Coronavirus Thread

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

Yeah that's fair enough, the lady who shared it booked hers yesterday and had it this afternoon, but she hasn't said whether or not she was actually questioned about being eligible, she doesn't fall within the groups on the website though

 

[Strokes]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

 

That’s not how you edit a post debs 

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Strokes said:

That’s not how you edit a post debs 

Yeah I know, I really don't know what happened there?  I've tried to correct it and just made it worse 

[Strokes]

18 minutes ago, Houdini Logic said:

I'd be the suspicious of the fact it says the opposite of what you're saying!

It says it's not open to all adults and goes as far as saying the rumours circulating online to the contrary should be reported to the hopsital

 

Don't get me wrong I'd love this to be true and I hope they change it and prove me wrong but as it is I can see a lot of people being turned away for not being eligible for a vaccine (and not to mention the wasted spaces for people who are)

Ah shit,

Ive booked it now, I’ll just grass debs up if I get knobbled.

[Strokes]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

Yeah I know, I really don't know what happened there?  I've tried to correct it and just made it worse 

I’ve done it loads

They've altered the layout and I couldn’t get my head around it for ages.

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Ah shit,

Ive booked it now, I’ll just grass debs up if I get knobbled.

Keep us informed Guinea pig. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Just got a text, saying I can call to book my vaccination. I'm 27, with no underlying issues. 

 

Can't be right surely?

What I heard was that they're just sending vaccines to surgeries regardless of how many patients are registered so could be that you're just lucky that they have a load.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Cases levelling, deaths still dropping. I'll take that as a positive.

[Strokes]

55 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Keep us informed Guinea pig. 

I reckon I’ll be able too blag it what with my good looks and charming personality. You might struggle mind.

[Buce]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

I reckon I’ll be able too blag it what with me looking about 65. You might struggle mind.

 

[Parafox]

4 hours ago, davieG said:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56508369

Covid: The London bus trip that saved maybe a million lives
By James Gallagher
Health and science correspondent

Published13 hours ago

The Recovery trial was set up in March 2020 to test existing drugs on Covid patients, to see if they had an effect on the disease. The findings of the trial have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

As the Number 18 bus wove through the London traffic, two passengers were deep in conversation. What they agreed on the pre-lockdown roads near Euston would change the course of the pandemic and possibly the future of medicine.

It would unite researchers, the NHS and 40,000 Covid patients in an endeavour uniquely suited to a national public health service. It would save the lives of hundreds of thousands of Covid patients around the world. It would create the UK's Recovery trial.

The two bus passengers were Prof Martin Landray, a doctor and designer of large-scale drug trials, and Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, one of the world's biggest funders of medical research - and one of the funders of Recovery.

The date was 9 March 2020. The pair were discussing the impending pandemic, the scenes coming out of Italy, which was the first country in Europe to feel the devastating impact of the virus, and the inevitability of the UK facing the same.

"What we agreed on that bus trip was that the tsunami would arrive within a couple of weeks and we had to have a trial up and running within two weeks," Prof Landray told Inside Health on BBC Radio 4.

"Nine days later the first patient was enrolled and the past year has been nothing short of extraordinary."

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Two weeks earlier, Prof Landray had emailed Sir Jeremy to stress the importance of trials. In one of the most important moments of scientific matchmaking, Sir Jeremy would reply: "You'd better talk to Peter."

Alarm bells had been ringing for Prof Peter Horby since 2 January when reports of "viral pneumonia" were emerging out of Wuhan, China. To him it had all the features of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (or Sars) in 2003.

"It was pretty clear to me there was a problem that could get out of control if we weren't careful," said Prof Horby, a preeminent expert in new and emerging diseases.

He had already helped establish two drug trials in Wuhan, but the lockdown there meant they did not provide any results.

'Wards were heaving'
Together Prof Horby and Prof Landray would form the scientific axis that would define the treatment of Covid.

They were driven by the mistakes of the past. The danger in a pandemic is everyone runs around like headless chickens with scientists and doctors acting alone, each testing different treatments in small numbers of patients; creating lots of noise, but no answers.

It was pretty clear to me there was a problem that could get out of control if we weren't careful
Peter Horby
Recovery Trial co-lead
The noise was already building. Trials on a dozen patients or experiments on cells in a dish were held up as proof. Even President Trump was proclaiming the benefits of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine when the evidence was somewhere between scant and non-existent.

