Coronavirus Thread

[Lionator]

5 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Germany’s example is over double for deaths from March to Nov and then Nov to Jan
 

I’d suggest The 400 at the wedding, the 200 at the party, the people doing a 300mile trip for a walk with a view, the X at the Z what ever it is, there loads of examples of people that need a short sharp shock to bring the downward trend in further and faster.

 

Vaccines here granted, but the more breaking of rules prolongs the lockdown 

 

 

Germany did exceptionally well in the first wave, whether that was luck or preparedness then who knows, but they're not representative of most of Europe. Their second wave has mirrored most of the rest of Europe. 

 

As for the second group of people, if they're willing to go to a gathering of that sort, the fatality rate increasing from 1% to 1.3% really isn't going to make much difference in their daft minds. 

[BKLFox]

4 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Germany did exceptionally well in the first wave, whether that was luck or preparedness then who knows, but they're not representative of most of Europe. Their second wave has mirrored most of the rest of Europe. 

 

As for the second group of people, if they're willing to go to a gathering of that sort, the fatality rate increasing from 1% to 1.3% really isn't going to make much difference in their daft minds. 

Ok

[Leicester_Loyal]

7 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Germany’s example is over double for deaths from March to Nov and then Nov to Jan
 

I’d suggest The 400 at the wedding, the 200 at the party, the people doing a 300mile trip for a walk with a view, the X at the Z what ever it is, there loads of examples of people that need a short sharp shock to bring the downward trend in further and faster.

 

Vaccines here granted, but the more breaking of rules prolongs the lockdown 

 

 

Sorry but that doesn't make sense, obviously we're going to have more deaths from November to January, with or without a new varient, because it's winter We don't yet have enough evidence to say for definite if this new strain is more deadly, hence Boris has used the word 'may' in there, but it may turn out to be.

 

Another thing I'll say, we know and the Government know that people will break the rules, so this should be factored into their planning. People break laws everyday, it's nothing new. Simply saying everyday 'if peope didn't break the rules we'd be out of this' is simply not true, we might be better off granted, but we'd still be in a situation where tens of thousands are catching it everyday and hundreds if not more are dying.

[CosbehFox]

By the way, that wedding reported as 400, it was actually 150. 

 

But alas the media are specialising in overeating stories at the moment. 

[reynard]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Are you suggesting that it isn’t, with your last statement I guess your saying you don’t believe them.

 

If I never watched a single COVID press conference I could work out from film footage, published stats & on personal experience that this variant is more potent.

 

In March did we see the NHS breaking at the seams in a way that’s reported now, did we see the lines of ambulances in 3hr+ queues outside of A&E departments, did we see the daily death figures continually pass their ‘record’ in such a short space of time that we have seen in Dec/Jan.

I’m not saying there wasn’t a strain on the NHS prior to the new variant but putting your head up it just seems different this time round does it not and as reported by our very own medical representatives and health workers within this forum.

Using my daughters school as an indicator for spread, I would struggle to remember 5 cases reported from the whole of the grand re-opening to beginning of November, just 5 in a school with 1500+ pupils and staff on top of that but from November the cases rocketed to a point where the school had to shut its gates on the 4th Dec, 3 weeks before end of term due to cases being so high in that 4 week period.

 

This trend isn’t isolated to the UK, I’ll use Germany as an example.
On 30th Dec they recorded their highest daily death toll this being 1112 people, compared to an average 500 during their peak, this new figure took their total to around 32k deaths, BUT this morning it quietly went unnoticed that they have just passed 50k deaths, that’s 18k or more than double the previous yearly death toll condensed into the 23 days of January and that’s with the UKs break-through of identifying COVID fighting drugs and a world wide better understanding of CV19 itself.
To further put context on that figure between March and May their total death rates was 1 of the lowest of all European countries at 7,869.

 

Now I’m no rocket scientist but I don’t need someone from the government to stand up in front of me and show me a slide to work out that this probably is a more lethal mutation of CV19 and if anyone doesn’t take heed they are not part of the solution, they’re part of the problem.

There is a subtle difference between a virus's ability to infect and the same virus's ability to kill. Right now we don't have enough clinical evidence to confirm that this particular mutation is definitely more deadly but we do know it is way more infectious. So many many more people are being infected and thus many more are dying.

 

I admit it doesn't look good but right now we don't know for certain.

