Man City CAS

[Pliskin]

There’s no way they will get punished. They will get a pathetic fine and a transfer ban that will ultimately get lifted so they can sign players. The whole system is a joke. Juve were punished for their underhanded tactics, so Man City should be. But it’s all pointless because they will be allowed to just carry on as they were. 

[surrifox]

I hate Man City as a construct but they are needed to prevent $hithouses  like Arsenal , Spurs and Newcastle from winning the thing 

[David Hankey]

2 minutes ago, surrifox said:

I hate Man City as a construct but they are needed to prevent $hithouses  like Arsenal , Spurs and Newcastle from winning the thing 

No they don't, not unfairly.

[sacreblueits442]

9 hours ago, Predator595 said:

Should do a Juventus and relegate them!

...to league 2...!!!

[Mark_w]

4 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

No they don't, not unfairly.

Nobody wins it fairly. With possibly one exception.

[CWC1983]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

You and me both know deep down nothing of note will happen.

Sheikh Mansoor  will have his million lawyers on this already looking for a loophole.

FA will report back " Lessons will be learnt for future".

I.e move on, nothing to see here.

 

It's a disgrace and feck all we can do.

 

Fans could protest. Fans can let their own board know they won't buy season tickets next year. 

 

That's what happened when the SFA were going to let Rangers enter the SPL and the boards backed down.

 

Half empty stadiums don't look so appealing for Sky TV. 

 

Look what happened to the European super league when the fans turned. 

[HankMarvin]

4 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

Nobody wins it fairly. With possibly one exception.

But that could also be argued back to administration 

[Mark_w]

Just now, HankMarvin said:

But that could also be argued back to administration 

And breaching Championship FFP, but on the other hand shut up.

[Weller Wing]

5 minutes ago, CWC1983 said:

Fans could protest. Fans can let their own board know they won't buy season tickets next year. 

 

That's what happened when the SFA were going to let Rangers enter the SPL and the boards backed down.

 

Half empty stadiums don't look so appealing for Sky TV. 

 

Look what happened to the European super league when the fans turned. 

The super league is there for the paying global TV audience. 

The clubs don't give a shite if,for example  Man Utd play Madrid in Tokyo at 10am our time for their loyal fans that travel all over to follow their team and won't care if they're there or not.

 

The tickets will go to other ,probably corporate fans, but the grounds will be full and the PPV will make loads.

 

You've only got to see how many turn up in Australia or America when top European clubs go out for pre season tours.

 

You don't think those grounds that were built in Qatar were just built for the World Cup do you?

 

They'll pay big to get our clubs to play in those stadiums and our clubs are greedy enough to take it ,as we already know 

[Aus Fox]

I’m surprised how many people seem to think nothing will happen from this. I know how big clubs have been let off in the past, but the more I read about this, it’s very different. 
This is a slow and thorough investigation and there are over 100 breaches of the rules. I think this is bigger than anything we’ve seen before, I also think it will take a long time before they are punished as the authorities want to get this right. Unlike last time when the CAS appeal got them off.

I expect this to be the biggest punishment we’ve seen in English sport when it’s all finalised.

[Ginger_Filbert]

That might be Madders big club move out the window, Newcastle move back on 😢

[Aus Fox]

1 minute ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

That might be Madders big club move out the window, Newcastle move back on 😢

I’m not sure how these two things are even remotely linked??

[Spudulike]

22 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

And breaching Championship FFP, but on the other hand shut up.

Once again... 

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43146018.amp

 

[Mark_w]

Just now, Spudulike said:

Once again... 

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43146018.amp

Are you contesting what I said? We did breach FFP, paying to settle it after we'd been promoted and acquired an awful lot of money doesn't make it any fairer. Personally I don't care at all, FFP is a bullshit attempt to ensure top flight success is limited to a handful of football clubs.

[sacreblueits442]

.. Rugby Union top team Saracens had a points deduction and were relegated for paying their players off the books!!!

  They were out of the top league for a season and now they are back again, virtually with the same team and are now the top team again.

  So far as they and their fans are concerned, they have paid their dues and we should stop talking about it. That points deduction made no difference to them in anyway, demote them all the way down, let them play in league 2, let them boost the gate receipts of the teams scraping everyday to make ends meet.

This is 10 years of knowing they were cheating and deciding, so long as they don't get caught, it is all OK. It was premeditated, this is not an accident!!!

Edited 6 February 2023 by sacreblueits442
Spelling error.

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, Scotch said:

Um, sorry but I'm not certain that this response is relevant to the discussion we were having. 

 

I'm not sure how other clubs will respond and truth be told, not only do I not understand FFP rules but I don't believe that there is anyone alive that does. 

 

My response was with regards to you comparing this and Man City's future punishment with what happened at Rangers and the consequences they got. They aren't the same thing. 

I think this is more about breaking league rules concerning financial affairs to secure success, not necessarily ffp rules, which Man City have been committing underhand tactics for years, they had that extension built for an extra 8000 fans when they couldn’t sell all the tickets before they had it built  and they were almost giving tickets away, reason being, how the rules worked meant that if a club  had the potential to sell more tickets, then they could spend accordingly, in other words, the more seats the more potential sales and the more money a club could spend,  whether you sell them or not. They’ve just applied for another 6000 seat ground expansion… wonder why.

