gurru991 Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 1 hour ago, dsr-burnley said: I'm concerned, but not enough to spoil my day. As long as he understands rule 1 - Sean Dyche is the main man, don't upset him too much. I doubt very much that he will be there after the Summer. The new owners will have more ambition than just staying up.
Pub breath Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 4 hours ago, ealingfox said: Its Bielsa that has the rep, not Leeds as a club specifically. Sorry but if they ended up losing 10 of the last 12 games and scraping survival then they absolutely would look very stupid and you can bet people would be digging up this incident in droves. I don't see how it would make Leeds look stupid. The issue is that she made out that Covid was the only reason we got promoted. It isn't a prediction for how things might go this season. We were not just winning pre Covid, we were playing the best football of the season and looking unstoppable. First games back, a 2-0 defeat.... My feelings are that it was nothing but a bit of Twitter "banter" and if she's willing to make stupid and pretty disrespectful remarks on TV, she should we willing to be called out for it. However, I think on balance, it would have been better to respond without making her such a target. I then feel a bit conflicted as I'm not sure I'd feel the same way if it was Roy Keane who had said it. Does that make me the sexist one, the Twitter administrator or the people being offended on behalf of a lady? I have no insight into the sort of abuse she has received but I'm sure some is very regrettable. I ****ing despise Internet trolls, Leeds or otherwise. 1
RonnieTodger Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 1 hour ago, Abrasive fox said: Naming agbonlahor in the same sentence is massively unfair. The bloke is a troll and unashamedly says stuff to wind people up. Very very different imo. He is, but the accusation that Leeds are “bullying” her because she’s a woman is wrong for that very reason. It was a little odd that the official Leeds account highlighted it, like some nerd on football twitter, but they weren’t wrong in what they said. They also aren’t responsible for the sexist knuckle draggers over-the-top responses. The abuse that Michael Owen, Robbie Savage, Andy Townsend etc get when they say something lazy is sadly just part of their jobs. Granted they’re not very good at punditry, but this a massive mountain out of a molehill as far as I’m concerned. 3
ealingfox Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Pub breath said: I don't see how it would make Leeds look stupid. The issue is that she made out that Covid was the only reason we got promoted. It isn't a prediction for how things might go this season. We were not just winning pre Covid, we were playing the best football of the season and looking unstoppable. First games back, a 2-0 defeat.... My feelings are that it was nothing but a bit of Twitter "banter" and if she's willing to make stupid and pretty disrespectful remarks on TV, she should we willing to be called out for it. However, I think on balance, it would have been better to respond without making her such a target. I then feel a bit conflicted as I'm not sure I'd feel the same way if it was Roy Keane who had said it. Does that make me the sexist one, the Twitter administrator or the people being offended on behalf of a lady? I have no insight into the sort of abuse she has received but I'm sure some is very regrettable. I ****ing despise Internet trolls, Leeds or otherwise. Because the club have stuck your neck out getting all pissy because somebody suggested you might blow up at the end of the season, which you did two years ago and Bielsa's teams at other clubs have done before that. We'll never know if you would have done the same thing last year. Now the club's made a big deal out of it, if you do in fact go on to blow up at the end of this season, you'll have egg on your face. Not that hard to understand really. I'm not saying you will and I'm not bothered about debating the likelihood, but the best thing to do would have just been to keep quiet and go on to not blow up, doing the talking on the pitch. Unfortunately now the club have made you look petty and small-time, although I understand they've been doing that for a good while now. Edited 30 December 2020 by ealingfox 1
murphy Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Roll on Newcastle V Liverpool! Although reading page after page about some pundit expressing a mildly controversial opinion and provoking a slight rebuke from Leeds media bods is really very fascinating. 2
Pub breath Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 13 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Because the club have stuck your neck out getting all pissy because somebody suggested you might blow up at the end of the season, which you did two years ago and Bielsa's teams at other clubs have done before that. We'll never know if you would have done the same thing last year. Now the club's made a big deal out of it, if you do in fact go on to blow up at the end of this season, you'll have egg on your face. Not that hard to understand really. I'm not saying you will and I'm not bothered about debating the likelihood, but the best thing to do would have just been to keep quiet and go on to not blow up, doing the talking on the pitch. Unfortunately now the club have made you look petty and small-time, although I understand they've been doing that for a good while now. That wasn't the point responded to. The only thing responded to was the assertion that we went up because of Covid, no wider point addressed. If we blow up this season, it won't make the response any less valid. We were in great form up to Covid up to 39 games. More than the PL. She just hadn't done her research.
Babylon Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 18 minutes ago, Pub breath said: That wasn't the point responded to. The only thing responded to was the assertion that we went up because of Covid, no wider point addressed. If we blow up this season, it won't make the response any less valid. We were in great form up to Covid up to 39 games. More than the PL. She just hadn't done her research. Your last 17 games in all comps was W7 D4 L6. The five games before lockdown were all against pretty crap bottom half teams. Not exactly convincing. 1
jammie82uk Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 5 minutes ago, StanSP said: 9-0 might be under threat... Wonder what our stats was in them categories when we won the league
Carl the Llama Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Nice to see the pundits making the obligatory comments about Newcastle's passionate fans, was worried without them present it might be forgotten about.
