming up on the 1st of Jan. The communication has been horrible and for me personally the accusations of 'playing politics' towards people who correctly stated we needed to act faster has really been the last straw. It's pathetic, arrogant and anti-democratic. 

 

There needs to be accountability and people in positions of power need to understand their mistakes can cost them their job just like my mistakes can. I don't really care who's on the ballot paper next time round, surely there comes a time when people simply deserve to lose their job for repeatedly making mistakes that cost lives. Even though those mistakes may be honest ones. 

[Izzy]

50 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Regarding gyms closing, I’ve also just read golf courses are closing. This is surely another bizarre decision. Surely now the staff at the golf courses and owners etc will receive tax payer funded money that didn’t need to be paid out of an already stretched budget. What dangers exist on a golf course is beyond me. Obviously the bars would be shut but to prevent some absolute golf nuts, anyone playing this time of the year are just that, playing a round of golf stinks of overkill. 

Closing golf courses is bonkers. Like gyms, I know many people who’s daily round of golf is their only solace atm.

 

There’s so many Covid measures in place at golf courses that it’s safe as houses. No ball cleaners, no rakes in bunkers, can’t touch the flagstick, masks in the pro shop etc, etc.

 

Golf UK are petitioning the government to stay open as I’m sure gym governing bodies will be too but I’m not holding my breath.

 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 hour ago, Foxy_Bear said:

I dont think ANY government would have survived this. It was a lose/lose from day one. 

 

I'm not sure that's true - in the face of disaster there is opportunity for a political leader.

 

It's the handling of a crisis that has made Churchill such a revered historical political figure for many and Rudy Giuliani for example - and this might be hard to believe now - gained much acclaim for his response to 9/11.

 

Another case in point is Jacinda Arden, who was re-elected in a landside victory in New Zealand recently.

 

So it is possible for a political leader to hit the right note with the public even in a situation like this - but the key's to coming through the other side is to be visible and take bold, clear and decisive action.

[Costock_Fox]

3 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think the general public have been quite accepting and understanding of the situation. Ignoring some the Corbynista nutters on twitter, most opponents of the Tories were willing to get behind them at the start of the crisis.

 

But the incompetence is frightening, especially with some of the biggest changes in the country's post-war history coming up on the 1st of Jan. The communication has been horrible and for me personally the accusations of 'playing politics' towards people who correctly stated we needed to act faster has really been the last straw. It's pathetic, arrogant and anti-democratic. 

 

There needs to be accountability and people in positions of power need to understand their mistakes can cost them their job just like my mistakes can. I don't really care who's on the ballot paper next time round, surely there comes a time when people simply deserve to lose their job for repeatedly making mistakes that cost lives. Even though those mistakes may be honest ones. 

Oh yeah I completely get it, like I said it’s been a shower of shit with some really fundamental mistakes but I’m not going to sit here and say someone else/ Labour wouldn’t have made mistakes.

[Dr The Singh]

1 hour ago, Nalis said:

This isnt aimed directly at you as you are one of the best posters on this forum but I absolutely hate it when make things a competition between booze/pubs vs gyms since March. Also, gyms being closed doesnt stop people going for a run or doing HIITs at home.

 

 

[MonmoreStef]

9 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Closing golf courses is bonkers. Like gyms, I know many people who’s daily round of golf is their only solace atm.

 

There’s so many Covid measures in place at golf courses that it’s safe as houses. No ball cleaners, no rakes in bunkers, can’t touch the flagstick, masks in the pro shop etc, etc.

 

Golf UK are petitioning the government to stay open as I’m sure gym governing bodies will be too but I’m not holding my breath.

 

 

Like somebody said earlier on this topic.  You look at the people making these decisions and you don’t see many that look like they’ve been inside a gym anytime lately. Id say the same applies to other sports. 

[Pliskin]

8 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Oh yeah I completely get it, like I said it’s been a shower of shit with some really fundamental mistakes but I’m not going to sit here and say someone else/ Labour wouldn’t have made mistakes.

Could you imagine if labour and Corbyn were responsible for handling this? He would have us all moving into wigwams and drinking our own piss.

[UniFox21]

20 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

The prime minister is expected to deliver a statement in the Commons on Monday ahead of a vote on the latest restrictions on Wednesday. Labour has indicated it will back the lockdown
 

from the BBC. So it appears it hasn’t actually been universally agreed what the restrictions should be. 