The goal of Recovery - Randomised Evaluation of Covid-19 Therapy - was to deliver clarity amid the chaos.

There were four keys to Recovery's success:

It was up and running fast, in a world where trials can take more than a year to set up
It was large, involving every acute hospital and one-in-10 Covid patients in the UK, so it could even find drugs that had only a moderate benefit
Patients were randomly allocated to get either standard care or an experimental drug, so doctors could see the difference between the two
And it was simple
It stands in stark contrast to the modern clinical trial, which heaves under the weight of bureaucracy, contracts with every hospital, strict criteria about participants and a mass of work for those measuring and collecting data.

If the trial was going to succeed it needed to work on wards under intense pressure.

"The wards were heaving, clinicians were drowning with sick patients, for a clinical trial to work it cannot interfere with care," says Dr Raha West, an intensive care doctor in Buckinghamshire, who would lead the trial at her hospital.

"The Recovery trial makes it easy."

Prof Landray says they "stripped everything away" to make Recovery so basic that enrolling a patient on the trial would be almost as easy as prescribing the drug.

Martin LandrayMartin Landray
I think Recovery has set a new standard for what can be delivered and not just for pandemics
Prof Martin Landray
Recovery Trial co-lead
One of the early challenges was deciding which drugs should be involved. Coronavirus was a new entity, an unknown with no rulebook to follow.

Prof Horby and Prof Landray selected the most promising drugs from similar diseases or the small amount of Covid research.

If the patient was happy to take part, their doctor would select on a computer which of the drugs currently on the trial were safe given their patient's medical history and the computer would decide which drugs were given.

The drug dexamethasone, an old and cheap steroid that had already been used in respiratory infections, quickly became a source of controversy. The backlash was hard and swift with the pair accused of unethical and dangerous behaviour. Dexamethasone calms the immune system and some argued that was the worst thing you could do when the body was fighting an infection.

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"I've got a drawer full of letters telling me I'm killing people," Prof Horby told me. Reassuringly, he also has a drawer of "love letters and praise mail".

Jumping for joy
Every drug they tried was put on the trial because they thought there was a chance it would work. Dexamethasone was the first that did.

Just shy of 100 days after that fateful bus journey, Prof Landray and Prof Horby were preparing to tell the world. They knew they were about to change treatment for patients everywhere and had spent a week repeatedly going over the numbers to be sure.

On 16 June they were ready.

"It was a beautiful, beautiful result", says Prof Landray. Prof Horby remembers his boss jumping for joy on the other end of a video call - smart shirt on top, red shorts on the bottom - when he passed on the results.

media captionKatherine Millbank spent 15 days in hospital and was put on the drug trial
If you were on ventilation, like Katherine Millbank, it cut the chance of dying by a third. She was one of the first patients to get the drug on the trial. When nurses peeled back the curtains around her bed the whole of intensive care was applauding her.

"I'm just so eternally grateful to all of them for saving me," she told Inside Health.

Four hours after the announcement, treatment with dexamethasone became NHS policy and the rest of the world swiftly followed.

Dr Raha West burst into tears when the results came in. She had become known as "dex finger" as nearly every patient she enrolled onto the trial ended up getting dexamethasone.

"I will never forget it, it was very emotional."

Dexamethasone alone is now estimated to have saved hundreds of thousands of lives; possibly more than a million.

Recovery showed another drug, tocilizumab, also saves lives. But just as importantly it found the duds. The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, the HIV combo lopinavir/ritonavir and the antibiotic azithromycin had all been hyped up, but ultimately shown to have no effect.

Its success has depended on the willingness of patients, in one of the most frightening moments of their lives, to take part.

Aiden Temple
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image captionAiden Temple took part in the trial
Ten-year-old Aiden Temple, who had a rare immune disorder after catching the virus, just wanted to make a difference.

"It was very scary, but I felt quite proud if I could help other people get better quickly," he said.

It also took the efforts of thousands of doctors and nurses, as well as a hard-core team of about 20 scientists in Oxford, to collect and analyse the data.

Recovery has delivered something no other trial has quite managed. It is already guaranteed a place in the history books for its role in Covid alone. The hope is it will be the catalyst for change throughout medicine with Recovery-style trials delivering answers on the best treatments for other infections, like Lassa fever, or finally showing whether Vitamin D pills are the cure-all they are often claimed to be.

