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US Presidential Election 2020

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LCFCCHRIS

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1 hour ago, That_Dude said:

He's toast, there's little legal ground for his lawsuits and he'll at best delay the inevitable. There will be a bit of riots and unrest in the following weeks. but it will die down eventually imo. 

 

It's still a pyrrhic victory for the Dems though. There was no blue wave and the fact that almost 70M voted for the orange chump, indicates that the Trumpism wasn't defeated. Far from it, his supporters aren't going anywhere and he deeply transformed the GOP. If not for Covid, I'm persuaded that Trump would've effortlessly won this election. Biden, or to be more accurate, Harris have their work cut out for them. 

 

That said, my bottle of champagne is ready.

Enjoy the champagne!!

Nothing wrong with people supporting trump, it's a choice for a reason and he's obviously done some good things for the country. His main issue is his brashness IMO, and inability to accept losses potentially with this one, I don't think Biden is a good candidate but as many have said they are settling for him. 

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1 hour ago, hackneyfox said:

People going on about how the US will now become a one party state which isn't good for democracy.

Fairly simple the GOP can reposition themselves to appeal to more of the younger and better educated, non WASP population.

 

Trump is about to be (he might already be there) the second most voted for man in US election history. 

 

He's losing the popular vote by only about 4m of from a voting population of near 240m.

 

It's currently 50.5% vs 47.8%, given he's the most awful, wannabe tinpot dictator fascist this election has been ridiculously close. 

 

The GOP are a long way from dead. 

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4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Trump is about to be (he might already be there) the second most voted for man in US election history. 

 

He's losing the popular vote by only about 4m of from a voting population of near 240m.

 

It's currently 50.5% vs 47.8%, given he's the most awful, wannabe tinpot dictator fascist this election has been ridiculously close. 

 

The GOP are a long way from dead. 

Kinda tells you all you need to know about America. 

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5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Trump is about to be (he might already be there) the second most voted for man in US election history. 

 

He's losing the popular vote by only about 4m of from a voting population of near 240m.

 

It's currently 50.5% vs 47.8%, given he's the most awful, wannabe tinpot dictator fascist this election has been ridiculously close. 

 

The GOP are a long way from dead. 

And that's the galling fact. It really shows how insular and self-obsessed much of America is. Those people will believe whatever comes out of his mouth, regardless of what the rest of the educated world can see. I don't like the term but, "rednecks" will treat him as the Messiah and ignore the ridiculousness of Donald Trump who will be exposed as a Psychopathic megalomaniac after this is all over.

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That_Dude

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1 hour ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

Enjoy the champagne!!

Nothing wrong with people supporting trump, it's a choice for a reason and he's obviously done some good things for the country. His main issue is his brashness IMO, and inability to accept losses potentially with this one, I don't think Biden is a good candidate but as many have said they are settling for him. 

Thank you.

 

I have a lot of some understanding for people voting for him in 2016. Truly. However I will never wrap my head around the fact that anyone would vote for him in 2020. It might be the fact that I'm judging it from a european point of view, but imo one can take the measure of a leader in times of hardship. That's where you know if somebody's fit to rule or not. He showed a blatant disregard for the life of his countrymen, he has willfully and unscrupulously used Covid for his own political agenda, opposed, undermined science and deliberately pitted his fellow Americans against each other to stay in power. That's only speaking for the last eight months, on a national level.

 

He never loved his country or its people and is still willing to burn it down rather than admit defeat. Voting for him in exchange of tax cuts, which mostly profited to the big fish, and a temporary financial gain for which the next generations will pay, is like selling your soul to the devil figuratively speaking. It's foolish, selfish, incredibly short-sighted and will never sit well with me. Never.

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2 hours ago, twister said:

your very very niave mate about how ****ing easy it is to **** around for postal voting

It's NOT easy to precisely manufacture hundreds of thousands of votes in exact yet fluid margins and not get caught.

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My fully conceived take about the election, which I have been mulling over most of the day (a portion of which I wrote out earlier in the thread):


The Democratic Party, frankly, is too stupid to 'steal' a national election and get away with it - particularly when it was obvious (so obvious that even I predicted it) what the Republican strategy would be in this election. In addition, if they were really so smart as to be able to predict where and how to precisely sway the election, wouldn't they have at least won themselves the Senate or staved off seat losses in the House? Having the Executive Branch when you have a divided Legislative Branch doesn't do you a whole lot of good. **By any objective standard, this election was largely a massive failure for the Democratic Party establishment!**

The Republicans were always going to take it to the courts, cast doubt on the veracity of mail-in or absentee ballots (but only in states where they're in danger of losing - says a lot that they went immediately to PA as things got tighter there, for example) and try and muddy the waters as much as possible, even if legitimate votes were cast out in the process. Trump telling the entire party NOT to cast mail-in or absentee ballots was only so he could later moan about them being overwhelmingly Democratic and raise the spectre of the Democrats 'stealing the election'.

In addition, he's the most powerful man in the world, and he's been claiming but offering zero proof for literally months (and when he thought he would lose in 2016, he said the same thing) that the election would be rigged against him. He has all of the tools of the national Republican Party, the Federal Government, and three years of time to ensure that no chicanery or funny business could take place. Either he couldn't even do that adequately, thus making him a failure - or he's just a liar and a loser whose throwing a temper-tantrum and trying to incite his base.

I'd like to believe that the Democrats were at least smart enough to realize that they couldn't continue to make any superfluous claims to moral superiority - and would absolutely self-own themselves - if they tried and were caught. Therefore, it's my belief that neither they nor the Republicans on a state or national level tried in any coordinated, concerted, or intentional way to cast impermissible ballots.

Audit the whole election, in every swing state, and I'm confident the results will be essentially the same. It’s completely welcomed by me. It's telling that in every case that I am aware of, the Republican legal 'challenges' thus mounted have not been based on accusations of impropriety or have all been immediately thrown out due to lack of merit.
Biden is going to be the POTUS come January 2021, and I believe that what we're all witnessing is the same disbelief that Clinton's supporters had to reckon with in 2016.

At this point it's simply about planting doubt into the minds of his base, which in turn will fester and grow into something monstrous and profane down the road. Make no mistake about it, we're headed towards disunion in my lifetime as long as we put off necessary and transparent election *AND ECONOMIC* reforms - including the Electoral College - and restore collective belief in the importance of democratic principles. I fully believe that a large portion of this nation would gladly accept blatant oligarchy or even autocracy as long as their preferred religious or social beliefs were reflected by the people or person in power.

(Side note: Without the inanities of the Electoral College system as presently constructed, there wouldn't even be the same opportunities for claims of fraudulence - because smatterings of votes here or there wouldn't be enough to sway a national election, and any attempt large enough to actually affect the outcome would require coordination and scale that would make it exponentially more likely to be caught.)

Maybe I should be relieved that Trump will no longer hold executive power, but if anything I feel sick to my stomach because I believe his malignancy - and to be clear, he didn't create the conditions or beliefs that made him attractive, he just preyed on those inclined to believe him - will persist like a reoccurring, sometimes dormant cancer in the American electorate long after he's in the ground.
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There are arguments for and against first past the post when it come to electing representatives in a parliament, but it surely makes no sense at all for a binary choice of a single individual as president.

 

The US system may have made some historic sense at the time it was adopted, but in the modern context, what on earth is wrong with one person one vote?

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