Because none of this was meant to be announced until tomorrow

[Pliskin]

2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Because none of this was meant to be announced until tomorrow

Ah, fair point. It won’t go well will it? There will be members of his own cabinet gunning for him I imagine. 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

1 minute ago, UniFox21 said:

Because none of this was meant to be announced until tomorrow

Until that pretentious knob Robert Peston (amongst others) went on Twitter and leaked the lot.

I don’t actually blame him, he’s just doing his job, the government should of remained tight lipped and not allowed journalists to broadcast their plans to the nation.

[Costock_Fox]

9 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Could you imagine if labour and Corbyn were responsible for handling this? He would have us all moving into wigwams and drinking our own piss.

Is it too late to change my vote?

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Is it too late to change my vote?

😂😂😂 I’ll bring my guitar, you bring the campfire! 

[danny.]

15 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Could you imagine if labour and Corbyn were responsible for handling this? He would have us all moving into wigwams and drinking our own piss.

Yes, all the socialist governments have done a terrible job handling this - look how bad New Zealand is

[Scotch]

24 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

I'm not sure that's true - in the face of disaster there is opportunity for a political leader.

 

It's the handling of a crisis that has made Churchill such a revered historical political figure for many and Rudy Giuliani for example - and this might be hard to believe now - gained much acclaim for his response to 9/11.

 

Another case in point is Jacinda Arden, who was re-elected in a landside victory in New Zealand recently.

 

So it is possible for a political leader to hit the right note with the public even in a situation like this - but the key's to coming through the other side is to be visible and take bold, clear and decisive action.

I can't disagree with the examples you've used but what I would note is the difference between the Churchill simile and this Is during the Second world war, folk believed that their freedoms where being threatened and he protected those rights, it made them act differently. The roles reversed in BJ's case as he has had to make decisions that many feel has taken their freedoms away. 

 

I agree with you that in disaster, there is opportunity for political leaders but I feel in this case, there were no decisions that he could have made that everyone would have agreed with as the whole country now seems to be an expert on infectious diseases. 

 

With regards to you're last point  you can't be too decisive or bold as it comes across as uncaring. The best example is Nicola Sturgeon. She is the complete opposite to BoJo in that she seems to have been very decisive and sure of her self where he seems to give off the impression of incompetence yet, many have said she is cold and uncaring and acted too harshly.... 

 

She will lose a lot of votes over this, just like Johnson and I don't think we have a political leader who could have gained the public's confidence through this. 

[Vlad the Fox]

2 hours ago, Kopic said:

My workplace has a thermometer camera in reception you have to stand in front of before you are allowed in. It seems to work perfectly fine for everyone except me. Every single day it reads between 31 and 33c for me, which would indicate i am dead. For everyone else it seems to read normally and I'm obviously not dead, what could cause that? Coupled with the fact social distancing has been completely out the window since July, it makes me worry. Although we haven't had any cases, yet.

You’ve not been bitten by anyone who looks dead lately have you? 

[Corky]

Can we still go grouse shooting?

[UniFox21]

18 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Ah, fair point. It won’t go well will it? There will be members of his own cabinet gunning for him I imagine. 

The leaks basically pushed this announcement up by 2 days, which I assume would've been used to smooth these things out. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Until that pretentious knob Robert Peston (amongst others) went on Twitter and leaked the lot.

I don’t actually blame him, he’s just doing his job, the government should of remained tight lipped and not allowed journalists to broadcast their plans to the nation.

Whatever happened and irrelevant of who did what, it's all a farce. 

[Pliskin]

8 minutes ago, danny. said:

Yes, all the socialist governments have done a terrible job handling this - look how bad New Zealand is

We’re not New Zealand...

[Zear0]

2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

We’re not New Zealand...

We're also not led by Corbyn or Labour. 

[Nalis]

37 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

I was trying to be nice you asshole 

[UniFox21]

2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

We’re not New Zealand...

Exactly, non-comparable nations, non-comparable people, non-comparable government/those in charge. 

[The Guvnor]

2 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Thankfully we think I have had it for at least a week already as we had someone off work from the 19th as they were positive so we also think that it is quite likely that I have picked it up at work

 

No other symptoms at all and feel perfectly fine other than just not being able to smell anything!

If I could guarantee that would be my only symptom I would welcome it, our dogs farts are fcuking wicked.