Hoopla10 Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 2 hours ago, BenTheFox said: Very well put. Her comments were lazy and uninformed. Not only were Leeds likely to win the title whether or not there was a break due to the pandemic, they also don't just win football matches by 'outrunning the opposition'. They've shown genuinely quality some coming up and I for one have really enjoyed watching them. The fact that beat a team 5-0 away from home that came up with them shows how much better they were than the rest of the championship. Like she's the first pundit to say a lazy and uninformed comment. Jeez, if we get this backlash everytime they did we'd get nothing but pile-ons (Last Saturday midday MOTD two pundits (Osman and Lawrence) literally said we'd do what Karen said what Leeds would and for the same reason). I don't remember the same response from anybody, let alone our club's official social media feed. I can't stand social media and avoid it but the fact remains her one comment (uninformed or not) would get thousands of angry (often highly abusive) comments in return. Personally I don't think ANY pundit of ANY gender should get that. But what can you do, there's a lot of idiot people out there. But in my opinion Leed's own official social media account should stay well out of it. To join in just makes them as bad (not that I'm surprised). Not that it matters but I agree with her comment. I'm not saying for a fact she's right, but it strikes me odds are in her favor she's got a good point given the pattern of results in previous seasons. She's also pointing at a reason for their late season decline (their high work rate). COVID disrupted that and gave them time to bring their energy levels back up. It's a compelling argument. Personally I think COVID disrupted the season so much anything post-lockdown was kind of tenuous and artificial (yeah and that includes us dropping out of the top 4). Some teams thrived (for whatever reason) and some dropped away. It was an unnatural last quarter of the season.
Pub breath Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 10 minutes ago, Babylon said: Your last 17 games in all comps was W7 D4 L6. The five games before lockdown were all against pretty crap bottom half teams. Not exactly convincing. Well, we can't control how the fixtures come out so a bit of an odd point to make. Regardless, it was convincing because we didn't concede a single goal across those games and played the best football of the season. We dominated those games. The last game before that was Brentford away and we should have won that too but got a draw. How does any of that point to a team burning out or running out of gas?
SecretPro Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Leeds are a polished turd. It will soon tarnish and start to stink again. 1
Arkie Bennett Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 It's unusual to see Newcastle's stadium empty before they've gone two-nil down.
Babylon Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 11 minutes ago, Pub breath said: Well, we can't control how the fixtures come out so a bit of an odd point to make. Regardless, it was convincing because we didn't concede a single goal across those games and played the best football of the season. We dominated those games. The last game before that was Brentford away and we should have won that too but got a draw. How does any of that point to a team burning out or running out of gas? Pointing out you played a load of cannon fodder isn't an odd point to make.
StanSP Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Robertson down injured for Liverpool. Cue the media only caring about Liverpool's injuries... 1
Vacamion Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Important football related question: Does Newcastle's Wilson have shaped eyebrows?
Pub breath Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 1 minute ago, Babylon said: Pointing out you played a load of cannon fodder isn't an odd point to make. Well it is because two were decent mid table teams for a start and one other was a Yorkshire derby against a team who want to beat us as one of their main priorities. It was also odd because those just happened to be the fixtures pre Covid. If we'd lost them all, played badly or even just been unconvincing then she would have some sort of point. None of those things happened, we romped those games so how can she go from that to "wouldn't have gone up without Covid"? It simply doesn't stand up to logical analysis. We spent the whole season in the top bloody 2.
Arkie Bennett Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 6 minutes ago, StanSP said: Robertson down injured for Liverpool. Cue the media only caring about Liverpool's injuries... Running like a greyhound two minutes later. 1
StanSP Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Just now, Arkie Bennett said: Running like a greyhound two minutes later. Bruno Fernandes-esque.
David Hankey Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 We need L'pool to stumble. Are the Tykes up to it?
Vacamion Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 1 minute ago, Pub breath said: Well it is because two were decent mid table teams for a start and one other was a Yorkshire derby against a team who want to beat us as one of their main priorities. It was also odd because those just happened to be the fixtures pre Covid. If we'd lost them all, played badly or even just been unconvincing then she would have some sort of point. None of those things happened, we romped those games so how can she go from that to "wouldn't have gone up without Covid"? It simply doesn't stand up to logical analysis. We spent the whole season in the top bloody 2. I really really DGAF about this whole thing, which has been massively boring and overblown, but when I read this, I could almost see a finger being jabbed at the reader Bravo. 1
Popular Post Vacamion Posted 30 December 2020 Popular Post Posted 30 December 2020 2 minutes ago, David Hankey said: We need L'pool to stumble. Are the Tykes up to it? Barnsley ? 6
oxtonfox Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Newcastle defying their ailments- if they play like this we will be in trouble on Sunday. Nothing bigger in football matches than momentum.
Tielemans63 Posted 30 December 2020 Posted 30 December 2020 Liverpool look knackered recently. Makes you wonder if the super intense press they've employed these past 3 or 4 years might be catching up with them a bit.
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