Prof Landray told me: "I think it has set a new standard for what can be delivered and not just for pandemics.

"It would be a travesty if we went back to a situation where it takes years sometimes to get a trial off the ground."

There should be knighthoods or OBE's at least for the professors. We have them to thank for initiating the development of the trials and the resulting successful vaccines.

[Innovindil]

43 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I reckon I’ll be able too blag it what with my good looks and charming personality. You might struggle mind.

[Ian Nacho]

I reckon this vaccine passport malarkey is just a ploy to ensure everyone has and takes the vaccine. 

[Spudulike]

2 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

I reckon this vaccine passport malarkey is just a ploy to ensure everyone has and takes the vaccine. 

Could be. Hope the ploy works. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

 

[foxfanazer]

26 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

****ing hell it's hard enough to organise a night out as it is.

[Samilktray]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

This has to be a joke  fvcking hell imagine 

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

I'm sure someone or several someones will come up with a paper (or phone app, as well) imitation certificate that will pass muster with the average pub bouncer.  After all, they will have to have a paper equivalent for the people who don't, won't or can't use internet phones.

[Dan]

6 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

I reckon this vaccine passport malarkey is just a ploy to ensure everyone has and takes the vaccine. 

I think this as well and think it works. Heard plenty who say things like "I don't want a vaccine passport and I'm not in a rush to have the vaccine but if they make us have a passport I'll get it", just rumours to encourage the take up. I find the concept of vaccine passports appalling and the fact some support the idea is a sign of how far we've regressed as a society in a year, but I suppose if it does turn out to just be a rumour to encourage people then so be it. I remember similar rumours floating about just before the roadmap was announced that were worse than what it turned out to be.

 

That 24 hour thing is too daft to laugh at. Absolutely ridiculous and there's no way it could work properly even if they implemented. So ridiculous that I'm calling bullshit.

Edited 26 March 2021 by Dan LCFC

[Vindaloo FOX]

I'm living in Thailand in a tourist town, we don't have much covid here but so many people have lost jobs and bussinesses, including myself.

 

It's pretty awful, mostly for the Thai folk, they are dead broke now, suicide and drug addictions are sky high at the moment.

 

No real government handouts.

 

Hope we can open our borders soon to tourism.

[Sly]

9 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

I reckon this vaccine passport malarkey is just a ploy to ensure everyone has and takes the vaccine. 

Without a shadow of a doubt. 
 

If every country believes it works though, then I don’t see the issue in carrying a E-passport as part of the NHS Track and Trace App to be honest. 
 

We all have smart phones. Roll it into that. It may be forcing the hand with a certain demographic, however if it road maps the route to normal, I’m okay with it. 
 

As for the malarkey that they’re tracking up with these vaccinations .......... my iPhone, laptop, watch, hundreds of apps do that already. Welcome to technology. 

Edited 26 March 2021 by Sly

[Sly]

8 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

****ing hell it's hard enough to organise a night out as it is.

Okay ....... who’s got a printer 

[Buce]

7 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

I'm sure someone or several someones will come up with a paper (or phone app, as well) imitation certificate that will pass muster with the average pub bouncer.  After all, they will have to have a paper equivalent for the people who don't, won't or can't use internet phones.

 

A few children's crayons and and an old envelope should do it...

[Innovindil]

14 hours ago, Strokes said:

I reckon I’ll be able too blag it what with my good looks and charming personality. You might struggle mind.

Officials expect a slowdown in vaccine supplies in April - and medics will be focusing on providing second doses.

 

Ministers say the plan to offer a first dose to all adults by July is on track.

 

But NHS England said no first appointments should be booked next month for the under-50s unless they fall into a higher-priority group, such as those who are clinically vulnerable. 

 

Enjoy prison lad. 

 

[yorkie1999]

24 minutes ago, Sly said:

Without a shadow of a doubt. 
 

If every country believes it works though, then I don’t see the issue in carrying a E-passport as part of the NHS Track and Trace App to be honest. 
 

We all have smart phones. Roll it into that. It may be forcing the hand with a certain demographic, however if it road maps the route to normal, I’m okay with it. 
 

As for the malarkey that they’re tracking up with these vaccinations .......... my iPhone, laptop, watch, hundreds of apps do that already. Welcome to technology. 

Or if we haven't, we could always get a small chip injected.