As you say we have drugs to help now and we are using them. I'd like to see figures about how long people are in hospital in comparison to last spring and how many are dying in comparison to how many are being saved but need longer in hospital therefore increasing the overall number in hospital at any one time.

In a few weeks we will have better date and be able to say more definitely if it is the case it is more deadly.

 

Personally I'm looking forwards to 2022 as 2021 is already shaping up to be as bad as 2020.

Border closures could well be likely to happen and the lockdown extended for several months yet. And that is if the vaccines work as well as is hoped. The pressure from scientists on the Government for tighter and longer restrictions will only grow if further mutations come about that look either more infectious more dangerous or more likely to evade vaccines.

[Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

By the way, that wedding reported as 400, it was actually 150. 

 

But alas the media are specialising in overeating stories at the moment. 

400 or 150?

Its still barminess of ridiculous proportions 

[StanSP]

6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

By the way, that wedding reported as 400, it was actually 150. 

 

But alas the media are specialising in overeating stories at the moment. 

I think Police revised it down. Media might just have gone on what police originally said.

[Guest Harrydc]

The media are the absolute worst for fear mongering. 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

400 or 150?

Its still barminess of ridiculous proportions 

Without a shadow - but the media are working up a lot of complying folk at the mo. I actually think stories like that counteract against the public working together - they make some think 'ahh fcuk it, I might as well start it' to

 

There was a thing last week when the BBC reported that cases went up - I think Monday to Tuesday. Which of course is common because of weekend lags. The reality is that the cases need comparison on a 7 day cycle. Which is showing thankfully a downward trend. 

 

On a positive note yesterday, I had to do an inspection at a warehouse yesterday for work - not seen a more compliant workplace since this kicked off. Restored a bit of faith tbh. 

 

 

[Col city fan]

21 minutes ago, reynard said:

There is a subtle difference between a virus's ability to infect and the same virus's ability to kill. Right now we don't have enough clinical evidence to confirm that this particular mutation is definitely more deadly but we do know it is way more infectious. So many many more people are being infected and thus many more are dying.

 

I admit it doesn't look good but right now we don't know for certain.

As you say we have drugs to help now and we are using them. I'd like to see figures about how long people are in hospital in comparison to last spring and how many are dying in comparison to how many are being saved but need longer in hospital therefore increasing the overall number in hospital at any one time.

In a few weeks we will have better date and be able to say more definitely if it is the case it is more deadly.

 

Personally I'm looking forwards to 2022 as 2021 is already shaping up to be as bad as 2020.

Border closures could well be likely to happen and the lockdown extended for several months yet. And that is if the vaccines work as well as is hoped. The pressure from scientists on the Government for tighter and longer restrictions will only grow if further mutations come about that look either more infectious more dangerous or more likely to evade vaccines.

I’ve said this before. The flu virus mutates each year. This is why the vaccine slightly alters every year to take account of this. 
Therefore, the flu vaccine is annual and usually gets rolled out about Sept each year

To my mind, exactly the same thing will have to happen with the Covid vaccines. It’ll have to be given periodically, it’ll change each time to take into account changes to strains

I’ve long thought it will be the ongoing vaccination programmes that will enable us to start to take control of the pandemic and get back to an altered state of normalcy. I don’t think it’ll ever be the same now. I believe social distancing, better personal hygiene etc will be here to stay. Eg. I highly doubt that shops etc will ever take the Perspex screens down, football stadia will change long term etc etc

I believe it will be the controlled and effective implementation of the vaccines that will allow society to get going again. Read your history. This has always been the case. Smallpox, TB, the flu et al... ultimately controlled by vaccination programmes. But it’ll take time and the scary thing seems to be the sheer speed that corona mutates.

It IS a war this... vaccines and people v corona. And I think the important thing to remember is that neither people nor vaccines can beat the virus on their own. It’s got to be a combined effort of vaccinating as many people as possible as often as we need to AND people changing their habits. 

Edited 23 January 2021 by Col city fan

[purpleronnie]

An elderly woman from round the corner from my house was walking through the park when 2 youngsters walked up to her and coughed in her face.

 

 

[Thefox81]

19 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

An elderly woman from round the corner from my house was walking through the park when 2 youngsters walked up to her and coughed in her face.

 

 

Utter scumbags. Hope they are found and made an example of. Cant even begin to put into words how angry thats made me.

[StanSP]

478,248 received 1st dose yesterday!

[StanSP]

1,821 2nd doses.

