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yorkie1999

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21 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Then we'll all end up in Russia anyways. :D

 

And on the original point, I don't think either side are playing silly buggers. The eu have messed up their precurement and are trying to save face and as far as I'm aware the UK government haven't done anything wrong (in regards to getting the vaccines). They are already in enough shit with all the failings from the get go, if they then sent some of our order, which has been agreed to, paid for and made here over to the eu I think we'd see some real problems. Nothing wrong with helping yourself before others, I'm sure once all our lot are jabbed we'll happily ship everything left to the (hopefully but doubtfully thankful) EU. :D

I'd be shipping it to countries within the EU that could become a political ally, such as Greece and Italy, just to screw over the French and Germans.

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The worry is that the EU is threatening to ban export of the Pfizer vaccine to the UK with the result that the people who have had one jab won't get their second.  I reckon the Pfizer jab ought to be immediately redirected at second jabs only and the Astrazeneca jab continue as at present.

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On the EU/AZ issue - I hate the Tories but imagine the levels of abuse they would have received on here in the shoe was on the other foot. Not sure there would have been as many ' have a heart and share your vaccines' posts there would have been.

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1 hour ago, dsr-burnley said:

The worry is that the EU is threatening to ban export of the Pfizer vaccine to the UK with the result that the people who have had one jab won't get their second.  I reckon the Pfizer jab ought to be immediately redirected at second jabs only and the Astrazeneca jab continue as at present.

I wouldn’t worry too much.  Cooler heads are far more likely to prevail in the EU.  Legally and morally they don’t have a leg to stand on.  
 

What will probably happen (now tempers are cooling) is that the eu and az will book some more vaccine manufacturing capacity within the Eu and set that up. 

 

in the short term they are more likely to trade Pfizer vaccines for AZ ones that we have in order to help with their delivery chains that aren’t set up for the cold storage.
 

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January47

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4 hours ago, Stivo said:

It is certainly a lot more nuanced, and from what I can understand it actually reflects very well on the UK government.

 

Firstly in talking about vaccine manufacture, we need to understand the scale.  This is nothing like the scale of a car factory or brewing plant. 
 

In order to make a million doses you need to produce just 200L of adrenovirus.  ( two domestic baths full). That process takes a month. What you need is a sterile clean room, a bioreactor ( a metal tank the size of a fridge freezer) plus some other equipment for various process steps ( and some highly skilled people).

 

At the start of the pandemic the uk worried about vaccine nationalism and decided that it needed a strategic vaccine manufacturing capability.  It created a non profit called VMIC and funded it to build a dedicated vaccine manufacturing and research centre which should open in the summer this year.  It’s in Oxford.

 

https://www.vmicuk.com

 

Now in the short term, although there was no major vaccine manufacturer in the U.K. there were some university spin-offs that were capable of manufacturing.  So the uk created a virtual VMIC consortium capable of temporary manufacturing until the real VMIC is complete.  This consists of Oxford biomedica, Cobra in Keele ,wockhart  in Wrexham and Halix in Holland.  VMIC provided two extra bioreactors ( I guess these will eventually move to the main VMIC) and funded the expansion of the Biomedica site to fit them in.

 

https://www.ukri.org/news/uks-rapid-response-vaccines-manufacturing-centre-now-approved/

 

Astra Zeneca were chosen by Oxford university to commercialise and deliver the vaccine.  Astra Zeneca do not so far as I know own any vaccine manufacturing sites.  Their delivery model e.g in India as an example is therefore that they contract with a local partner to do the manufacturing.

 

When the uk government signed a deal with AZ, I would guess that the UK  said to them here are the local suppliers that we have chosen for you to use.  The UK and AZ would therefore I assume have signed a contract to deliver using the UK virtual VMIC and the contract from what it sounds like would have restricted their use for other deliveries until the UK had received its doses.

 

Whe the EU approached AZ they planned to deliver to them using Halix ( as the UK seemingly no longer needed it),  a company in Belgium, a company in Germany for the bottling and later expand using the U.K. companies ( cobra and Oxford) when they had completed the U.K.


it would seem that at least at the top level the EU didn’t understand this.

 

 

 

 

Good post and some info I didn't know

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ealingfox

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4 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

The EU expects us to bend over and help them after trying to shaft us when we had the sheer audacity to leave their cosy cartel.

 

 

How exactly did they try and 'shaft' us? What did they do that was so underhanded in comparison to our own government during the saga? This is just proper victim complex rubbish and its embarrassing.

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Could we see a number of first doses decrease whilst people come back for second doses? Or is that too simplistic?

 

Our local PHE person released a statement saying how annoyed he is that the North West have been asked to slow down capacity to allow London and South East to catch up :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

 

How exactly did they try and 'shaft' us? What did they do that was so underhanded in comparison to our own government during the saga? This is just proper victim complex rubbish and its embarrassing.

Well, they've banned lorry drivers from being able to carry ham sandwiches in their lunchboxes for a start.

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36 minutes ago, Blue-fox said:

I honestly cannot see how the EU can demand vaccines from the uk, which was negotiated before theirs. And then block ours from Belgium, which once again was negotiated before theirs. 
 

 

They can’t and from what I can gather, the EU haven’t even approved the AZ vaccine yet. Requiring 26 signatures can sometimes be a problem.

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19 minutes ago, Super_horns said:
Another vaccine ready to be approved?
 
 
Good news but there is a down side as it’s only 50% effective against the South African variant.

It can also be manufactured in teeside ( it’s totally different tech to AstraZeneca or the mRNA vaccines) which may help if the eu get silly.

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24 minutes ago, Super_horns said:
Another vaccine ready to be approved?
 
 
Good news but there is a down side as it’s only 50% effective against the South African variant.

Don't worry about the SA variant, our variant is more transmissible which should mean, in a twisted way, that the SA variant will never get a foothold. Or not until a very high % of the population have been vaccinated and evolutionary pressure builds (by which time we'll have a booster for other variants). 

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10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Don't worry about the SA variant, our variant is more transmissible which should mean, in a twisted way, that the SA variant will never get a foothold. Or not until a very high % of the population have been vaccinated and evolutionary pressure builds (by which time we'll have a booster for other variants). 

I was discussing this with a friend last week, and I argued exactly the same as you.  
But is it actually true that the uk variant is known to be more transmissible than the SA  variant?  They are both more transmissible than the original?  I do agree that if they are about the same then you are correct.

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1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Don't worry about the SA variant, our variant is more transmissible which should mean, in a twisted way, that the SA variant will never get a foothold. Or not until a very high % of the population have been vaccinated and evolutionary pressure builds (by which time we'll have a booster for other variants). 

All hail British covid :scarf:

 

Seriously though, twisted you're right, but it is nice that the rand8m variation in all this might work in our favour.

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7 hours ago, ealingfox said:

How exactly did they try and 'shaft' us? What did they do that was so underhanded in comparison to our own government during the saga? This is just proper victim complex rubbish and its embarrassing.

They hated us leaving. They made it damn difficult to leave. Not victim complex at all.

I voted remain but we're well shot of the EU.

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