[David Hankey]

Until the authorities take the bull by the horns, so to speak, and relegate these miscreants nothing will change.

 

Relegation is a more appropriate punishment than a fine.

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Once again... 

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43146018.amp

 

Didn’t you read the guardian article linked in the other thread ?

 

we did what we had to in order to appear to meet EFL ffp - but it was still against the rules and we knew what we were doing or we wouldn’t have put the money through a shell Co in Sheffield 

 

It was on a five hundred times smaller scale than Man City have been doing and just their breaches to hide salary payments is on another level …. We’ve suffered because we’ve struggled to meet ffp - those who have abused it with contempt should suffer a lot more - but since when was life ever fair ?

[Claridge]

Help us, if they relegate them this season or even next

[st albans fox]

I assume that it will take 14 clubs to approve  any heavy sanctions recommended by the enquiry 

 

newcastle - difficult call for them 

arsenal - probably vote with 

Man Utd - looking for new owners who could be Middle Eastern state - would they want to set a precedent that they could inadvertently fall foul of in the future? 
liverpool - see man utd

spurs - levy may also be looking for Middle East investment 

Brighton - not sure what bloom would do 

Brentford- banham would probably vote with

fulham - don’t think Kahn would vote with 

Chelsea - boehly likely to vote against because of possible issues there if they can’t sell enough players 

villa - against

palace - not sure

forest - probably against

Leicester - our previous votes on stuff indicates we would oppose but not sure now 

wolves - not sure

West Ham - not sure

leeds - radrazani v unpredictable 

everton - would oppose

bournemouth - no idea 

soton - don’t know the background of their owners 

 

it’s going to be v tough to get 14 clubs to approve a big sanction 

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Didn’t you read the guardian article linked in the other thread ?

 

we did what we had to in order to appear to meet EFL ffp - but it was still against the rules and we knew what we were doing or we wouldn’t have put the money through a shell Co in Sheffield 

 

It was on a five hundred times smaller scale than Man City have been doing and just their breaches to hide salary payments is on another level …. We’ve suffered because we’ve struggled to meet ffp - those who have abused it with contempt should suffer a lot more - but since when was life ever fair ?

I did read it. I remember it at the time. All very interesting but unless the EFL are dodgy then nothing was done that was worthy of further investigation. 

[st albans fox]

16 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

I did read it. I remember it at the time. All very interesting but unless the EFL are dodgy then nothing was done that was worthy of further investigation. 

The efl weren’t ‘dodgy’ - they just accepted the reality of the situation which was they couldn’t impose any sanction on us until we dropped back into the EFL so both parties agreed a wording which looked after their interest and the EFL got a few million into their pot in  2018 rather than maybe never …….

[HybridFox]

Love how things like this get punished instead

[Sly]

My personal opinion is that FFP is a stupid rule, that is used to keep the elite clubs elite and smaller clubs where they are. If Manchester City aren’t sanctioned, then we may as well just scrap this entire farce of a financial stability system m.
 

As someone said, we don’t need another Leicester. It’s strangled us as a club, when clearly we had the potential to push on further. 

 

I understand why they put rules in place, as we don’t want clubs going pop. However let’s be realistic, the likes of Manchester City and Newcastle aren’t going to do that. They’ve used creative accounting to get them where their money allowed them to go.

 

I can’t see the Premier League ever putting a salary cap in, as all of the big name players will go and play abroad (I think this happened in Rugby). 

Football and especially the Premier League has always had money. Where it sits as what changes. 
 

Just off the top of my head, thinking of some of the crash and burn bankruptcy projects in world football at Parma, Anzhi, Hearts, Xamax, Portsmouth, Rangers, Leeds, Fiorentina, Coventry, Wimbledon, Wigan, Cadiz etc It has always happened, it’s business, it happens every day unfortunately. 

 

Thats before you even discuss the dodgy dealings of La Ligas Barcalona and Real Madrid, who are poor hypocrites for throwing stones from their glass houses about the “Premier League financial wrong doings and money doping”. 

Most of Serie A is technically bankrupt. 
 

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Premier League is the Super League. It’s a Billionaires play thing and it’ll only be a matter of time if FFP becomes defunct, that all clubs are state owned and it’s a dick swinging contest.

[Sly]

3 hours ago, TK95 said:

Love how things like this get punished instead

Played 14, 7 wins, 7 draws I believe.

 

Belgium Manager but British patents, who was living in Preston when he was 17.
 

Youngest Manager in the top 5 leagues.

 

He is studying for his UEFA Pro License. He’s doing it in Belgium, hence why he took the job originally at Liege I believe, as it was closer for him to study. Reims asked him to come back after they sacked their other coach. 

 

He cites his love for coaching from playing Football / Championship Manager as a youngster, smashing the space bar until 3AM, whilst studying a football degree 

 

Apparently Reims are discussing it with Ligue 1, as he couldn’t get onto the course any earlier due to his age.  

 

He’s one to watch for sure.