 

Totals - 5.86m have received first dose; 468,617 have received 2nd dose so far.

[Stivo]

11 minutes ago, StanSP said:

478,248 received 1st dose yesterday!

Last week the figures dropped for 3 days from this point, so we shouldn’t be too worried if there is a drop tomorrow.

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Germany did exceptionally well in the first wave, whether that was luck or preparedness then who knows, but they're not representative of most of Europe. Their second wave has mirrored most of the rest of Europe. 

 

As for the second group of people, if they're willing to go to a gathering of that sort, the fatality rate increasing from 1% to 1.3% really isn't going to make much difference in their daft minds. 

 

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Sorry but that doesn't make sense, obviously we're going to have more deaths from November to January, with or without a new varient, because it's winter We don't yet have enough evidence to say for definite if this new strain is more deadly, hence Boris has used the word 'may' in there, but it may turn out to be.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-covid-death-toll-almost-trebles-in-december/a-56114526

 

Trebles and attributed to covid that’s all I can say

[StanSP]

Whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, this can't sit right, surely?

 

'Save lives, but we won't do what we can to help you save your own...'

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, this can't sit right, surely?

 

'Save lives, but we won't do what we can to help you save your own...'

 

It’s very disappointing. Of course, there will be some who agree with it but I’m with you, it doesn’t sit right. 

[Ian Nacho]

It may be just the select few people I know, but I know a few healthcare professionals and the majority of them don’t follow the rules. Strange. 

[davieG]

Merc

 

Figures released by NHS England for the period up to last Sunday, January 17, a total of 56,317 people across Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland had received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

Of these, 27,826 doses were given to people over the age of 80 and 28,491 were given to people under the age of 80 – almost all of whom were NHS and social care staff working on the front line.

In addition, 5,215 further people have received their second dose of the vaccine - 2,053 aged under 80 and 3,162 aged over 80, the local NHS reported today.

Andy Williams, chief executive of the area's three clinical commissioning groups, said the number would have risen significantly in the past week.

[brucey]

26 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, this can't sit right, surely?

 

'Save lives, but we won't do what we can to help you save your own...'

 

No idea how easy it is to register with a GP these days, but that's all it takes to get a NHS number.

It's just that there is a field for 'NHS number' on the form to record who's had the vaccine for the national database.

This is apparently an optional field but some hospitals have mistakenly thought it was compulsory.

[Dunge]

36 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, this can't sit right, surely?

 

'Save lives, but we won't do what we can to help you save your own...'

 

This suggests to me that the NHS number is how they’re recording all the data on who’s had the vaccine and when. Which makes a lot of sense for the majority.

It needs fixing, I agree. But it looks like more of a logistical thing than a political one, and it likely presents an interesting database issue.

[yorkie1999]

11 minutes ago, brucey said:

No idea how easy it is to register with a GP these days, but that's all it takes to get a NHS number.

It's just that there is a field for 'NHS number' on the form to record who's had the vaccine for the national database.

This is apparently an optional field but some hospitals have mistakenly thought it was compulsory.

Wouldn’t it be wise for someone to just tell them.

[Benguin]

48 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Whatever side of the political spectrum you're on, this can't sit right, surely?

 

'Save lives, but we won't do what we can to help you save your own...'

 

I really hope this is down to an error or typo in the vaccine rollout documents rather the governments actual stance. If it’s the latter I’d wholeheartedly disagree! Not quite the same as expecting an immigrant soldier to fight for us without Kevlar but certainly similar in terms of the practicalities. Needs sorting. 

[fuchsntf]

32 minutes ago, Benguin said:

I really hope this is down to an error or typo in the vaccine rollout documents rather the governments actual stance. If it’s the latter I’d wholeheartedly disagree! Not quite the same as expecting an immigrant soldier to fight for us without Kevlar but certainly similar in terms of the practicalities. Needs sorting. 

Its come under this Govt.Admins watch....!!!!

That alone, like any disregard  and abuse of rights ( Moral or otherwise)  for any Govt.Service personelle...is The reason to  notch-up & remember Not to vote such a sleeze-bag of a Goverment and sitting politicians back into office...Past, present,future...But The electorate-Animal has Never had the balls to understand

the serving Government has been guilty of a total honourable ,moral derilict of duty. And has no Intention of serving,supporting  "all of its peoples"

When the Country is being threatened from the most dangerous enemy, pandemic in postmodern history...

Would be the same for any sitting Govt....No matter the Political divide..